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The 2010 Winter Olympics, officially the XXI Olympic Winter Games or the 21st Winter Olympics, will be a major international multi-sport event held on February 12-28, 2010, in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, with some events held in the resort town of Whistler, British Columbia and in the Vancouver suburb of Richmond.


The 2010 Winter Olympics will be the third Olympics hosted by Canada, and the first by the province of British Columbia. Previously, Canada was home to the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal, Quebec and the 1988 Winter Olympics in Calgary, Alberta.


Vancouver 2010 will be broadcast worldwide by a number of television broadcasters. As rights for the 2010 games have been packaged with those for the 2012 Summer Olympics, broadcasters will be largely identical for both events.


The host broadcaster will be Olympic Broadcasting Services Vancouver, a subsidiary of the IOC's new in-house broadcasting unit Olympic Broadcasting Services. The 2010 Olympics marks the first games where the host broadcasting facilities will be provided solely by OBS.
 

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While NBC continues to be official broadcaster in the U.S, there has been a change in Canada -- at least for the next two Olympics. For American viewers living near the border, please note you need to find a new station, CTV, not CBC. Over-the-air CTV, like CBC, will be live in all time zones and offering live events even during daytime.

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.c...article/948374

CTV tackles Vancouver Olympic Games coverage

THE CANADIAN PRESS


TORONTO - It’s been more than 15 years since CTV held the broadcast rights for the Winter Olympics, and for those who remember the network’s last foray into the Games, perhaps some skepticism is to be expected.


After all, it was under CTV’s watch in Lillehammer, Norway that the opening ceremonies were tape-delayed instead of live, that an analyst mistakenly cast doubt on the validity of Canada’s goldmedal biathlon race, and that on-air personalities such as Rod Black and Valerie Pringle caught heat for being either too intrusive or too perky.


Still, critics note it was a step up from CTV’s coverage of the ’92 Summer Games in Barcelona, which was “pretty much a mess all around,”as retired sports media columnist Bill Houston recalls.


The shadow cast by CBC’s long-held title as Canada’s Olympic broadcaster proved a difficult one to escape for the private network, says Houston, but that’s not to say things won’t be different when CTV leads a consortium of media companies into the Vancouver Games.


“To be fair to CTV, CBC had had it for a long period of time and suddenly they (had) it and maybe some of the critics such as myself were overly harshly critical of them,” says Houston, a former Globe and Mail columnist who now runs the sports and media blog,“truthandrumours.net.”


“That’s a long time ago and things change so quickly in television. It’s really unfair to even think about what CTV’s going to do this time an think, ‘Well, you know they screwed up 20 years ago so they’ll probably do it again.’ ... In fact, many of the people running CTV now were former CBC people who were involved in CBC’s coverage.”


Chief among them is veteran broadcaster Brian Williams, who spent some 30 years as CBC’s marquee Olympic anchor before leaving in 2006 so he could host the Games when CTV and Rogers secured exclusive broadcast rights.


And for the first time, CTV says fans of even the most obscure Olympic winter sport will get a chance to see their event live via an alliance of 12 media outlets – among them CTV, TSN, Rogers Sportsnet, OLN, APTN, MTV and Much-Music.


“We’ve really made the determination to have the highest possible standards of quality, not just from a high definition standpoint but also from the shooting, the editing and the packaging that we’ve done,” says CTV president Rick Brace, noting the consortium expects to air nearly 5,000 hours of coverage in 22 languages.


“We’ve kind of pulled out all stops to make sure it happens. Sure, we’ve got to make sure that we meet the challenge, we’re determined to do so, but we think it’s absolutely doable.”


So much of the media landscape has changed since CTV last had the Games, with audiences even more demanding than ever, Houston notes.


He commended the consortium’s ambitious plans, but notes that such scale is required programming for today’s viewers and their voracious appetite for ondemand entertainment.


“Everything’s changed, the whole digital world has changed everything,” Houston says. “There would be criticism if they weren’t giving us everything.”


This time around, viewers can expect to see a few technical advances in the way some events are presented. New gadgets include so-called “helmet cams,” designed to grab unique perspectives on ski cross and snowboard cross, and “DartFish” technology, which captures ghost images of select performances in alpine, bobsled, skeleton and luge for comparison.


In hockey, a hydraulic lift system will bring analysts out over the ice before and after the game and during intermissions, making it seem as if they are floating over the arena.
 

