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Is there a way to watch MTS files copied from an HDR-TD10 (that were recorded in 3D) on a computer in 3D?


I have a Mitsubishi 3D DLP TV with shutter glasses I use for movies and games. I've tried playing them with VLC player but it's in 2D. I posted a message on Tri-Def's 3D Player forum but it doesn't look like it supports 3D MTS files.
 

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Ok after doing some research I got Streophonic Player to play the files in 3D in DLP-Ready 3D mode. It works pretty well.


I'm new to this so the next step is figuring out how to edit movies and put music behind them. From what I read it looks like Vegas is the application to go with.


I'm helping my dropzone out with selling 3D Blu Rays of people's skydives so it looks like we'll be able to do it.


Is there a currently a way to burn 3D blu rays after editing them in Vegas (and have them work on all of the common 3D blu-ray players)?
 

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What player did you use?


Good luck with Vegas. Maybe it will work better for you but it continuously crashed on me. I never was able to get one video to finish rendering and burn to a Blu-Ray. My trial for Vegas ran out without a single success so I gave up. Beyond running the camera right to my TV I could not get 3D to play any other way.
 

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I used Stereoscopic player to play the .MTS files pulled from the camera and it worked well. But when I used Vegas to create a movie and render it as an AVCHD .M2TS file the stereoscopic player didn't play the file correctly - instead of automatically choosing a 3D layout (like it did for the .MTS file and set it to Separate Streams) it made me choose between the modes manually and none of them actually looked right.


It'd be best to be able to render to M2TS files and play them back on a PC to properly preview them before burning a blu-ray disc. If it's not possible to play an M2TS file rendered by Vegas in 3D on a PC then we may need to go straight to burning a blu-ray disc.


Is there a specific blu-ray burner which is recommended for burning 3D movies rendered by Vegas?
 

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You do not need a specif Blu Ray burner for 3D Blu Rays - every Blu Ray burner is fine - only the files are MVC encoded and the structure of the 3D Blu Ray is slightly different to a 2D Blu Ray, but that must be managed by the authoring tool not by the burner.


Yes, unfortunately the stability of Vegas for 3D editing is not as great as it should be. Vegas Moviestudio Platinum HD in the actual release 247 shows a lower stability compared with Vegas Pro 10e. That derives from the fact that VMS is created from the 32 bit Version of Vegas Pro - and it seems to be an older Vegas Pro version than the actual Vegas Pro 10e 32-bit. But it should be fine to edit a project with maybe 50-100 MVC fles.


Another major limitation is the 32-bit platform for editing MVC-files - means that you can edit something about 200-300 MVC files in Vegas Moviestudio HD Platinum r247 at the moment, but have to disable the thumbnail preview of the events in the timeline (ram preview should be at zero).


Vegas Pro 10e 32 bit is a bit more robust compard with VMS, and Vegas Pro 10e 64 bit is even better, given the 64 bit architecture. So, if somebody wishes to edit TD10 footage in larger projects, he could or should think about an upgarde to Vegas Pro 10e 64bit.
 

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Ok so now the problem I'm running into is how to maintain the resolution and quality of the video in 3D output mode (in Vegas 11). I played the original videos from the HDR-TD10 in Stereoscopic Player and it played smoothly in HD in 3D. But when I use Vegas to render to an AVCHD file I can only choose between Side by Side, Line Alternate, Anaglyphic, and Line Alternate, Left or Right Only - there's no Separate Streams option (which I think the original videos are in).


Is there a way to maintain the exact quality and 3D mode of the original video and not lose quality or resolution when rendering the project?


I'm testing out rendering to AVCHD .M2TS files now but once I get a blu-ray burner I'll need to do the same with it (and maximize quality and resolution while maintaining 3D).
 

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Well, you do not need a separte stream option really for 3D Blu Ray - for 3D Blu Ray you need the Sony AVC/MVC encoder, and have to choose and modity the MVC templates (see below).


To maintain the resolution and quality of TD10 footage - no easy task at all for 3D Blu Rays. Typically, the TD 10 footage is 1080 50i (PAL areas) or 1080 60i (NTSC areas), but not 1080 24p. Unfortunately, the 3D Blu Ray specification foresees 720 50p, 720 60 and 1080 24p as MVC only. So for 3D Blu Ray you have to convert the TD10 footage, and that will reduce quality and/or resolution! There is no way to avoid that really, there is the only way to try to minimise the quality loss.


Generally spoken, there are two routes: first you could try to convert the footage to 1080 24p, by rendering the 3D footage with the Sony AVC/MVC encoder to 1080 24p. Choosing that path will remain resolution, but it will interpolates every frame new - what is something that reduces quality really. Many people have not been very happy with that way, and there is not really a good way from native 1080 60i to 1080 24p.


