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You are definitely one of the lucky ones!!

I still have some time to figure it out and will probably wait till after CES to make my final decision, just to see what's announced. I do know that I will not consider antyhing less than 80" for my living room. Even if I had to live with motion blur, i won't go down to a smaller screen. I could potentially spend as much as $1500 more, but that's my upper limit.. i'd prefer to keep within $500 of the Q6 I bought however.

And so, I'm thinking long and hard about the Sony XBR85X850. Unlike the smaller screen sizes, the 85" in that line has a Full Array VA Panel (same as the X900F but without the dimming feature) Also it has the X1 processoer, but not the X1 extreme, and thus input lag and motion may not be quite as nice as the X900F. But it's literally $1,000 less... and since I'm coming from a Q6 which is Samsung's "Budget" QLED, makes sense that the equivalent Sony would be the 850F. All the reviews are pretty bad, but they reviewed the smaller versions that had IPS panels so hopefully I can find more info to make a decision.

Again, I'm thrilled to death at my Q6 in terms of color, brightness, minimal DSE, minimal lighting issues (Blooming/Clouding). I'm just not wanting all the motion blur (ghosting/Trails,Smear, etc). SO maybe the X850 is my answer without breaking the bank.

Anyone know anything about the 85" version of that set?

Have those of you with motion blur issues on the 82Q6FN tried the new firmware yet? I haven't installed it yet but according to Joelster on Youtube, he feels that it has improved the motion.
 

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Have those of you with motion blur issues on the 82Q6FN tried the new firmware yet? I haven't installed it yet but according to Joelster on Youtube, he feels that it has improved the motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaG2E1Hxl0c
Yes I have tried it with the new firmware (did a manual update since automatic update was showing it as the latest). It made no difference at all to the ghosting unfortunately.
 

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Yes I have tried it with the new firmware (did a manual update since automatic update was showing it as the latest). It made no difference at all to the ghosting unfortunately.
Just did the update as well, and it doesn't affect the Youtube motion blur test for me. However I'm not bothered by the motion in real content.
 

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Does anyone have some settings, other than Rtings, that they really like for the 82"? I'm currently using Rtings general settings and 2 and 20 pt white balance settings, not color space though. Just don't look as good as I was hoping when comparing color to my 65" B6 OLED.
 

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I recently purchased 82" Q6FN. FA01 panel. I am seeing ghosting on the moving dot video and when watching Simon animation.
I don't see it in real content. I tested it by watching hockey, football, soccer and Blu-Ray soccer DVD - ghosting was not there.
Earth YouTube video is also ghosting free.

I was also considering Sony XBR85X850. In fact, I purchased it. But the delivery was cancelled one day before the scheduled date. I was told the box got damaged in shipment and they wouldn't deliver the damaged product. It was the last TV in stock and the Sony discount ended the next day. This is how I ended up with Q6:)

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For anyone interested, I found a home theater store that had an 82" Q6 and Q8 side by side. The store was pretty empty and the sales guy let me do what I wanted.. so I streamed videos and tests
on both sets at the same time for a true comparison, making sure all the settings were equal.

The main thing I wanted to know was whether the Q8 suffered from the same motion blur I was having on my Q6. What I found was that the Q8 does have motion blur, but it's not nearly as bad as on the Q6. The motion trails were definitely harder to see and I'd say in my opinion was about 50% less noticeable than on the Q6, but still definitely visible on the motion blur dot test, and a hockey game streamed on Youtube.

Other observations - The Q8 screen has more of a glossy black finish to eliminate glare. This has the effect of making the blacks look more "inky" like OLED, so combined with the better local dimming and FALD, it's got better contrast. Not OLED levels but closer. However I would say one side effect of the screen finish is that the overall brightness is reduced. Compared to the Q6 next to it, the Q8 just wasn't as bright.

Color volume was slightly better on the Q8... colors were more rich/vivid. It was noticeable but very slight improvement. You're probably not missing much with the Q6 unless you happen to have a Q8 next to it.

