[ChromeJob]

New Thread for the 2023 LG top-tier OLED models, just announced at CES. See SECOND post for FAQs, THIRD for known issues/bugs. NO price talk as per forum policy - please go to "OLED Great Found Deals" sub-forum to discuss street prices, sales, specific retailers, etc. Warranty discussion okay, without price info. Thanks.

• Please restrict discussion to LG's 2023 G3 and C3 models.(Sidebars about the Z3 are okay.)
• Off-topic posts, shilling for your own social media presence, or bickering will be reported without prior warning.*

* "Attack the ideas, not the person."

Selected news and announcements
LG: LG at CES 2023, Ten Years of OLED, LG at CES 2023 full video (YouTube)
FlatpanelsHD: LG unveils 2023 OLED TVs: G3 "up to 70% brighter", HDMI 2.1 QMS
FlatpanelsHD: Early report on webOS 23 changes
Forbes: LG Announces 2023 OLED range, LG G3 OLED First look (OLED65G3)
Forbes: New LG soundbars including SC9S, attaches directly to C2s and C3s
AVCaesar: Updated specs and photos, new Gaming section theme-card (e.g. nVidia GeForceNow) in webOS Home screen
AVSforum: The Amazing New G3 OLED From LG - Best of CES 2023 Award... (G3, Z3, M3)
Value Electronics: G3 prices announced February 13, deliveries commence March 13, C3 prices announced February 27, deliveries commence March 13
FlatpanelsHD: LG Display's 2023 MLA WOLED panel features "Vanta Black" super anti-reflective (AR) coating that should reduce G3 glare 25% over the 2022 C2. Philips, using the same unmodified panel, claims even more glare reduction.
AVSforum: LG Launches US Rollout of Its 2023 OLED TV Lineup
Digital Trends: (28 Feb) Prices on US 4K and 8K TVs announced! 8
FlatPanelsHD: US, UK, and DE prices posted on C3 and G3 pages 3
Pricing info released 28 February

• Digital Trends (US pricing, preordering)
• FlatpanelsHD (US, UK, and EU pricing, preordering)
• Sound and Vision
• Widescreen Review

Highlights:

• MLA (G3, Z3 only?)(55", 65", and 77" G3 models only) 1,2,6 (55", 65", 77") 3
• 2023 MLA WOLED (G3) features improved "Vanta Black" AR coating 3
• HDMI 2.1a QMS-VRR (Quick Media Switching) (found in Settings, General,... HDMI Settings) 1,7
• "Brightness Booster Max" 2
• Enhanced Home screen customization, "Quick Cards," additional user profiles 1,2,3,5,9
• Enhanced Quick Settings (10 items [from 8 in 2022], with most recently used on top)(Accessibility and Network persistent at top) 1,2,10
• AI Picture Wizard (under Settings, Picture) 5
• New "Expression Enhancer" option under Settings, Picture, Advanced, Brightness Online manual
• Multiview now supports two HDMI inputs 2
• ATSC 3 tuner (G3) 3
• WOW Orchestra pairing with LG soundbars 9
• DTS bitstream pass-through to IMAX Enhanced devices 1
• LG SC9S soundbar can attach to C3, or even take the place of its table/desk stand 1
• webOS23
• AI Concierge 1
• Home Dashboard renamed Home Hub; IoT devices renamed ThinQ | Matter devices 5
• Home Hub support for Matter 1,5
• NO Dolby Vision Precision Detail in 2023? 4, 9, Online manual
• ADT integration, emergency calls from remote 5
• 4:4:4 Pass Through mode for PCs (and games?) (HDMI Settings) 2
• Google Assistant button, NFC launch for sharing from mobile removed from Euro Magic Remotes 9
  • Google replaced with Sling on US remote; LG Channels on Euro; NFC still present on US (Value Electronics unboxing)

1. Forbes
2. HDTV Test
3. FlatPanelsHD
4. AVCaesar
5. LG CES 2023 presentation
6. LG press release
7. Value Electronics
8. Digital Trends
9. G3 review, C3 vs. C2 review


Product Info
Product information and pricing is now live! G3, C3

MSRP: 8, 3
88" Z3 (8K) $25000 MSRP
77" Z3 (8K) $10000 MSRP
83" G3 (non-MLA) $6500 MSRP (UK £7500 MSRP)
77" G3 $4500 MSRP (UK £5000 MSRP)
65" G3 $3300 MSRP (UK £3500 MSRP)
55" G3 $2500 MSRP
83" C3 $5300 MSRP
77" C3 $3600 MSRP (UK £4000 MSRP)
65" C3 $2599 MSRP (UK £2900 MSRP)
55" C3 $1900 MSRP (UK £2100 MSRP)
48" C3 $1500 MSRP
42" C3 $1400 MSRP

