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somelogin

Discussion Starter · Feb 10, 2014

I guess with Panasonic gone, there is no chance of a manufacturer caring enough to make a UHD plasma? Sucks that the only choices for 4k this year will be either edge lit LED, expensive OLED, or way too big sized (for me) direct led. Obviously, I feel the elite plasmas were overrated, since so many have major black level issues, and then the Pannys had horrible flicker and IR issues. Too bad Samsung didn't decide to make one great 4k plasma and then call it quits. I know most will feel ultra HD is a waste for them, but my vision sucks, so for me it may actually solve a lot of my issues, but edge lit LED sets have so many other issues.

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eric3316

· #2 · Feb 10, 2014

There is just so much wrong in this post. lol

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somelogin

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 10, 2014

Not going to answer? Also, there is nothing wrong in it.

mailiang

· #4 · Feb 10, 2014

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Originally Posted by somelogin /t/1517016/4k-plasma/0_100#post_24339122

Not going to answer? Also, there is nothing wrong in it.

Your thread makes little sense, so for some, it may not be worth addressing. That being said, let me just say that there is no such thing as a perfect TV. They all have their anomalies. BTW, my Panasonic plasma has excellent blacks, doesn't have any real flicker or IR issues and I certainly wouldn't trade it for an LCD.

Ian

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somelogin

Discussion Starter · #5 · Feb 10, 2014

It makes no sense to ask if a manufacturer has been rumored to be making a 4K plasma? Seems pretty simple of a question to me.

mailiang

· #6 · Feb 10, 2014

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Originally Posted by somelogin /t/1517016/4k-plasma/0_100#post_24339297

It makes no sense to ask if a manufacturer has been rumored to be making a 4K plasma? Seems pretty simple of a question to me.

If you do your home work you will find that plasma is being phased out for LCD's. Unfortunately, their market share has shrunk to a mere 5%. It makes absolutely no sense for manufacturers to invest in a dying technology. This topic has been discussed extensively on several threads in this forum.

Ian

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somelogin

Discussion Starter · #7 · Feb 10, 2014

If people "did their research" about every thread in the forum could be deleted.... I asked a simple question. lso, if you read the post, I already said Panasonic was exiting............

mailiang

· #8 · Feb 10, 2014

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Originally Posted by somelogin /t/1517016/4k-plasma/0_100#post_24339656

If people "did their research" about every thread in the forum could be deleted.... I asked a simple question. lso, if you read the post, I already said Panasonic was exiting............

You wanted an answer, you got a answer. I'm sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear. Time to move on.

Ian

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eric3316

· #9 · Feb 11, 2014

4K is going to be hard for people with perfect vision to notice the difference from 1080p at normal viewing distances. If your eye site is not good, 4K won't help a thing because you want be able to see the little nuances in the picture that 4K brings.

As for OLED, do they even make a 4K OLED?

Also, no idea what flicker you are you taking about with Panasonic's and IR has not been an issue on the VT60.

Sounds like you should just buy an F8500. Not sure why you would wait for something else.

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vinnie97

· #10 · Feb 11, 2014

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Some folks can detect the flicker on plasma inherent to its PWM tech. I have seen it on very rare occasions on the 2013 Panasonic product lineup (ZT), but the frequency is so high that it's very subtle and only noticeable on particularly solidly bright backgrounds (and only occasionally at that). Some are more susceptible to this and actually get a headache from the phenomenon. I am thankfully not one of those people (I suspect its a tiny minority of the human population).

There is no way he'll be happy with an 8500. We're talking about someone who finds the Kuro to not be black enough, so you can only imagine how the F8500 will bug him.

This is selfmade's grumpier cousin we're talking about here (not literally, but there is a similar level of discord running through all of their posts

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blazar

· #11 · Feb 11, 2014

4k picture will be able to improve artifacts potentially. I can easily tell the clarity of 4k from 2k content. With 4k cameras there is potential for great picture improvement.

Besides all that i like to sit closer to my big screen to have the picture envelope my eyesight and peripheral vision. 3d in particular looks better when the screen occupies most of your field of vision. When you sit closer you can defintely tell an image is 4k vs 2k

Phrehdd

· #12 · Feb 11, 2014

I managed to see a demo of a 4k TV and at normal distances, there is a bit of difference between it's video and that of 1080 (plasma or LCD) and that is the subtleties of shadows and textures. It isn't all about edge adjacency effect.

As for 4K plasma, hmmmm seems that would be riddled with issues including being costly to make and also power consumption. I thoroughly enjoyed my Kuro 5010 and my present 65VT50 plasma. I'll be keeping the Panasonic VT50 as long as I can until a meaningful* new model is out which probably will be a "4K" TV in about 3 years.