DSE was a little bit more pronounced on the Q8 than on the Q6 next to it and also mine at home. I realize this is hit or miss with the panel lottery, but this is also confirmed by Rtings so beware you may likely have a set with more DSE if choosing a Q8 over Q6.

So I haven't decided yet if what I saw was worth a $1500 price difference from the Q6. Yes, the trails are annoying but that's also very situational and most obvious when watching motion against against a white background which I don't typically spend alot of time doing. I wonder if i'd be better off pocketing the $1500 and using it a couple years down the road for my next upgrade.
I think I need to reconsider the X900F as well.
I also spent some time at a store and had them pull up brand new TVs so that I could perform the motion dot trail test as well as a clip of a hockey game. I tried
the following brand-new out of the box TVs:
82" NU8000
82" Q6FN
82" Q8FN
75" Q6FN
75" Q8FN

All 3 of the 82" TVs had absolutely terrible ghosting just as bad as my 82" Q6FN at home. None of the 75" TVs that I tested had the issue, so my theory was correct. It seems all of the 82" TVs are bad with respect to motion and I would not advise anyone to purchase that size.
I will most probably be moving down to a 75" myself and have made my intentions clear to the store owner.
I wanted to personally thank you guys for going all out and doing the footwork and manual convincing, coaxing, and setting to compare all of these and get a physical comparison going. I'm sure you've convinced many (and hopefully any influential employee or exec) about the issue and (at least some of) the circumstances surrounding how widespread the issue is. You really did above and beyond, and to post your results here -- when you could have kept them to yourselves -- goes above as well. So, you have (at least) my thanks, again.





OK, at least the Q8 is a little better (in the case you tested). AngryJedi stated they were all bad, including the Q8 he checked.

The Q8FN and Q7FN both have better screen coating
than the Q6FN. I have to say, after owning the Q6FN, the main thing you see is how much less the Q7FN reflects light from the room. With the Q6FN I often had to dimm the lights or close the blinds because it was almost like looking in a mirror. The Q7FN seems to swallow or absorb the reflections allot better which makes it easier to watch TV in a bright room or during daytime. Also, as you mentioned, the black levels seem a little deeper due to the very good coating.

You will get more DSE with the Q8 due to it's full array backlight system. I had a Sony with full array and the DSE was terrible.
The blacks may be better, but you get other issues like DSE unfortunately. I was very impressed with the uniformity on my KS9000 and it's also great on the new Q7F. Almost no DSE and only very little banding if tested with a moving test-screen. This is why I moved away from FALD. A well built Edge-Lit TV will always offer a much better uniformity in comparison to FALD. The blacks are also VERY good on the edge-lit so I decided not to go for the Q8. DSE is quite distracting.

Technically speaking, the Q6FN should reach a max. peak of 1000nits, the Q7FN 1500nits and the Q8 2000nits.
I was surprised how bright the 82" Q6FN got to be honest. I thought it would never reach the brightness needed. But it did very well.
Yes, the Q7FN is a little brighter and my friends Q8 is even brighter with it's 2000nits and deep black levels due to FALD.

In the end,
I think all of these TV's reach incredible bright levels. And unless you are watching HDR content, you'll find yourself using the automatic dimming option allot. It is blinding in a dark room on all of these sets.
And I wanted to say thanks for this post as well. It was illuminating (bad pun intended) to say the least and as well...
 

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For those of you on the fence with the 82” purchase, I happen to be one of the lucky ones that got a decent panel. Yes, I do see some ghosting on the motion blur test. However, I have yet to see any ghosting in any real viewing scenarios. (You can also see the videos I uploaded in a previous post). At first I was worried about all these issues that have been mentioned, but I actually really love this TV now after a few weeks in. The only thing that bothers me is the impact of the edge lit display in dark scenes where a light/white source may come in. The whole screen brightens up a tad, but thats somewhat expected with a panel like this. But it really doesn’t bother me, and I came from a 55” LG OLED...

Also consider that most of the folks on this thread are here because they are having issues. That’s why I stumbled on this thread (had some issues with local dimming that were resolved once setting it to low). I guess what I’m trying to say is if it seems like half the folks on this thread seem to be reporting issues it’s unlikely that 50% of panels actually have the issue. Yes, still a gamble it seems, but I would just take that into account when purchasing and try to purchase from a vendor that makes it easy to return or exchange.
 