FlatpanelsHD.com model/MSRP placeholder pages: LG G3 OLED specifications - TV Database - FlatpanelsHD -- LG C3 OLED specifications - TV Database - FlatpanelsHD

Online manuals, help, guides

• LG TV First time setup(video) (webOS22)
• LG G3 video tutorials, LG C3 video tutorials
• LG webOS 23 Online User Guide (US)
• LG TV Picture model (video), Picture Modes demo (video) (webOS22)
• How to use LG ThinQ mobile app with your LG Smart TV

Firmware update info

1. How to update: LG Video (webOS 22)

 

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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

• Can I read the User Manual online? YES.
• What is HDR? (Eizo.eu)
• What is Filmmaker mode? Experience UHD, FilmmakerMode.com
• What is MLA (Micro Lens Array)? LG Display Confirms OLED MLA (FlatPanelsHD.com), LG Display confirms 3rd gen OLED TV panel with MLA technology (AVForums)
• Installing a G-series wall-mount TV (YouTube), installing an LG optional floor stand (YouTube)
• What's the best way to clean a flat panel?
• What size should I get? Consumer Reports (scroll down), Rtings.com, Display Wars size comparison
• "I just got mine, where do I start with the Settings for the most accurate image?"
  • First, go into Settings, General, Energy Saving, Energy Saving Step and turn ECO mode options OFF. It will dim your display unnaturally from its best intended picture.
  • For viewing, the first, best advice that most agree upon is to choose Filmmaker Mode for SDR, HDR -- it is the most accurate picture mode out of the box. For Dolby Vision (aka DV), try the Cinema picture mode (not Cinema Home, which is for brightly lit rooms and uses some brightness steroids).
  • When you want to start adjusting, ISF Expert Bright and Dark (SDR) start off the most accurate, and offer the most customization options. Cinema is where to start with HDR and DV.
  • Where is the Energy Saving option again?
    Answer: it moved (again!) it is now near the bottom of Settings, General (webOS 23, as seen on C3). Note that "Minimum Brightness" is now underneath Energy Saving Step.
    
• How can I stop the Notifications that pop up when I turn the TV on? Check my suggestions in the G2/C2 owners' thread.
• WTH is this thing?
  
  
  Answer: IR Blaster. Plug-in location and use described in the Setup Guide and Owner's Manual.
  

Tips and tricks (some documented, some not)

• Links to Settings discussion
  • Posts here [tbd]
  • Videos from calibrators, reviewers: [tbd]

 

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Known issues/bugs

 

[ChromeJob]

Table top stand options

As in prior years, a console/table stand will not be included with the G3, only the Flush Fit wall bracket. (US product info page) Customers can buy the optional LG stand appropriate to their choice of size, or a third party stand. (N.b. links are to AVSforum only, not retailers. Follow links to post for further reading.) I have not yet heard if the SC9S soundbar (which can replace a C2, C3 included stand) will also fit to a G3.

YES, the LG product pages (US) list the stand part number under the heading Accessories included, but the line for the wall mount states "Flush Mount included (Stand sold separately)."

• LG G3 83", 77" optional stand: SR-G3WU8377
• LG G3 65" optional stand SR-G3WU65
• LG G3 55" optional stand SR-G3WU55
• Sanus OLTVS1 XL Swivel base universal stand for 40" to 86" TVs (photo review on Amazon from a 77" G2 owner)
• Monoprice 39656 universal stand for TVs 37" to 70", up to 88 lbs/39.9 kg
• Perlesmith Swivel Stand, up to 70"/88 lbs

LG SC9S soundbar for C2, C3 (55", 65", and 77")

• Functions as alternate tabletop stand or wall-mount bracket (without additional drilling) (55", 65", and 77" OLED evo C2 & C2 models only)
• WOW Orchestra sound
• WOW Interface
• WOWCAST ready
• VRR/ALLM
• AI Room Calibration Pro
• Dolby Atmos support with three up-firing speakers
  • Video here on YouTube
• Hifi.de review of the (D)SC9S
• NOTE: 77" TV requires an adapter for the Synergy attachment bracket/base

Image source: LG (US)

 

[New24K]

I thought that it was AVS policy that you couldn't start an owner's thread until you actually purchased the TV...?

 

[ChromeJob]

I thought that it was AVS policy that you couldn't start an owner's thread until you actually purchased the TV...?

