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I would like to get people's opinion on a surround sound system for my living room. What I'm looking for:
Speakers to be mounted, or take up limited floorspace. I would be open to on wall speakers with one sub on the floor or floor speakers with built in subs without an additional sub.

I tried a Definitive Tech 5.1 soundbar, but I didn't think it was enough.

Ignore the light color. This picture was taken after I put in hue bulbs.
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Budget: $3,000
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1. Can you run wiring?
2. What's behind the camera's perspective in this picture? (Kitchen I'd guess?)
1. Yes, I can easily run wire anywhere. The basement is unfinished.
2. I have added another picture to the main post.
I'd suggest large bookshelves in clamping mounts attached to the TV frame instead of the wall.
Put the center under the TV, which may have to be raised a little.
You only need a 5.1 AVR, where the Yamaha RX-V385 is the least expensive model, but Costco has several models with more features for a little bit more money.
(Yamaha TSR-700, Denon AVR-S750H, Onkyo TX-NR595 depending on current availability)

Your big challenge is that you have such an open floor plan, you need a lot of budget dedicated to subwoofer(s). At least half, probably 2/3 or more.

Brands/models include
Polk S20 bookshelves on clamping mounts + S30 center under the TV unless Infinity Reference R162 + RC263 are on sale, or Emotiva B1 + C1 are available.
At least with the Polks you have color options.
For surrounds you could use more bookshelves, or Emotiva and Infinity have specific surround speakers that can be mounted on wall.
There are other brands/models available, but those are some easy choices.

The receiver and 5 speakers should be able to be had for less than half the budget, not necessarily counting mounting equipment.
That leaves the subs. The "easy" thing to try is to just put as much subwoofer as budget allows in the room, except the space is so large.

You could try
Put a "big" sub in the corner where you have the current sub in the picture, taking advantage of the corner to give boundary reinforcement.
Put a 2nd "big" sub in the corner in the rear left where the table/lamp is in the corner by the kitchen entrance. Again using the corner for boundary reinforcement.
For under half of your budget, 2 subs would mean options like:
Monoprice Monolith 10" THX
SVS PB-1000 Pro
Rythmik Audio LV12F
Hsu Research VTF-2 Mk5

If you have more budget, step up to larger subs from each brand. You'll want to compare the dimensions of these subs compared to the one in the picture. They're much, much larger.

Additionally, I don't see a space up front to house a typical receiver. The framing for the TV doesn't seem deep enough.
If there's a big sub in the corner, a shelf to hold it may work, and still be under the mounted speaker.

If the standalone subs are too big for aesthetics, you'd either have to go for slimline subs very close to the listening positions, trying to fit them under the seating, or something made custom to the space, which may blow the budget.

I would like to get people's opinion on a surround sound system for my living room. What I'm looking for:
Speakers to be mounted, or take up limited floorspace. I would be open to on wall speakers with one sub on the floor or floor speakers with built in subs without an additional sub.
Budget: $3,000
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Might be difficult to get a decent 5.1 setup in that room unless rearranging a lot so might be an idea to consider 2.1 with the very narrow front setup. Quality not small bookshelves and a good quality(not cheap) ported sub or 2 if you can do that. Im guessing you arent going for full on cinema so you dont have to go all out on bass capability but at least one good one.

(Not saying you cant do 5.1 but a better quality 2.1 is a good option)


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Does anyone have experience with the Goldenear or Def Tech towers with built in subs?
I'd suggest large bookshelves in clamping mounts attached to the TV frame instead of the wall.
Put the center under the TV, which may have to be raised a little.
You only need a 5.1 AVR, where the Yamaha RX-V385 is the least expensive model, but Costco has several models with more features for a little bit more money.
(Yamaha TSR-700, Denon AVR-S750H, Onkyo TX-NR595 depending on current availability)

Your big challenge is that you have such an open floor plan, you need a lot of budget dedicated to subwoofer(s). At least half, probably 2/3 or more.

