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Just looking for some opinions or first hand knowledge here. I have a Panasonic TC-P58V10 from 2009. I love plasma but it's black levels don't wow me anymore and I'm thinking about upgrading. Specifically I'm looking at the Samsung UN65F8000. I'm just wondering, is a newer top tier led TV going to be any better than what I have now in terms of picture quality? Thanks in advance.
 

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Just looking for some opinions or first hand knowledge here. I have a Panasonic TC-P58V10 from 2009. I love plasma but it's black levels don't wow me anymore and I'm thinking about upgrading. Specifically I'm looking at the Samsung UN65F8000. I'm just wondering, is a newer top tier led TV going to be any better than what I have now in terms of picture quality? Thanks in advance.
Only in a bright room. Otherwise stick with your plasma and wait for oled to become more affordable, otherwise if you want to buy now look into another panasonic plasma (in many palces they are sold out, but not in all ie: where I live) or a samsung plasma.
 

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@ TahoeDust, I find good deals on the un65f8000 quite often, however never the pn648500. I feel like the price isn't going to go down at all because samsung announced it's no longer making plasmas. I wanted to keep my budget @ 2k....which I've seen the un65f8000 for.
@FilmReverie, Thanks for the info. I'll keep looking for plasma deals but they seem few and far between these days.
 

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I doubt you would be happy apart from the size. I watched Gravity on my plasma and then viewed it on someone's 4k curved H9000. The 4k might as well have been a Westinghouse. There was absolutely no ability to produce good blacks. Terrible motion blur. Only non-space scenes look good.

If you do not care about movies or motion, and casually watch TV, then yeah go for it. However, I'd buy a 60" F8500 if I were you even if only 2" larger. It goes blacker, and brighter (i think).
 

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I doubt you would be happy apart from the size. I watched Gravity on my plasma and then viewed it on someone's 4k curved H9000. The 4k might as well have been a Westinghouse. There was absolutely no ability to produce good blacks. Terrible motion blur. Only non-space scenes look good.

If you do not care about movies or motion, and casually watch TV, then yeah go for it. However, I'd buy a 60" F8500 if I were you even if only 2" larger. It goes blacker, and brighter (i think).
Thanks. I think i'll just hold out for OLED to become affordable...hopefully my plasma lasts long enough. Sounds like lcd tv's still suck...I was hoping there were improvements in the last 5 years.
 

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F8000 is better than your 2009 plasma in every way . Lcd has improved a lot and the F8000 is an excellent set . Get an F5300 as a budget improvement or an F8500 if you want to stick with plasma , PNF8500 is better than the UNF8000 , F5300 will run it close at a much lower price.H5000 is also an option .
 

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Just looking for some opinions or first hand knowledge here. I have a Panasonic TC-P58V10 from 2009. I love plasma but it's black levels don't wow me anymore and I'm thinking about upgrading. Specifically I'm looking at the Samsung UN65F8000. I'm just wondering, is a newer top tier led TV going to be any better than what I have now in terms of picture quality? Thanks in advance.
I just had a first hand experience with this. Replaced my 2009 Samsung Plasma PN50A550 with a Vizio M652-B2 yesterday. After calibrating, I was surprised how blacks looked better on the Vizio than my Samsung. It went against my own logic but there there was no denying the difference. Note: I have not seen the TV yet under bright conditions so my view on this may change. I was hesitant with the purchase but glad I went through with it.
 

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I just had a first hand experience with this. Replaced my 2009 Samsung Plasma PN50A550 with a Vizio M652-B2 yesterday. After calibrating, I was surprised how blacks looked better on the Vizio than my Samsung. It went against my own logic but there there was no denying the difference. Note: I have not seen the TV yet under bright conditions so my view on this may change. I was hesitant with the purchase but glad I went through with it.
Interesting, now I'm on the fence again!! Let me know if your opinion of the vizio changes.
 

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These middle of the road plasmas from 2009 have most certainly been eclipsed by FALD sets of recent years when referring specifically to black levels.
 

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These middle of the road plasmas from 2009 have most certainly been eclipsed by FALD sets of recent years when referring specifically to black levels.
What about my panasonic? I think it was high end at the time...but there was also the diminishing black levels fiasco for that particular set.
 

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I doubt you would be happy apart from the size. I watched Gravity on my plasma and then viewed it on someone's 4k curved H9000. The 4k might as well have been a Westinghouse. There was absolutely no ability to produce good blacks. Terrible motion blur. Only non-space scenes look good.

If you do not care about movies or motion, and casually watch TV, then yeah go for it. However, I'd buy a 60" F8500 if I were you even if only 2" larger. It goes blacker, and brighter (i think).
i thought the h9000 looked very nice yesterday. Now, it was at bestbuy in a bright setting but the picture looked awesome
I dont doubt what you are saying though, as I havent seen it in a black room
the 78' is a big selling point to me, but even a this point, the price is too high
4k oleds are going to cost a ton o $$$$$
 

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Thanks. I think i'll just hold out for OLED to become affordable...hopefully my plasma lasts long enough. Sounds like lcd tv's still suck...I was hoping there were improvements in the last 5 years.
the 4k H9000 is a curved LED. I don't think 4k or curves are anything but gimmick below the 70" TV size.

On a showroom floor, especially the new samsung display with two 65" and one 78" curve it keeps looping bright outdoor pictures. If your BBY has a Magnolia, the 65" curve should also be on display showing some other content that Magnolia sales folk can control. Ask to see something dark... Tron Legacy, Batman movie, Gravity and see what you think of the TV after that.