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All of NBC's network programming will be shown on three-hour tape delay in the Pacific Time Zone (again). This is totally unacceptable. A third-rate decision made by a third-rate network.
 

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I'm glad I have the option of watching live in a third world country TV station and in HD
 

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All of NBC's network programming will be shown on three-hour tape delay in the Pacific Time Zone (again). This is totally unacceptable. A third-rate decision made by a third-rate network.

Not defending NBC here, but CBS did a West coast delay when they had the Olympics in the 90's (including for some events that were live to the East coast) and ABC did the same thing on their last Olympics in Calgary in 1988. Again, not saying that makes it right, but everyone needs to get rid of the notion that NBC is the only network that would or has ever done this.
 

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Not defending NBC here, but CBS did a West coast delay when they had the Olympics in the 90's (including for some events that were live to the East coast) and ABC did the same thing on their last Olympics in Calgary in 1988. Again, not saying that makes it right, but everyone needs to get rid of the notion that NBC is the only network that would or has ever done this.

The difference is now compared to the late 80's early 90's, the internet makes finding out the outcome of events way too easy even when you don't try to.
 

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The difference is now compared to the late 80's early 90's, the internet makes finding out the outcome of events way too easy even when you don't try to.

...and it also makes it pretty easy to actually watch the event, too. Restricting your product only prompts people to seek alternatives to it.
 

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The difference is now compared to the late 80's early 90's, the internet makes finding out the outcome of events way too easy even when you don't try to.

A friend of mine reminded me of this yesterday.. remember back in the 90's when CBS would do their "if you don't want to know the results, don't look at your TV until the music stops playing" deal? Obviously they weren't concerned that knowing the results would mean you wouldn't watch the coverage in primetime. I was also reminded of CBS's first Sunday morning of coverage from Lillehammer. They come on air at 9am and 1 of the first things Charles Kuralt tells the audience is that Tommy Moe had won the men's downhill, an event that wouldn't be airing for another 12 hours.


It's 1 of the biggest misconceptions that people won't watch an Olympic event if they found out the result before it airs. mike, you're absolutely right that it's easy to accidentally stumble into an event result even if you're not trying to. But when that happens, most of those people will still watch that event when it airs.

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...and it also makes it pretty easy to actually watch the event, too. Restricting your product only prompts people to seek alternatives to it.

Again, a misconception. Certain people out there will probably head to Youtube or whereever they can think of to find video clips. But that's a small audience, especially when people have 50-inch plasma displays that make watching Internet video (which, yes, is improving rapidly) seem like a bad alternative.


Like everyone, I've seen people post about how NBC should show the Olympics live and that in this day and age, they're being irresponsible for not doing so. Absolutely not true. The networks covering the Olympics in the USA aren't going to get large audiences to gather in front of their TVs by not saving their best material for primetime. Again, the number of people seeking alternatives to taped Olympic programming is minimal, especially when it's often not worth the trouble to find them.
 

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Again, a misconception. Certain people out there will probably head to Youtube or whereever they can think of to find video clips. But that's a small audience, especially when people have 50-inch plasma displays that make watching Internet video (which, yes, is improving rapidly) seem like a bad alternative.


Like everyone, I've seen people post about how NBC should show the Olympics live and that in this day and age, they're being irresponsible for not doing so. Absolutely not true. The networks covering the Olympics in the USA aren't going to get large audiences to gather in front of their TVs by not saving their best material for primetime. Again, the number of people seeking alternatives to taped Olympic programming is minimal, especially when it's often not worth the trouble to find them.

More and more, the alternatives are getting easier - and higher quality. For example, being in the North, I'll bet I might just be able to get coverage sent right to me live in HD with only the bother of putting my antenna back up.


Other methods are not as hard as they used to be.
 

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More and more, the alternatives are getting easier - and higher quality. For example, being in the North, I'll bet I might just be able to get coverage sent right to me live in HD with only the bother of putting my antenna back up.


Other methods are not as hard as they used to be.

Not at all, just Google "Olympics torrents" just after the Games start and you'll find hundreds of links to video captures, many of high quality 720p x.264 HD . If you want live streaming from the Canadian feeds you can spend about 10 Euros for an unlimited 4Mbit/s VPN connection that allows the use of a Canadian IP address. Took me less than a minute to find the VPN site.
 

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My whole problem is that for the most part major sporting events in the US are live broadcasts. Now with the Olympics supposedly being a major sporting event, it should be live as expected in the US.


