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Technically, the 360 degree pan would need to be done 15 times a second to get video motion at 15 frames per second. But the concept of an advanced cha cha should work if the camera can snap enough pictures that fast and at extreme high shutter speed to reduce blur. Seems like a difficult and expensive way to do 3D 360° video. I'll stick with the Two Eyes camera. BTW I see they have some new video now that doesn't have that flicker from the lights. It's not on the kickstarter site. They also are on to first production run now and soon have units ready for QA from the run. Still on target for an August shipping.
 
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Don, I just realized what you were referring to in my least thread. I was talking about a simple 360 handheld video using maybe 4k 30fps. Then editing that into a 3D 360 view by offsetting one copy of the same video against the original. Basically, that would achieve the same as just scanning around in a circle with a 3D gopro setup. Probably would not work as a mouse movable 360 scene.

Also, can you post the link to the new TwoEyes videos. I couldn't find them.
 

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http://www.twoeyestech.com/product/twoeyes-vr/?ckattempt=1

peruse the different videos. The CEO is in the shot waving, both an anaglyph and a SBS but neither of the 3D offer a panable 360 view. This still bothers me about the camera.


Did I tell you that I did buy the $18 Walmart VR goggles? ( made by Breell) The iphone 6+ works well and the app has a mode to put the Giroptic video in SBS circles mode that works very well. Calibration is a little tricky but once each lens is focused and the IO adjusted, the image is very well displayed even if the resolution is not high. It does allow me to see my walking tours of the ship in a VR like view. One advantage of the goggles I discovered is by viewing the video with these the shakiness seems to go away. The view is rock steady. That surprised me. It must be an illusion of being enclosed in the VR world. I have not yet tried them with 3D SBS video. I can tell you that the 360 video in the sphere SBS mode with these goggles looks just like I am there with the exception that the image quality is much less than my eyesight. Definitely worth the price if you have a 360 camera.
 

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I was reading on the Internet (so it must be true:D) that you can take a 360º video--scan a scene in a circle with the camera, and then load two copies of it in a 3D editor (maybe Edius) and combine them into stereo but with several frames off to get a left eye/right eye image. This will create a 3D 360º video using basically an advanced version of the 3D cha-cha method used to create a single shot MPO. Haven't tried it, and it seems fraught with issues, but if it works...:cool:
I did this with non-360 video 7 years ago:


But it wouldn't work with a 360 camera. If the viewer is facing forward, the movement could be right to left and the cha-cha video could work. But if they turn left, the movement would be forward movement. If they look right, it's backward movement. If they look behind them, it's side-to-side but in the opposite direction (resulting in needing to swap eyes).

Even if you decided to explore the cha-cha video technique, you really want a dolly for perfectly straight footage. Otherwise you'll spend a long time processing the alignment for every frame in post, and the image would still be bouncing and warping (see any video editor's post-stabilization results when sourced from walking handheld footage).
 

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Don, I have set of VR goggles for my Samsung 6. What app are you using? I will try looking at your videos to see what you see.

I saw the newer T/B videos in anaglyph. They are out of alignment, but other than that the perspective is very good when in 360 mode.

I haven't looked at the T/B video. I don't have a way to view that except using something like Vegas Pro which doesn't support 360 video. The computer apps I have for 360 video only see SBS. I wonder if Two Eyes will have the app for their 4 way 3D vertical mounted camera.

Anyway, using the goggles and the iphone 6+ Apple has an app in their app store called 360cam, which is designd to work with the Giroptic 360 camera files. No need to use incompatible software. I believe the 360cam is also in the Android version.

I have not yet tested the YT 360 uploads, rather I only tested the 360 videos transferred from my Giroptic360 camera and from my edit computer to my iphone 6+ and then played them with the app. In the app you have to select the VR SBS method of display otherwise the Goggles will not display the video properly and you get a weird effect of a different view in each eye.
 