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For those of you on the fence with the 82” purchase, I happen to be one of the lucky ones that got a decent panel. Yes, I do see some ghosting on the motion blur test. However, I have yet to see any ghosting in any real viewing scenarios. (You can also see the videos I uploaded in a previous post). At first I was worried about all these issues that have been mentioned, but I actually really love this TV now after a few weeks in. The only thing that bothers me is the impact of the edge lit display in dark scenes where a light/white source may come in. The whole screen brightens up a tad, but thats somewhat expected with a panel like this. But it really doesn’t bother me, and I came from a 55” LG OLED...

Also consider that most of the folks on this thread are here because they are having issues. That’s why I stumbled on this thread (had some issues with local dimming that were resolved once setting it to low). I guess what I’m trying to say is if it seems like half the folks on this thread seem to be reporting issues it’s unlikely that 50% of panels actually have the issue. Yes, still a gamble it seems, but I would just take that into account when purchasing and try to purchase from a vendor that makes it easy to return or exchange.
I'm glad you don't have issues and I'm very jelly about it Have you watched any animation on your set yet? That's where it's REALLY bad.. i tied watching Disenchanted on Netflix last night, and i literally had top stop in the first 5 minutes it was so bad.

I'm so frustrated, had I known I would have kept my MU8000 which didn't have this issue. Now I'm stuck.. the only other real choice is Sony and losing color depth and brightness is a huge hit to PQ and the blooming complaints coning from the owners of that set is an issue.
 

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Not really seeing issues in Disenchantment. Here’s a video. It’s noticeable, but had to really look for it. I watched a lot of other scenes too; didn’t notice significant ghosting but it’s there. Is yours worse than this?

https://youtu.be/qJrOp0r7-24


For those of you on the fence with the 82” purchase, I happen to be one of the lucky ones that got a decent panel. Yes, I do see some ghosting on the motion blur test. However, I have yet to see any ghosting in any real viewing scenarios. (You can also see the videos I uploaded in a previous post). At first I was worried about all these issues that have been mentioned, but I actually really love this TV now after a few weeks in. The only thing that bothers me is the impact of the edge lit display in dark scenes where a light/white source may come in. The whole screen brightens up a tad, but thats somewhat expected with a panel like this. But it really doesn’t bother me, and I came from a 55” LG OLED...

Also consider that most of the folks on this thread are here because they are having issues. That’s why I stumbled on this thread (had some issues with local dimming that were resolved once setting it to low). I guess what I’m trying to say is if it seems like half the folks on this thread seem to be reporting issues it’s unlikely that 50% of panels actually have the issue. Yes, still a gamble it seems, but I would just take that into account when purchasing and try to purchase from a vendor that makes it easy to return or exchange.
I'm glad you don't have issues and I'm very jelly about it Have you watched any animation on your set yet? That's where it's REALLY bad.. i tied watching Disenchanted on Netflix last night, and i literally had top stop in the first 5 minutes it was so bad.

I'm so frustrated, had I known I would have kept my MU8000 which didn't have this issue. Now I'm stuck.. the only other real choice is Sony and losing color depth and brightness is a huge hit to PQ and the blooming complaints coning from the owners of that set is an issue.
 

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I'm gonna go to best buy then costco this week and look at the screens to see if the coating is different. Now to figure out what i'm looking for lol.
Hi. Just curious if you ever went to Costco to verify if the Q65FN had the anti reflective coating


I just watched this youtube video comparing the two but most of the features that the the manual said Q6 did not have such as optimized audio, people in the comments confirmed it did


Was wondering the deal with HDR Elite and Ultra Clear, Ultra Black Elite.



My firmware is 1153 from autoupdate and I wonder if it is safe to update using the firmware on the Q6 page , because the Q65 page does not list a firmware upgrade.... if there are differences downloading the wrong firmware might affect the additional features
 

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Still holding out hope that a firmware update can help alleviate the 82" ghosting issue, but not counting on it.

