[Blacklac]

I just recently bought my first Video Processor, the DVDO Edge. My display is a 50" Sammy Plasma, 1366x768. (Only accept 480p/720p/1080i res.) I have had Bluray and HD DVD well before getting my VP and I have always sent either 720p60 or 1080i60 from all my players and they all render motion nearly the exact same. (I've used Pioneer 51FD, Onkyo HD805, Toshiba A35/XA1/A2, Oppo 983...) Now that I have my VP, I send 1080p24 from my BD and HD players and let the Edge convert to 1080i60. Well, i can't believe the difference in motion, it is so much more fluid and has that "looking through a window" look to it. There's still judder, but it doesn't seem anything like watching 60fps straight from the player. I guess I really don't understand the process for converting 24fps to 60fps. Have all my BD/HD/SD players and my display all just sucked at recreating the motion or is there a different process for converting 24fps to 60fps, rather than my BD/HD players sending out 60fps? I'm just stumped and suprised at this difference. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

 

[kevivoe]

Very few HD DVD and blu-ray discs do 60 fps output. Movies are 1080p/24 and I think video (planet earth) are 1080i/60 ...


I would not set blu-ray or HD DVD players to output anything but 24 fps.

 

[miata]



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Originally Posted by Blacklac /forum/post/15485551


I just recently bought my first Video Processor, the DVDO Edge. My display is a 50" Sammy Plasma, 1366x768. (Only accept 480p/720p/1080i res.) I have had Bluray and HD DVD well before getting my VP and I have always sent either 720p60 or 1080i60 from all my players and they all render motion nearly the exact same. (I've used Pioneer 51FD, Onkyo HD805, Toshiba A35/XA1/A2, Oppo 983...) Now that I have my VP, I send 1080p24 from my BD and HD players and let the Edge convert to 1080i60. Well, i can't believe the difference in motion, it is so much more fluid and has that "looking through a window" look to it. There's still judder, but it doesn't seem anything like watching 60fps straight from the player. I guess I really don't understand the process for converting 24fps to 60fps. Have all my BD/HD/SD players and my display all just sucked at recreating the motion or is there a different process for converting 24fps to 60fps, rather than my BD/HD players sending out 60fps? I'm just stumped and suprised at this difference. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

Are you saying that the 1080i you get from the DVDO Edge is much smoother than the 1080i you get directly from the player?

 

[Blacklac]

Well, like I said, my TV only accepts 720p60/1080i60 max.


Any player outputs 1080i60/720p60 and its the same studdering image I've been used to my whole life.


Player outputs 1080p24 to Edge VP, Edge converts to 1080i60. The result is much smoother, more of that "looking through a window" view. I don't understand why that would be any different, at all. It's not placebo, it took a few movies to get used to it, then I switched my player back to output 1080p60 to the Edge ( -> 1080i60) and it was the same studdering again.

 

[miata]

I wonder if the DVDO Edge does something different i the telecine interlacing that makes it easier for your TV to pick up on the cadence and go into some kind of 24/48/72/76/120 fps mode. I have a older 1080i Loewe TV that was also very good at the fuid motion. It is kinda cool for a while, but after a while it was distracting from the film.

 

[Blacklac]

I tried the Edge outputting both 720p and 1080i, to my display, and the results were the same. Something about the Edge converting 24fps to 60fps is just different than any player outputting a 60fps signal.


Is there a different procedure from doing an actual 24fps->60fps conversion, than my player just putting out a 60fps signal from a 24fps source?

 

[online]

Have you done a double blind comparison?

 

[Blacklac]

No, I was gonna show my buddy and see if he can tell, but I forgot. I didn't even bother with my girlfriend, she couldn't even tell that ABC had a ghost images the other night...

 

[SirDrexl]

I am guessing that it's doing some kind of motion interpolation, like the 120hz TVs can do. This is not natural at all, but some people really like it.