[PeteratMars]

Are 30" LCD TV/PC monitors having 1080 lines coming in Q3-Q4 2003? I've seen a 54" LCD panel with 1080 lines (the upcoming Samsung 54" measuring 1920 x 1080 pixels)

http://www.projectorexpert.com/Pages/ces2003.html


However there is nothing I've seen in the 30" or 42" bracket.

 

[ConceptVBS]

I think you'll see them after the high end models come out. In other words, the technology will "trickle down".

 

[rogo]

Right, eventually it happens. Clearly, the people who are making these for TVs, however, believe the extra pixels are not necessary to sell these sets for many thousands of dollars.

 

[PeteratMars]

What the marketing guys are failing to see is that these "TVs" are also being used as PC monitors. That's why the extra pixels would be desirable. The Samsung 240T which has 1200 lines is the closest manufacturers have come to achieving a high quality HDTV and PC monitor. The problem with the 240T is that a 24 inch screen is too small for TV viewing at a reasonable distance.


People want to use a single screen in a small viewing room for both computer work and HDTV. The ergonomics of this setup seem obvious to me -- sit at a desk and work the PC from 3 feet away, then back off 8 feet and sit with your significant other on a sofa to watch CSI or the Boston Symphony.

 

[rogo]

They are not failing to see anything.


First of all, they are happy to sell you two monitors.


Second of all, they are happy to charge different prices for different product through different channels.


Third of all, the number of people using one screen for both remains very, very small. Geeks like us are not such a target market.


Fourth of all, I would do more of what you described with switching distances for different content, but I don't have a room that allows it.


mark

 

[PeteratMars]

Points well taken, however I still believe that there are a lot of DINKS (Dual Income No Kids) who have an 11 x 15 second bedroom ideal for this sort of convergence. As for the number of people who employ one screen for dual use consider how many LCD HDTVs being manufactured these days are equipped with a DVI input for the PC. I suspect peoples' interest in convergence is actually quite high. They're just not ready to shell out $4K in order to make it happen. Bring that price down to $1,999 and the floodgate frustrating consumer demand opens wide.


I would very much like to see a 768 line 32" LCD panel being used with its DVI input. If the PC image is as clear as some people say then perhaps 1080 lines is not all that necessary.

 

[rogo]

I actually feel the overwhelming evidence is that people are not interested in convergence.


That said, I am personally and more people will be over time.


But it's not really as much about price as you think. It's more about the very fundamentally different behavior around the computer and the TV.


Anyway, enjoy what you got. And, yes, 768 lines of LCD with DVI is quite lovely.


Mark

 

[irkuck]

It is interesting to note that there is no problem to get 1920x1080

resolution with LCD. The problem was pixel size. However, this problem

is solved and bigger size LCD's are coming out.


It is thus market postioning and price which drives the products:

1280x768 is enough as HDTV so go with it. The 1920x1080 is then

reserved for monster displays coming later.


Smaller size 1920x1200 is fine as computer monitor, the main problem

is do people want it? That is comparing to the current 24" LCD would

they like to go to 30"? Fact is that people prefer larger size

LCD e.g. instead of 1280x1024 17" they like to go to 19".


But 30" LCD on the desk is getting huge, one needs to turn head

from one end to the other. Also the changing distance between the

center and the border region may be a problem.


So it can be so that monster displays will appear on some desks

when there will come technology for making displays CURVED, e.g. OLED on plastic.


Anyway, next year will be the year of testing monster high resolution

displays as PC desktop monitors.

 

[ConceptVBS]

I believe convergence is the future. You see alot more people doing multi-tasking nowadays than ever before. Case in point: My friend who is a market analyst has to keep track of the the latest market info from CNN as well as work on his report using a PC. They have around 300 Samsung MP series monitors in his company. Not only does it save space but also improves productivity, not to mention cuts in electric bills.

 

[PeteratMars]

Quote:

Originally posted by irkuck But 30" LCD on the desk is getting huge, one needs to turn head from one end to the other... Anyway, next year will be the year of testing monster high resolution displays as PC desktop monitors .

Actually I was thinking of supporting the 30" LCD on the wall just in front of the desk (see the attached illustration). That should keep the entire screen within the computer user's 40 degree field of view.

 

[rogo]

But then you don't want too many pixels if the screen is too far away. Certainly not until pixel-independent Windows come out, which is not due until 2005, apparently.


mark

 

[PeteratMars]

Apparently the one million pixels in the Samsung LTM295W are a good number for viewing sharp text and graphics at a distance of 3 feet. Now if only I could find an electronics store displaying a 30 or 32 inch LCD panel as a PC monitor