There's a flat 75" Samsung 4k showing Transformers trailer off at my local store. The motion is subpar.

My original suggestion was to get the top Samsung plasma, the F8500 in 60" if you are looking for a picture quality improvement. If you get bored of that in 5+ years lets hope that FALD or OLED are more commonplace and affordable. Just my $.02
 

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I had a Samsung 50B850 plasma. Same vintage as your V10. I donated the old plasma within the family and am still surprised by the quality of the picture.
I had a 2013 Series 5 sammy plasma for a brief time and currently own a 60F8500 plasma and 50F8000 led.
My thoughts:
  • Beware of reflections from the screen on the series 5 plasmas. I couldn't deal with them compared to the 2009 Series 8.
  • Beware of narrow viewing angles on the F8000 led. This is my 1st led and I was surprised how quickly the image washes out as you move to the side. I have no issues with motion blur btw. The picture is great with real 'pop' depending on the source.
  • The F8500 is a gem :) If I were you, I'd hang on to your V10 while looking for a deal on an F8500

As far as black levels go, I have my F8000 with a backlight of 8 (out of 20) and they are OK, but not comparable to the F8500. Obviously I can't compare to your V10, but as you say the black levels have gotten worse over time :(

Good luck!
 

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What about my panasonic? I think it was high end at the time...but there was also the diminishing black levels fiasco for that particular set.
Just a heads up, there's a workaround that's being developed for the rising black panasonics. I have a G10 and am awaiting the product to come out for purchase. You can also build one yourself. It resets the hours on the tv so it reverts to the original black levels. I think you would have to reset it every so often. Here's the last page of the thread, you may want to go back further to get more info on it's release, there's info on how to make your own in there too.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...els-have-seemingly-doubled-overnight-374.html
 

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I had a Samsung 50B850 plasma. Same vintage as your V10. I donated the old plasma within the family and am still surprised by the quality of the picture.
I had a 2013 Series 5 sammy plasma for a brief time and currently own a 60F8500 plasma and 50F8000 led.
My thoughts:
  • Beware of reflections from the screen on the series 5 plasmas. I couldn't deal with them compared to the 2009 Series 8.
  • Beware of narrow viewing angles on the F8000 led. This is my 1st led and I was surprised how quickly the image washes out as you move to the side. I have no issues with motion blur btw. The picture is great with real 'pop' depending on the source.
  • The F8500 is a gem :) If I were you, I'd hang on to your V10 while looking for a deal on an F8500

As far as black levels go, I have my F8000 with a backlight of 8 (out of 20) and they are OK, but not comparable to the F8500. Obviously I can't compare to your V10, but as you say the black levels have gotten worse over time :(

Good luck!
Just curious, how does your old samsung 50B850 compare to the new f8000 led? Thanks for all the info!
 

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Just a heads up, there's a workaround that's being developed for the rising black panasonics. I have a G10 and am awaiting the product to come out for purchase. You can also build one yourself. It resets the hours on the tv so it reverts to the original black levels. I think you would have to reset it every so often. Here's the last page of the thread, you may want to go back further to get more info on it's release, there's info on how to make your own in there too.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...els-have-seemingly-doubled-overnight-374.html
Sweet, thanks I'll check this out tonight!
 

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@ TahoeDust, I find good deals on the un65f8000 quite often, however never the pn648500. I feel like the price isn't going to go down at all because samsung announced it's no longer making plasmas. I wanted to keep my budget @ 2k....which I've seen the un65f8000 for.
@FilmReverie, Thanks for the info. I'll keep looking for plasma deals but they seem few and far between these days.
there's a reason the f8000 goes on sale while the f8500 does not.


the f8500 really is a MUCH better tv imo. better blacks, nearly the same brightness, I'd say better screen filter, better viewing angle. the only real downside is the potentially higher price, and some of the 'issues' that come with plasma(all totally worth it imo).


the f8000 may still be a 'upgrade' in some ways to your 2009 panny, but I just wouldn't recommend it if you're planning to do any movie viewing in a dim or dark room. I still have a lot of issues with the clouding on these edgelit models, even with the dimming. and if you're going to go with LCD, there's some possibly better options from sony, and possibly better values from vizio that are worth comparing at least. basically, I don't see any reason to 'rush' into an LCD right now, in fact, I'd say it's the time to wait and see how the 2014 models settle in and try to find that diamond in the rough. the only reason I'd buy a tv right now, is if it were to get one of the Samsung plasmas while you still can.
 
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I just had a first hand experience with this. Replaced my 2009 Samsung Plasma PN50A550 with a Vizio M652-B2 yesterday. After calibrating, I was surprised how blacks looked better on the Vizio than my Samsung. It went against my own logic but there there was no denying the difference. Note: I have not seen the TV yet under bright conditions so my view on this may change. I was hesitant with the purchase but glad I went through with it.
in all fairness though, if your a550 was anything like my b530, the blacks on that plasma were terrible anyway. I've had several lcds(even cheap ones like a dynex) that produced as good or better blacks than my b530 plasma. I was actually super pissed I even bought that tv. I was told if I wanted deep blacks I had to go plasma, I wasn't told that I had to go premium plasma :p


I just can't imagine the v10 having as poor a black level as the entry level Samsung of the same year. that'd be kind of like the f5300 having the same PQ as the ZT60, and actually, that's probably way closer to being true since Samsung really seems to have stepped it up on black levels in 2013. a better comparison might be the E550 vs VT50
 
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