I would have no problems with NBC showing tape delayed fair on NBC, but showing the events live on their other channels. I much rather watch sports live than tape delayed. The only sport I can watch tape delayed is bowling, and that is just because it is my favorite sport.


On the rare occasion I dvr a NASCAR race due to bowling, I find it very difficult not to hop on the internet to find out the results, thus deleting the recording.


If the CBC still were showing the Olympics, I would probably watch much more CBC than NBC. Other than them showing things live, they also don't show endless hours of back story for athletes. I just want to watch the events. I don't even need to see the metal ceremony. Just not my thing.


Basically I want to see the events live. Tape delayed was a little easier to watch before the internet blossomed, thus it was easier to put up with, now not so much.


I am sure the majority of the US just take what NBC does as the status quo, but there is a better way. Hopefully one day the Olympics will be broadcast better in the US.


I myself might grab a torrent or two during the Olympics especially for the skiing events, which will be tape delayed and we will only see the US skiers and a couple international skiers. It is the information age, and NBC should adapt or risk losing viewers.
 

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Yeah, Mexican TV stations don't show the 30 minute life of the athlete segment, they show another event instead... if I want to know something about an athlete I just search on the internet for it..
 

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In 1980, Miracle On Ice (USA Hockey vs USSR) was delayed 3 hours by ABC on the U.S. East Coast (6 hours out west). If there's an event like this in Vancouver, NBC will probably not delay it.


Americans living near the border (east west or anywhere in between), try to find a CTV station near you if you want more live events.
 

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My whole problem is that for the most part major sporting events in the US are live broadcasts. Now with the Olympics supposedly being a major sporting event, it should be live as expected in the US.

well, a few points...


1) the olympics are really presented as "entertainment"... not really sports...


2) advertising dollars...


3) it's easy to say we'd like it live, but if a major event is being held at 11 am on a tuesday, it's not like there's going to be a huge audience at home watching it... i'd rather have it tape delayed than not see it at all... saturday/sunday events are "different"... there's more of a case for broadcasting everything live on those days....


i understand the desire to see stuff live (although i dvr all the nascar races and watch them later so that i can ff through commercials and yellows)... but i think there's pretty sound rationale to tape delaying...
 

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Certain people out there will probably head to Youtube or whereever they can think of to find video clips. But that's a small audience, especially when people have 50-inch plasma displays that make watching Internet video (which, yes, is improving rapidly) seem like a bad alternative.

Yes, you can get 1080p videos on YouTube now. They are still limited to something like 10 minutes, and they've not live. By the time the network (like CTV who is partnering with YouTube) puts it out on the web, NBC would probably have aired it. Vancouver is not Beijing or Sydney, it has a schedule which is very North American TV-friendly. Figure Skating and Snowboarding events will be in prime-time east coast. Sorry west coast U.S you're still delayed 3 hours.
 

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well, a few points...


1) the olympics are really presented as "entertainment"... not really sports...


2) advertising dollars...


3) it's easy to say we'd like it live, but if a major event is being held at 11 am on a tuesday, it's not like there's going to be a huge audience at home watching it... i'd rather have it tape delayed than not see it at all... saturday/sunday events are "different"... there's more of a case for broadcasting everything live on those days....


i understand the desire to see stuff live (although i dvr all the nascar races and watch them later so that i can ff through commercials and yellows)... but i think there's pretty sound rationale to tape delaying...

If they Olympics were really sports "entertainment" then it would be scripted like the WWE.


NBC is doing a pathetic job in the advertising dollars if they are going to lose $250 million in the deal or so.


If people can't watch something in the afternoon, then that is where a split tape delayed for prime time on NBC with the event also being shown on another network during the day. If NBC truly cared about the viewers than the bottom line they would do something like that.


The events I care to watch will for the most part be live, I am looking forward to hockey, curling, and then the down hill skiing.
 

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note i said "presented"... the perfect example of this is that we will be beaten over the head with women's figure skaters on a nightly basis, regardless of whether or not they are actually skating that day...



as far as "caring about the viewers rather than the bottom line"... last time i checked, nbc was a business...
 

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Why the hell would NBC tape delay for the west coast??? The OLYMPICS are being hosted in the PACIFIC TIME ZONE.


NBC is a bunch of losers, keep Leno, can Conan and screw with the Olympics.
 
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