That being said, is anybody else going to hold out for a year or so and then use either their credit card warranty protection or the SquareTrade extended warranty to try and get a 2019 model out this fiasco? It kind of feels like it might be the only option at this point.
 

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This is a newbie question regarding changing picture settings:


If I am in menu, and Movie is selected, then go to expert settings and make adjustments, I am then only changing the setting for when picture mode is Movie, right?



Also, I noticed people who post settings have different settings for SDR and HDR. Where do you enter the 2nd set of settings?
 

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Not really seeing issues in Disenchantment. Here’s a video. It’s noticeable, but had to really look for it. I watched a lot of other scenes too; didn’t notice significant ghosting but it’s there. Is yours worse than this?

https://youtu.be/qJrOp0r7-24
Oh mine is way worse. I'll try to snap a video of it and post it. It's a response time issue with the panel... instead of shutting off the pixels immediately, they are faded out and thus you can see them as the new animation takes effect. It's so bad.

Now I'm thinking maybe I should call Samsung tomorrow and have them send a tech out to confirm things. I honestly don't think an exchange is going to solve the issue based on what I saw of other sets, HOWEVER maybe a panel replacement by Samsung would work?

Here's a theory - what if Samsung had a supply constraint on the 82" panel (or components used to make them)? With the holidays coming, they didn't want to gap out of on supply so maybe they made a decision to source lower spec panels (or panel parts) to meet shipment goals. This would buy them time to stock up on panels and would then allocate some for service spares spares for customers that call in about the issue.
I have no confirmation of this, it's just a theory, but I can totally see it happening.
 

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Still holding out hope that a firmware update can help alleviate the 82" ghosting issue, but not counting on it.

That being said, is anybody else going to hold out for a year or so and then use either their credit card warranty protection or the SquareTrade extended warranty to try and get a 2019 model out this fiasco? It kind of feels like it might be the only option at this point.
Worth considering. Last year I bought an MU8000 in December. It had dead pixel issue that I lived with at that time, but as we got close to the warranty expiration I called Samsung to finally just get it fixed. They ended up replacing the panel. Unfortuantely the new panel had significant flash lighting, and they replaced it with another that had a big clouding/blooming issue. When I called about it, they said they would just offer me a refund vs another panel replacement, and that's how I ended up with the Q6.

Honestly, i'd rather have my MU8000 back with the blooming issue it had vs this Q6 with the ghosting issue. Too bad they already picked it up :(
 

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Hi all, I'm interested in your thoughts on this "issue" I have with my new 82 inch Q65FN bought from Costco a few weeks ago. Generally love the TV but this has been bugging me from day one. I guess it's probably light bleed but it's the blue hue which is particularly annoying as it discolors the whole bottom inch of the screen when displaying a lighter image. I've attached a couple of images of a static light grey screen. One is just native (as taken) and the other has had the saturation increased in Lightroom to better illustrate the blue tint that predominantly appears along the bottom and in the bottom left and right corners. Even my wife noticed it under normal viewing so it's not just my imagination...

It's an FA01 panel and also has exactly the same ghosting issues that others have mentioned too.
 

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Hi all, I'm interested in your thoughts on this "issue" I have with my new 82 inch Q65FN bought from Costco a few weeks ago. Generally love the TV but this has been bugging me from day one. I guess it's probably light bleed but it's the blue hue which is particularly annoying as it discolors the whole bottom inch of the screen when displaying a lighter image. I've attached a couple of images of a static light grey screen. One is just native (as taken) and the other has had the saturation increased in Lightroom to better illustrate the blue tint that predominantly appears along the bottom and in the bottom left and right corners. Even my wife noticed it under normal viewing so it's not just my imagination...

It's an FA01 panel and also has exactly the same ghosting issues that others have mentioned too.
If you can see it under normal viewing and not just the gray background, then I'd say return it. You could also get lucky and find one of these unicorn 82" displays that isn't ghosting as a bonus. If you do that, the real question is what will you do if the new TV has the same ghosting issue but is otherwise free of issues?
 
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