9179mhb

· #13 · Feb 11, 2014

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Originally Posted by Phrehdd /t/1517016/4k-plasma#post_24340068

I thoroughly enjoyed my Kuro 5010 and my present 65VT50 plasma. I'll be keeping the Panasonic VT50 as long as I can until a meaningful* new model is out which probably will be a "4K" TV in about 3 years.

Will there ever exist a 4K OLED BIG screen TV that is priced for a monetary sum that the masses can afford?

LG's Giant Curved 4K OLED TVs Will Explode Your Mind

somelogin

Discussion Starter · #14 · Feb 11, 2014

The problem is they keep thinking people ONLY want huge screens, so they don't put their best tech in anything under 55 inches so far.

Also, once again, MY elites have a bad black level. Instead of saying I am unhappy with it, you could add in I said I was blown away by the ST50 black level, which proves mine have a worse level than that.

I was also blown away by a Samsung D7000 plasma, but it really REALLY bothered my eyes. I am even thinking that may have damaged them. But I may try an 8500 anyway.

And 4K will help me because it's going to improve details and I can see them good enough to where it's a big difference. For one thing the elite looks really faded and washed out and 4K would make a more crisp look to it.

vinnie97

· #15 · Feb 11, 2014

You're right, I didn't acknowledge that you could have been extremely unlucky two times in a row. I just have trouble wrapping my head around it. They both had pretty high hours on them IIRC so maybe that's a fate that faces more than I realize. I'm just skeptical that Pioneer screwed the pooch that badly.

DavidHir

· #16 · Feb 11, 2014

Color gamut and fewer artifacts will be a big plus with 4K on any display.

As far as the resolution differences, it's going to take a front projection or 80"+ panel to really get something out it there.

eric3316

· #17 · Feb 11, 2014

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Originally Posted by vinnie97 /t/1517016/4k-plasma#post_24340050

Some folks can detect the flicker on plasma inherent to its PWM tech. I have seen it on very rare occasions on the 2013 Panasonic product lineup (ZT), but the frequency is so high that it's very subtle and only noticeable on particularly solidly bright backgrounds (and only occasionally at that). Some are more susceptible to this and actually get a headache from the phenomenon. I am thankfully not one of those people (I suspect its a tiny minority of the human population).

There is no way he'll be happy with an 8500. We're talking about someone who finds the Kuro to not be black enough, so you can only imagine how the F8500 will bug him.

This is selfmade's grumpier cousin we're talking about here (not literally, but there is a similar level of discord running through all of their posts

).

Considering he says he would be okay with a Samsung 4K plasma, it sounds more like he is Panny bashing then anything else. Why would he not see flicker in the Samsung? Also, if he is okay with an F8500 with 4K then he must be okay with not the best blacks out there.

Also, no one addressed that he said his eyesight is bad so is there any advantage in viewing 4K as opposed to a 1080p blu-ray. Besides, when we say 4K, the only thing we are going to get is compressed 4K streaming from somewhere so it won't even be true 4K so it will still look like crap anyway and no better then a non compressed 1080p blu-ray.

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vinnie97

· #18 · Feb 11, 2014

That's true concerning 4K (garbage in, garbage out), unless you want to fork over big money for the exclusive Sony 4K box (and even then, if you have a bandwidth cap, you'll be surpassing it pretty quickly). The side effects alongside the new standard will be nice (again, assuming anything utilizes the increased color space and bit depth). As of now, there is no Blu-ray 4K standard nor launch date! Some are swearing by the benefits that upscaling 1080p --> 4K will provide. I am withholding judgement until I witness it, but I was never satisfied with upscaled 480p content after being spoiled by native1080p.

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blazar

· #19 · Feb 11, 2014

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Originally Posted by eric3316 /t/1517016/4k-plasma#post_24340562

Considering he says he would be okay with a Samsung 4K plasma, it sounds more like he is Panny bashing then anything else. Why would he not see flicker in the Samsung? Also, if he is okay with an F8500 with 4K then he must be okay with not the best blacks out there.

Also, no one addressed that he said his eyesight is bad so is there any advantage in viewing 4K as opposed to a 1080p blu-ray. Besides, when we say 4K, the only thing we are going to get is compressed 4K streaming from somewhere so it won't even be true 4K so it will still look like crap anyway and no better then a non compressed 1080p blu-ray.

Well ... I think we are actually hoping for 4k content. 4k content may be 10 years away until consistently available on discs but it is likely to arrive. Hopefully it arrives on 8k compatible format so the format itself is easily scalable. 8k with dolby digital atmos array that conforms to your particular speakers and speaker posiitons in your home.... Pretty cool!

8k is the true theoretical limit of human vision and most viewing distances, not 4k anyway.

Weboh

· #20 · Feb 11, 2014

I think there is a lot of 4K UHD content which is not much better than perfect 1080p content.

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