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I like your way of thinking,my thoughts exactly.i'm with you on the 3d gimmick.Even though i got a little bashed for thinking just that.
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I'm just one of those troglodytes who regard 3D as a gimmick.![]()
I like your way of thinking,my thoughts exactly.i'm with you on the 3d gimmick.Even though i got a little bashed for thinking just that.
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Well, coming from a KURO owner to a KURO owner (I've a Pro-111FD), I'd advise waiting to see how it shakes out. Even though there's an industry push, it could be simply a footnote in entertainment (Betamax anyone?), and worse, you could be stuck having shelled out thousands for a display the full potential of which might never see.
I'd say, don't be in a hurry, enjoy your KURO for another year or 2. By then, we'll start to have a better idea of where these things are going. By then, reviews will be in, and we'll know if there are any long-term side-effects to wearing those glasses (remember "The Jerk" and the opti-grab? What did we learn from that movie, if nothing else, children? Don't mess with people's eyes!)
That's what I'm gonna do.
I'd say, don't be in a hurry, enjoy your KURO for another year or 2. By then, we'll start to have a better idea of where these things are going. By then, reviews will be in, and we'll know if there are any long-term side-effects to wearing those glasses (remember "The Jerk" and the opti-grab? What did we learn from that movie, if nothing else, children? Don't mess with people's eyes!)
That's what I'm gonna do.
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3d is in fact a gimmick, however I don't mind and I still enjoy it. I think all these stereoscopic displays should be labeled as 2.5d (thats what gamers used to call the 1st Doom engine back in the early 90s, that game gave you the impression of a 3d environment but in reality they employed a cheap mathematical trick that was designed to remove a per pixel division operation; thats how they reduced rendering time however the world data was really stored as 2d; still, it was a revolution that paved the way for real-time 3d rendering).
If you want real 3d, you're gonna have to wait some 50+ years for holographic displays
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3d is in fact a gimmick, however I don't mind and I still enjoy it. I think all these stereoscopic displays should be labeled as 2.5d (thats what gamers used to call the 1st Doom engine back in the early 90s, that game gave you the impression of a 3d environment but in reality they employed a cheap mathematical trick that was designed to remove a per pixel division operation; thats how they reduced rendering time however the world data was really stored as 2d; still, it was a revolution that paved the way for real-time 3d rendering).
If you want real 3d, you're gonna have to wait some 50+ years for holographic displays
Can't let that one go by.
The Wii controller, with its orthogonal-axis accelerometer/inertial sensors, is the only controller that truly brings the third dimension into play in gaming. The less-than-HD graphics don't take much away from that achievement.
Which leads me to believe that well-executed large-panel BluRay 3-D reproduction will, by analogy, make less-than-perfect black levels not very significant.
Can't let that one go by.
The Wii controller, with its orthogonal-axis accelerometer/inertial sensors, is the only controller that truly brings the third dimension into play in gaming. The less-than-HD graphics don't take much away from that achievement.
Which leads me to believe that well-executed large-panel BluRay 3-D reproduction will, by analogy, make less-than-perfect black levels not very significant.
I would wait at least another year or two until the 3D technology becomes a bit more mature and likely comes down in cost. By then, Panasonic will hopefully have integrated most or all of the Kuro technology into their sets and then you will hopefully be able to purchase a set with Kuro PQ and 3D.
I would wait at least another year or two until the 3D technology becomes a bit more mature and likely comes down in cost. By then, Panasonic will hopefully have integrated most or all of the Kuro technology into their sets and then you will hopefully be able to purchase a set with Kuro PQ and 3D.
I'm no engineer but my opinion (and that's all it is) is that would be highly unlikely. I think when you factor in the amount of money for R&D to develop such a solution (assuming its even possible), the possible requirement to have access to patented technology in the Kuro, and then factor in the very limited market for such a device (a subset of current Kuro owners), I just see too many roadblocks for such a device to ever make it to market (much less even be developed).
I'm not talking about a marketable product. I'm talking about a workable solution. And if you're a Kuro owner, that'll do.
It's not manufacturing, it's just signal processing. And there is ample talent in the pro/am video community to make that happen just for fun and giggles, believe it or not. Heck, a teenage kid hacked the DVD encryption system during a couple of idle weekends.
It's not manufacturing, it's just signal processing. And there is ample talent in the pro/am video community to make that happen just for fun and giggles, believe it or not. Heck, a teenage kid hacked the DVD encryption system during a couple of idle weekends.
I know what you are talking about but that still doesn't change my position. I would like nothing more than to see such a solution for my own Kuro 600M but I honestly do not believe it is going to happen for the reasons I have already listed. I don't think you have to be a software engineer to get a realistic idea of just how difficult (and therefore unlikely) it would be to develop what you are proposing. Assuming it was even possible to create such a solution, without the help of the Pioneer engineers, I could easily see it taking years to develop the solution and by then, the Kuro will almost surely have been surpassed and many Kuro owners will have moved on to newer and better technology. I know you were just trying to make a point but I don't think its that hard to imagine just how different and more difficult adding functionality (3D) to the Kuro will be compared to cracking CSS. Make no mistake, I hope I am proven wrong but with each passing day and absolutlely zero rumors or speculation of anyone working on such a solution, the chances of seeing a 3D solution for the Kuro are going from very slim to none. I only spoke up here because I just don't want to see the OP holding out hope for such a solution when again, there hasn't even been any rumored speculation that such a solution is even being considered by someone with the technical know how.
