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[5.1] Sound effects making voice hard/almost impossible to.hear at times.

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So, I've had a 5.1 setup for about 3 years now (sort of put it together bit by bit, so my speakers aren't a complete match; my centre is different to the other 4 speakers and the front set is different to the rear set) IIRC I have Dali Zensor 3s for the front L/R, rear LR are B&W 601 S1s and the centre is a Tannoy MxC all speakers are driven by a Pioneer VSX-930.
Usually I just watch movies via Netflix on my smart TV and get the 5.1 audio to the amp via the ARC.

I set the amp up with the included setup mic, mounted on tripod, but have increased the output of the centre (quite) a bit so I can hear voice, but it doesn't really work.

Have you got any suggestions of what I should do to try and get things so I can hear voice levels normally? I read a few forum threads with people saying that this is a common problem with newer movies (threads date back to about 2010) and most people seem to be messing around with levels on their PC, however some people in the threads seem to either be using stereo audio or a "surround" sound bar. Their only advice to others was to use their PC settings to play with sound levels; which is what I'm (essentially) doing by setting levels on my AVR.

Have you any suggestions on what I could try to better hear the voice output? I loathe having to skip back to hear a line again or even stick subtitles on so I can make sure I heard it correctly.

Cheers
-David
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Check placement, not flat surfaces in front, rug on floor between you and center.
Make sure the center works like its supposed to, is any of the drivers not working? Put anther speaker there just to see how it is can be a good idea.
Make sure surrounds arent so loud it makes it hard to hear from front.


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Thanks for the reply. Placement of the centre speaker isn't the best, it's on the lowest level of my TV stand, on top of a CD player, making it about 1 foot off the floor (if you measure to the centre of the drivers), compared to about 3 feet from the floor for the L/R speakers; however I do have the centre speaker tilted upwards (about 20°) to try and compensate for the fact that the centre speaker is sitting quite low both drivers and the tweeter work on my centre speaker.

I suppose the best way to test of the issue is the height is to watch a movie whilst sitting on the floor and see if things sound better; if they do I'll get a TV stand which sits a bit higher than this one and has 3 (4 if you include the top shelf) decently sized shelves, then put the centre speaker on the first shelf down from the top. My TV stand needs replacing ever since an extremely drunk friend collapsed into my left speaker, knocking it into the TV and landing on everuthing, luckily the TV stand took the brunt of the damage otherwise he would have been handed a sizeable bill, I'll look on Gumtree (a UK craigslist) and see if I can find anything; if mounting height is the issue.

I would consider wall mounting my TV then putting my AVR on but I wall mounted a TV for a friend as he isn't exactly the DIY type and wall mounting systems seem like a real pain when it comes to switching inputs and adding cables to the TV as (with that wall mount at least) the TV was so close to the wall that you'd have to take it off every time you felt like adding or removing something. Not to mention the inherent fear of dropping an expensive television.
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Is it a carpeted floor or a rug there, or is it a bare flat surface?
Just for testing set it on the edge of a chair or something to get it a little more away from floor, and also change to another speaker to check if the center speaker is ok or not, maybe its damaged?
Is the center 8nside the shelf, or protuding out a little in front?
What speaker setting and crossover do you use?

If angled up the distance to the floor itself may not be a problem.
There are so many things that influence the sound and its probably not just one thing by itself. (unless speaker is not working as it should)


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Have you any suggestions on what I could try to better hear the voice output? I loathe having to skip back to hear a line again or even stick subtitles on so I can make sure I heard it correctly.

1. Do you have REW measurements?


2. Can you post photos or describe the room, dimensions and the surfaces, walls, ceiling, interior, placement of the speakers?


3. Does intelligibility improve when you disable roomEQ?


4. Does intelligibility improve when using the fronts without the center (tested with/without roomEQ each option)?
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If you have the speaker in an enclosed space in the entertainment center, it will boost the low mids. Try an EQ cut in the 200 Hz range. Also a boost in the 2 kHz range will add some presence and clarity.

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Wayne A. Pflughaupt
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If you have the speaker in an enclosed space in the entertainment center, it will boost the low mids. Try an EQ cut in the 200 Hz range. Also a boost in the 2 kHz range will add some presence and clarity.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
The human voice range is from about 85 Hz to 255 Hz in males to female. Cutting that range will just make dialog worse. Boost the 200 Hz range if anything.
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Have you any suggestions on what I could try to better hear the voice output?
Auto calibration with the supplied mic usually works well but I would suggest temporarily doing a manual calibration so you can hear the internally generated test tone from the receiver to each speaker to verify they indeed seem to sound to your ear, from the main listening position [MLP], to be the same in perceived volume [this usually means each will get a differing level, often by several dB]. Also walk right up close to each speaker to keep your ear close enough such that, while playing full range music [or better still, full range pink noise], you can verify all drivers (tweeters and woofers) are functioning properly. A dead or disconnected driver can make both auto and manual calibration go haywire.
The human voice range is from about 85 Hz to 255 Hz in males to female. Cutting that range will just make dialog worse. Boost the 200 Hz range if anything.


The lower frequencies of human voices make it more difficult to hear what people say. Deep male voice is the most difficult and most likly to become even worse by a small or medium, or even a somewhat large, bare room. Afaik older telephones only did 300Hz - 3kHz which made it easier to understand compared to now for many.


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Some receivers have a Dialog Boost, or similarly named mode. If the Pio has that option, try it.

Other issues:

- That center speaker placement is problematic. Place the speaker at ear level, in the open, for better dialog recognition.

- Often, exaggerated bass interferes with understanding dialog. If the sub level was increased after the Audyssey (or whatever Pio uses), this can increase the problem. If the bass is boomy, change the position of the sub, until it isn't.

- If you clap your hands in the middle of the room and you hear it echo, that means you need to add a boatload of soft furnishings and/or actual room treatments, in order to get clear dialog. Changing your speakers will be fruitless, if this is the case.

- Many times, users will try a lot of things in order to get better sound. All these changes often take you further away from a clean signal, as so many modes can interact badly. You might consider doing a factory reset on your receiver, to get back to ground zero. Then re-integrate the sub, run Audyssey, add modes, EQ, whatever.

- If none of the above are effective, then you may need to get a receiver with better processing, like Dirac, for instance. That said, the receiver can only correct so much. if the room conspires to ruin it. If the echo is present, the room needs work, before you spend a boatload on new equipment.
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