I've never heard of that policy. I and a few others have started the owners' threads in the past for AVRs and other components, usually with oft-needed information at the "head" of the topic as a convenience for new owners and users looking for pre-purchase information. The mods and admins I've talked with were very supportive.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

 

[bryantc]

I thought that it was AVS policy that you couldn't start an owner's thread until you actually purchased the TV...?

Indeed it is. When I started a Z9 owners thread after stating my intention to purchase they changed it to an "anticipation" thread. And then I had to make another owners thread when it came out.

Seems to be selectively applied at the mods whims.

 

[New24K]

Indeed it is. When I started a Z9 owners thread after stating my intention to purchase they changed it to an "anticipation" thread. And then I had to make another owners thread when it came out.

Seems to be selectively applied at the mods whims.

Well, it only makes sense really...

How can you have an "owner's" thread without any actual owners...?

You won't be even able to buy the TVs for another 3 +/- months...

So you will have an "owner's" thread filling with page after page of postings - without anyone even owning the TV...

 

[ChromeJob]

It depends upon your viewpoint. IMHO the well managed "owners" threads have useful information in the first post: FAQs, links, update details, specs. Take a look at the Apple TV Owners' Thread, it's a superb example.

Y'know that movie line, "if you build it, they will come?" Trust me, the G3 and C3 owners will show up, as will prospective buyers looking for info and new owner perspective, just as in the 2022 LG C2-G2 Owner's Thread (also started when 2022 models were announced).

Feel free to start "anticipation" and discussion comments about the information LGE has made public about the 2023 models.

 

[Picasso Moon]

Did they give any information at CES on the expected release date for these? I watched several videos from CES but don't remember any of them mentioning when they would be available to purchase.

 

[Angelp1977]

Did they give any information at CES on the expected release date for these? I watched several videos from CES but don't remember any of them mentioning when they would be available to purchase.

Usually by end of March/April is when you should start seeing some of these roll out.

 

[Ice Cold]

Sorry the Samsung S95C and it’s 144hz and FreeSync Premium Pro are a must have for a Gaming person. I just wish it was curved.
That’s plus an 7900 XTX with DisplayPort 2.1 looking forward to a 175hz QD-OLED from MSI 34” should have enough bandwidth since both are DisplayPort 2.1 rated.

 

[lilwolf555]

Sorry the Samsung S95C and it’s 144hz and FreeSync Premium Pro are a must have for a Gaming person. I just wish it was curved.
That’s plus an 7900 XTX with DisplayPort 2.1 looking forward to a 175hz QD-OLED from MSI 34” should have enough bandwidth since both are DisplayPort 2.1 rated.

I'm liking the 144hz too but in the end software and price will decide it for me. And how mla vs qd is.

I'm very hesitant to Samsung due to (I dont think at least) no burn in warranty on their TV's (lgs is 'unoffical' but kinda do) and then slowly gimping brightness and forced FW updates.

Will be interesting to see how it plays it

 

[Mr.SoftDome]

Can’t be an owner until I see what’s up Sonys sleeve

 

[glangford]

I wonder if LG will reverse course and provide a table top stand with the G3 without having to purchase it separately.

 

[ChromeJob]

I wonder if LG will reverse course and provide a table top stand with the G3 without having to purchase it separately.

I doubt it. Since the Gallery Series is designed and intended for wall-mounting, I can't foresee them NOT including the proprietary wall mount. Including both parts (stand and wall mount), one of which every user will not use, is wasteful IMHO. This cost would likely be passed on to the buyer, which is less than ideal. Offering the stands as an option for those who want it makes sense ... particularly if the SC9S will mount and act as a stand as LG promises it will for C2s and C3s.
⚠ See Post #4 for links to suggestions of aftermarket table top stands.

Choices are good. My 83" C2 has two mounting options, including an apparently proprietary set of mounts within the electronics box for an optional LG wall mount.

 

[HiFi4Vision]

I wonder if LG will reverse course and provide a table top stand with the G3 without having to purchase it separately.

Not according to the information Vincent has from CES:

 

[daledenton9]

Do we know the weight of the G3 yet?

 

[Hotobu]

I thought that it was AVS policy that you couldn't start an owner's thread until you actually purchased the TV...?

Or at least when it's actually available.

 

[anony73]

I wonder if LG will reverse course and provide a table top stand with the G3 without having to purchase it separately.

An included stand would be great. I’m sure many want the G3 but don’t have the ability or desire to mount it for various reasons, but are willing to pay extra for the TV instead of the C3 since it has higher brightness. Whether a stand is included or not, I just hope it won’t cause the TV to tilt back and won’t be wobbly.