Brands/models include
Polk S20 bookshelves on clamping mounts + S30 center under the TV unless Infinity Reference R162 + RC263 are on sale, or Emotiva B1 + C1 are available.
At least with the Polks you have color options.
For surrounds you could use more bookshelves, or Emotiva and Infinity have specific surround speakers that can be mounted on wall.
There are other brands/models available, but those are some easy choices.

The receiver and 5 speakers should be able to be had for less than half the budget, not necessarily counting mounting equipment.
That leaves the subs. The "easy" thing to try is to just put as much subwoofer as budget allows in the room, except the space is so large.

You could try
Put a "big" sub in the corner where you have the current sub in the picture, taking advantage of the corner to give boundary reinforcement.
Put a 2nd "big" sub in the corner in the rear left where the table/lamp is in the corner by the kitchen entrance. Again using the corner for boundary reinforcement.
For under half of your budget, 2 subs would mean options like:
Monoprice Monolith 10" THX
SVS PB-1000 Pro
Rythmik Audio LV12F
Hsu Research VTF-2 Mk5

If you have more budget, step up to larger subs from each brand. You'll want to compare the dimensions of these subs compared to the one in the picture. They're much, much larger.

Additionally, I don't see a space up front to house a typical receiver. The framing for the TV doesn't seem deep enough.
If there's a big sub in the corner, a shelf to hold it may work, and still be under the mounted speaker.

If the standalone subs are too big for aesthetics, you'd either have to go for slimline subs very close to the listening positions, trying to fit them under the seating, or something made custom to the space, which may blow the budget.
I love the idea, but I'm not in love with the look of bookshelves that are wall mounted.

The ideas I've been toying with are:
1: high end passive soundbar with a sub and wall mounted surrounds
2. Towers with built in subs such as Def Tech or Goldenear and wall mounted surrounds
3. On wall small low profile speakers and a sub

Thoughts?

Also, this will not be my dedicated theater room. This room is mainly for entertainment purposes such as music when friends are over or TV as a family. The theater room thread will come at a later date once the kids are a little older. Lol
I'd suggest large bookshelves in clamping mounts attached to the TV frame instead of the wall.
Put the center under the TV, which may have to be raised a little.
You only need a 5.1 AVR, where the Yamaha RX-V385 is the least expensive model, but Costco has several models with more features for a little bit more money.
(Yamaha TSR-700, Denon AVR-S750H, Onkyo TX-NR595 depending on current availability)

Your big challenge is that you have such an open floor plan, you need a lot of budget dedicated to subwoofer(s). At least half, probably 2/3 or more.

Brands/models include
Polk S20 bookshelves on clamping mounts + S30 center under the TV unless Infinity Reference R162 + RC263 are on sale, or Emotiva B1 + C1 are available.
At least with the Polks you have color options.
For surrounds you could use more bookshelves, or Emotiva and Infinity have specific surround speakers that can be mounted on wall.
There are other brands/models available, but those are some easy choices.

The receiver and 5 speakers should be able to be had for less than half the budget, not necessarily counting mounting equipment.
That leaves the subs. The "easy" thing to try is to just put as much subwoofer as budget allows in the room, except the space is so large.

You could try
Put a "big" sub in the corner where you have the current sub in the picture, taking advantage of the corner to give boundary reinforcement.
Put a 2nd "big" sub in the corner in the rear left where the table/lamp is in the corner by the kitchen entrance. Again using the corner for boundary reinforcement.
For under half of your budget, 2 subs would mean options like:
Monoprice Monolith 10" THX
SVS PB-1000 Pro
Rythmik Audio LV12F
Hsu Research VTF-2 Mk5

If you have more budget, step up to larger subs from each brand. You'll want to compare the dimensions of these subs compared to the one in the picture. They're much, much larger.

Additionally, I don't see a space up front to house a typical receiver. The framing for the TV doesn't seem deep enough.
If there's a big sub in the corner, a shelf to hold it may work, and still be under the mounted speaker.