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cakefoo- There are a number of cameras today that can do 3D stereo with the pan the camera from left to right and then the camera will stitch the a series of snapshots, every other one into a panorama 3D display. I used this method in my Bryce Canyon video. But this does not do 360° nor does it work for 3D video, just a single still panorama in 3D, about 170° wide view.

I did get the Goggles to work for SBS 3D but not yet for 360 3D with head movement to steer the viewpoint. The only camera out now that can do 3D 360 is the GoPro system and the Two Eyes. The two eyes has examples with Top Bottom but not SBS. Don't know if it can work with SBS. I need to download the YT samples and add them to my iphone with the cam360 app and see if that will work. I may need to convert the video from TB to SBS. Any suggestions?

So much content for Google cardboard now but nothing I have found that does 3D SBS 360 VR.
 

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Bob, with YT in Chrome I did get that TB 360 to work in 3D tested in anaglyph. When I can free up the computer tomorrow I will test it in Power Director15.
 

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I got the 3D (non-anaglyph) 360° to work finally. It does not work in 3D on flat screen displays. Only works when viewing on my iphone using the YouTube app in VR mode. The way this is done, I discovered, is to watch any known 3D 360 video on YT and select the little Goggles icon which puts the YT player in 360 3D viewing mode, and then to see the 3D you must put the iphone into the VR goggles.

There are actually quite a few 3D 360 VR videos on YT to watch. One of the most common genre is soft porn with Asian girls.
 

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If anyone is curious, this guy built a mount for s3D using two Kodak S360 cameras. It won't give you 360 degree views but 180 degree 3D views. I prefer this, I think 360 in many cases is just not necessary. 180 degree is more apt to the human head movement. Needless to say I bought one, will test when I get back. Amazon has a dual pack of these cameras for $599, and with the mount (assuming no tax/shipping) you're at $650

http://rocketpictures.net/3D/

If you scroll to the bottom of his page, he has a few videos showing workflow.
 

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You could make your own for less than a few dollars. Just need a 1/4 AL strip, drill some holes add your 1/4 20 screws. Take about 20 minutes.
 

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You could make your own for less than a few dollars. Just need a 1/4 AL strip, drill some holes add your 1/4 20 screws. Take about 20 minutes.
Agreed. I've made so many 3D twin camera mounts. Most are far more sophisticated than that one is.

All my systems are compatible mounts and attachments so that I can mix them up as needed. My latest design mixes a Sony TD10 for 3D with the GoPro 4 Black for 4K 2D of the same scene. The 3D GoPro bench can be either mounted on the Beeholder 3 axis gimbal stabilizer or added to the top of my AX53 that will shoot 4K 2D with the GoPro wide angle 3D. My two favorite filters are a variable ND or a CPL.

I take great care in designing all the rigs so they can me hauled in a small side pack or back pack and put together in a few seconds in the field. The next to the last one with the light is assembled for my next dry cave shoot in Barbados. A bigger package choice is to replace the TD10 with the Panasonic Z10K. I also have an adapter that will mount the AX53 on top of the Z10K.

The last is the GoPro 3D underwater rig with a GoPro 4K 2D attached, all with red filters and LED U/W light. I have replaced the GoPro arm with a plastic gooseneck for more flexibility. I have a 4 ft telescoping rod not shown that allows me to lower the camera into holes and deeper parts of the reef.
 

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Interesting, but I give the price a big.."Yikes."
If it does everything it says it does, then it's actually a bargain. 3D GoPro rigs are far more expensive and the stitching is a hassle and can be problematic. If one camera fails during recording that's another problem.

But that this camera offers multiple resolutions, 2D and 3D, photo and video, and offers (for select resolutions) "in camera stitching" it's actually a bargain. I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on it. I'm bailing on the GoPro set up I have, and the Kodak cameras were mediocre.
 

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I saw this awhile back but happy it made it to market.

Unless you have a project needing this, I'd wait for more competition as the price will probably be down to $1k in a year. Plus, editing platforms capable of dealing with 8K base file need to be developed too.
 

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Too bad they failed to add the necessary meta data that YT requires to view the 360 view windows.
 

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Vuze 360 camera
 
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