I know what you are talking about but that still doesn't change my position. I would like nothing more than to see such a solution for my own Kuro 600M but I honestly do not believe it is going to happen for the reasons I have already listed. I don't think you have to be a software engineer to get a realistic idea of just how difficult (and therefore unlikely) it would be to develop what you are proposing. Assuming it was even possible to create such a solution, without the help of the Pioneer engineers, I could easily see it taking years to develop the solution and by then, the Kuro will almost surely have been surpassed and many Kuro owners will have moved on to newer and better technology. I know you were just trying to make a point but I don't think its that hard to imagine just how different and more difficult adding functionality (3D) to the Kuro will be compared to cracking CSS. Make no mistake, I hope I am proven wrong but with each passing day and absolutlely zero rumors or speculation of anyone working on such a solution, the chances of seeing a 3D solution for the Kuro are going from very slim to none. I only spoke up here because I just don't want to see the OP holding out hope for such a solution when again, there hasn't even been any rumored speculation that such a solution is even being considered by someone with the technical know how.
In order to play the upcoming 3d Blu-Ray DVDs in 3D the TV hadware needs to be able to receive and process the two video streams using a HDMI 1.4 receiver chip. It also needs hardware capable of displaying each stream in 1080p/24 input steam at least 60Hz and 120Hz would be better to avoid judder. And then it needs the hardware to generate the IR output required to sync the active shutter glases.
These requirements can not be met by a "video processsing solution" which if possible would most likely require replacing the current video processing chips in the Kuro with higher speed chips with bigger memory buffers.
In order to play the upcoming 3d Blu-Ray DVDs in 3D the TV hadware needs to be able to receive and process the two video streams using a HDMI 1.4 receiver chip. It also needs hardware capable of displaying each stream in 1080p/24 input steam at least 60Hz and 120Hz would be better to avoid judder. And then it needs the hardware to generate the IR output required to sync the active shutter glases.
These requirements can not be met by a "video processsing solution" which if possible would most likely require replacing the current video processing chips in the Kuro with higher speed chips with bigger memory buffers.
Count me in the gimmick camp. I am a Kuro owner as well (141) and have very little interest in 3D and I have seen a few of the 3d sets and 3D content and was not impressed. While I will agree that the shutter glasses are a big improvement, the figures still look like cardboard cutouts and the 3D effects very gimmicky. Foe live sports, unless the camera is on the filed, the 3D effect is almost nil. I have more depth on my Kuro on distant shots of sporting events than I have sense on the 3D prototypes I have seen. I would just wait to see how all this plays out. If someone would put out a set that can match or even exceed the performance of my 141 and offer 3d and at an affordable price (sub 3k), I would be interested. Until then, forget it. I would rather all manufacturers get their sets right first. They have a long way to to go in that regard.
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3d is not a gimmick. By definition a gimmick would add no function or value.
3d is a new function. Get over it guys...
And the Wii is not a gimmick either, again it added a completely new way to play games. Which has been heavily copied at this point.
If your going to use words to support your argument, use the right ones...
The Wii and 3d... are not gimmicks... they both do present new features/options/functions/value.
So many whiny tech nerds on this site that blindly push their **opinions** with forceful words chosen poorly.
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p.s. you'd be the same guys saying color TV is a gimmick too when it 1st came out, since it wasn't perfect accurate color (or much color to speak of) and you just bought your top of the line B&W set
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3d is not a gimmick. By definition a gimmick would add no function or value.
3d is a new function. Get over it guys...
And the Wii is not a gimmick either, again it added a completely new way to play games. Which has been heavily copied at this point.
If your going to use words to support your argument, use the right ones...
The Wii and 3d... are not gimmicks... they both do present new features/options/functions/value.
So many whiny tech nerds on this site that blindly push their **opinions** with forceful words chosen poorly.
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p.s. you'd be the same guys saying color TV is a gimmick too when it 1st came out, since it wasn't perfect accurate color (or much color to speak of) and you just bought your top of the line B&W set
Actually it wasn't hacked so to speak... he didn't break the DVD encryption.
He found a key that a lazy software company left in clear text (i.e. not encrypted) in their program that did DVD playback. That key was then used to write other decoders.
So you can really thank the software company for providing the key without any protection. And a lot of thanks to the guy who found it.
Actually it wasn't hacked so to speak... he didn't break the DVD encryption.
He found a key that a lazy software company left in clear text (i.e. not encrypted) in their program that did DVD playback. That key was then used to write other decoders.
So you can really thank the software company for providing the key without any protection. And a lot of thanks to the guy who found it.
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