The second way would be to render to 720 50p (from 1080 50i camcorders) or 720 60p (from 1080 60i camcorders), what works better. That requires a good interlacer - and the Vegas internal deinterlacer is of medium quality only (some people tend to use deinterlacing plugins like the Yadif plugin). That is the better way, since not every frame must be interpolated, even if it requires the software to deinterlace the footage and resize it what will cost some quality. If you wish to be bettern then Vegas can do, you could use AVIsynth to deinterlace to 1080 60p, then scale to 720 60p.


If you give that try in Vegas, make sure that you set deinterlacing to "blend" or "interpolate" in the project properties, but not "none".


Be aware that the MVC templates in VMS r247 in the Sony AVC/MVC should be changed by using the customization buttom - take the MVC 1280x760 60p template if you use the NTSC model, but change the bit rate from 10 to 25.000.000. If you use the PAL model, you have to change both the bit rate to 25.000.000, but also the frame rate to 50 (double PAL). I recommend you to save the new templates for the future.
 

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Nevermind I just realized the Side by Side (half or full) .M2TS render isn't actually in 3d because when I watch the movie without glasses I can see the two images are the same distance apart (regardless of how far away the things in the movie are). It creates a side by side render but it's like it's the same left or right stream instead of two different streams.
 

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Side by Side half reduces the resolution by the half! As the name says....



Best output - there is not such a thing like a best output. What will be the best depends on your presentation medium - better then sbs half is sbs full, but that is not usefull for 3D Blu Rays. However, you can watch that on the PC, using the stereoscopic player.
 

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Right I think it sounds like SBS Half would be good for blu-ray (and PC).


What I don't understand is why an SBS Half rendered .M2TS file doesn't actually look 3D in Stereoscopic player. It doesn't look 3D with my shutter glasses and when I look without glasses it's clear that the parralax (I think this is the right term) doesn't change throughout the image (there's no 3D effect).
 

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How do you watch the sony files in 3d with stereoscopic player? I've just been playing with it and can't find any option that makes it work properly. Closest I get is anaglyph, but that doesn't work with my 3d glasses. Selecting Nvidia 3d just gives me 2 different pictures either sbs or one on top of the other, both of which don't work. I just want 120hz 3d, or does stereoscopic player not work this way??
 

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Ok I just found the Tools -> Burn Blu-Ray Disc and then burned it using Power2Go (included in my external Blu-Ray burner's software). But when I put it in my ps3 it doesn't recognize it. What do I need to do to get it to play?
 

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Ok. you found Power2Go by yourself, since Vegas creates only the Blu Ray ISO. With win7 there are also burning tools included as part of Win7.


No, the DVDA 5.2 will not work for 3D Blu Rays at the moment - only SD-DVDs and 2D Blu Rays are supported. The only economic possibility to create 3D Blu Rays is Vegas Pro and Vegas Moviestudio Platinum HD at the moment.


For your PS3 - well I do not use a PS3. But I believe to remember that there has been a firmware update for the PS3 for 3D Blu Rays.
 

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Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. /forum/post/20864998


Ok. you found Power2Go by yourself, since Vegas creates only the Blu Ray ISO. With win7 there are also burning tools included as part of Win7.


No, the DVDA 5.2 will not work for 3D Blu Rays at the moment - only SD-DVDs and 2D Blu Rays are supported. The only economic possibility to create 3D Blu Rays is Vegas Pro and Vegas Moviestudio Platinum HD at the moment.


For your PS3 - well I do not use a PS3. But I believe to remember that there has been a firmware update for the PS3 for 3D Blu Rays.

Good! but need to note this undocumented difference: For BluRay burn in Vegas Ver 10e requires you render your 3D timeline to an iso file first. Once rendered and saved to your hard drive. then you need to shut off 3D stereoscopic by selecting "off" in the properties. Now go back to tools and you can select the option to burn the iso file previously created and saved to the disk. This will play in a PS3 in 3D. The firmware upgrade is over a year old I believe. Some people didn't upgrade because it was reported an issue with pirated disks plus other negative issues. I upgraded and the 3D BD play fine.
 

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There has been a change in the burning function from Vegas 10d to Vegas 10e, I think. Have not followed that in detail, because I do not see that as big issue if you have to take an external burnng tool, or use the win7 tool instead (ok, some people are still with XP and may have an issue here).
 

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Ok so my PS3 has the firmware upgrade (I've been watching 3D blu-rays on it for some time) and I used Vegas 11 Platinum to create the SBS (Half) 3D MVC at 10mbps at 720 60p .ISO image file. I then used Power2Go to burn the .ISO image to the blu-ray disc. I'd put the disc in the PS3 but it didn't even recognize it (or let me browse it for files).


I've tried going back into Tools -> Burn Blu-Ray Disc in Vegas but it doesn't show me an option to burn the .ISO image I already created (I think it's only allowing me to create another ISO file).


What do I need to do differently to get this to work?
 
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