If the standalone subs are too big for aesthetics, you'd either have to go for slimline subs very close to the listening positions, trying to fit them under the seating, or something made custom to the space, which may blow the budget.
Also, great observation of the depth of the entertainment stand. The depth is 12 in and I'm leaning towards a Sony receiver because they seem to be the shortest in depth.
Might be difficult to get a decent 5.1 setup in that room unless rearranging a lot so might be an idea to consider 2.1 with the very narrow front setup. Quality not small bookshelves and a good quality(not cheap) ported sub or 2 if you can do that. Im guessing you arent going for full on cinema so you dont have to go all out on bass capability but at least one good one.

(Not saying you cant do 5.1 but a better quality 2.1 is a good option)


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You are correct. I'm not looking to go full cinema. The purpose of this is to ensure that I have room filling sound.
The interior designer in my is raging. Very well done space. The color combinations are just right.
The interior designer in my is raging. Very well done space. The color combinations are just right.
I wish I could take credit for the second picture, but that was when the house was staged for sale a few months ago. My wife and I brought the furniture from our old home, and haven't decided how we want to design it. I'm just trying to take care of all the audio right now because I'm finally in a place that I'm going to stay in for a while.
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There are some decent passive soundbars, but you'd still need an AVR to power it with LCR input. Some are slim-line and may meet your requirements for on-wall speakers.
Def Tech Mythos and HTD Versa lines come to mind.

I think that there are likely tower speakers with "decent" bass that may not need to have a powered subwoofer built in.
I think for the cost of towers with built-in subs, you may be better off with a standalone sub (or 2). You need something to sit the receiver on anyway :)

The ideas I've been toying with are:
1: high end passive soundbar with a sub and wall mounted surrounds
2. Towers with built in subs such as Def Tech or Goldenear and wall mounted surrounds
3. On wall small low profile speakers and a sub
I wish I could take credit for the second picture, but that was when the house was staged for sale a few months ago. My wife and I brought the furniture from our old home, and haven't decided how we want to design it. I'm just trying to take care of all the audio right now because I'm finally in a place that I'm going to stay in for a while.
Best of luck man have fun! What are your audio goals anyhow for the space? Loud aggressive? Or maybe something that looks nice and willing to sacrfice on sound?
I'm looking to go in between loud aggressive and looking nice.

I was sold on a few passive sound bars, then realized that they are 62 in in length and my TV is just under 60 inches. I think it would look a bit off if the soundbar is longer than the TV.
I'm looking to go in between loud aggressive and looking nice.

I was sold on a few passive sound bars, then realized that they are 62 in in length and my TV is just under 60 inches. I think it would look a bit off if the sound bar is longer than the TV.
If you are going the sound bar route, it may be beneficial to check out BluSound. Its a product by parent company NAD. They really make some high quality stuff.

I've heard this in person with a pair REL subwoofers and it sounded fantastic.
After much research, and getting specific approval from my wife, I'm going with the following:

Fronts and Surrounds: MartinLogan 4i's
Center: MartinLogan 8i
Sub: ?
Receiver: ?

Regarding the receiver placement, I'm going to:
A: see if can get one of the shelf that's 12 in. deep
B: build a shelf above the sub that will be to the left
C: hide it in the closest behind the tv
Dont forget AVRs need a lot of air or active cooling.
That's why C is my last option. :)

That's being said, I do have an unfinished basement below this room that I could use to easily vent the hot air. I would put an inline fan at the top of the closet with ducting to the basement.
Marantz 7013 for receiver, great unit and on saw if you aren’t looking for 8k. For sub, if you want to shake your house try PSA. If you want ultra sound quality, REL is awesome.
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Voting time! After discussions with my wife, we have landed on the following two options.

1. MartinLogan 4i and 8i's - 5.1
2. MartinLogan SLM XL - 2.1 or maybe a 4.1

Here are pictures:
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Does anyone recommend one over the other?
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