Something must be screwed with the drivers/setup, the 8600GT has much better scaling and deinterlacing than the 7xxx series.
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8600GT is crap, back to 7600GT
Ok, I have a very big screen 4.2m wide, 2.2m high. Use a Sony Ruby. Installed a 8600gt with latest PowerDVD ultra and the 163.69-Driver under XP.
What I was expecting:
- Working PurevideoHD with Sharpening in Video-Mode possible
- Lower CPU-Utilization
- Customed timings of the Nvidia-Driver
What I got:
- Lower CPU-Utilization
- No Sharpening at all possible, on the 7600GT you can at least use the desktop-sharpening; You can move the little bar in the video optimization of the dirver, but no change neither on VMR9 nor on overlay
- No customed timing possible to store in the driver, powerstrip is as well not working with this card
- No real visible improvement in PQ compared to the 7600gt.
Am I missing anything here ? If not, than the 8600gt is clearly not advisable, a clear down-grade from the 7600gt
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UPDATE: The game changes completely under vista: With edge-anhacement enabled and PDVD uöta, you get the best picture available for HD-DVD
What I was expecting:
- Working PurevideoHD with Sharpening in Video-Mode possible
- Lower CPU-Utilization
- Customed timings of the Nvidia-Driver
What I got:
- Lower CPU-Utilization
- No Sharpening at all possible, on the 7600GT you can at least use the desktop-sharpening; You can move the little bar in the video optimization of the dirver, but no change neither on VMR9 nor on overlay
- No customed timing possible to store in the driver, powerstrip is as well not working with this card
- No real visible improvement in PQ compared to the 7600gt.
Am I missing anything here ? If not, than the 8600gt is clearly not advisable, a clear down-grade from the 7600gt
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UPDATE: The game changes completely under vista: With edge-anhacement enabled and PDVD uöta, you get the best picture available for HD-DVD
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I am not sure if scaling is needed if I am playing back a HD-DVD and de-interlacing is not needed at all, not for DVDs nor for HD-DVDs.
What I expected is that the announced sharpening post-processing does something when purevideohd shall now work. And I expexted working custom timings. I expected as well a better picture in powerdvd as the latest relase is supposed to supprt purevideohd.
What I expected is that the announced sharpening post-processing does something when purevideohd shall now work. And I expexted working custom timings. I expected as well a better picture in powerdvd as the latest relase is supposed to supprt purevideohd.
Ahh, in that case it doesn't matter what card you use. It's just decoding and displaying, nothing more. All cards would then look the same, assuming they're working properly.
Personally I wouldn't want to sharpen it beyond that, since the director has chosen a certain level of sharpness already. PurevideoHD won't (shouldn't!) do anything to pic quality, all it's doing is helping the computer with the decoding work.
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Originally Posted by multiblitz /forum/post/11678297
I am not sure if scaling is needed if I am playing back a HD-DVD and de-interlacing is not needed at all, not for DVDs nor for HD-DVDs.
Ahh, in that case it doesn't matter what card you use. It's just decoding and displaying, nothing more. All cards would then look the same, assuming they're working properly.
Personally I wouldn't want to sharpen it beyond that, since the director has chosen a certain level of sharpness already. PurevideoHD won't (shouldn't!) do anything to pic quality, all it's doing is helping the computer with the decoding work.
Yeah and with the load off of the CPU, you can use other video filters. Check the stickied thread.
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Originally Posted by arfster /forum/post/11678652
Ahh, in that case it doesn't matter what card you use. It's just decoding and displaying, nothing more. All cards would then look the same, assuming they're working properly.
Personally I wouldn't want to sharpen it beyond that, since the director has chosen a certain level of sharpness already. PurevideoHD won't (shouldn't!) do anything to pic quality, all it's doing is helping the computer with the decoding work.
Yeah and with the load off of the CPU, you can use other video filters. Check the stickied thread.
Guys, about what are you talking ?
Sorry, I don't get it.
- I told you I have a big screen. Today, there are so many hd-dvd delivered which are not sharp at all. You want sharpening in most of the cases. If you are looking at a small 100" screen: that's a different subject. I have original mastered 1080p-files from some movies like matrix and they look stunning without any sharpening, BUT most of the hd-dvds are looking soft.
- ffdsshow does not work with hd-dvd-playback, go to the doom9-forum and read the threats. As well, about what are you talking: As long as you use the graphics card for decoding and not the CPU, ffdshow is out of order. So, what do you mean by: You can use the unloaded CPU to improve the pq ?
PLUS:
If nvidia states in the 163.69 release notes:
"Added HD video post-processing for H.264, VC-1 and MPEG-2 HD content on the GeForce 8500 and 8600 series GPUs."
Andit is not working...than this is simply not acceptable.
Sorry, I don't get it.
- I told you I have a big screen. Today, there are so many hd-dvd delivered which are not sharp at all. You want sharpening in most of the cases. If you are looking at a small 100" screen: that's a different subject. I have original mastered 1080p-files from some movies like matrix and they look stunning without any sharpening, BUT most of the hd-dvds are looking soft.
- ffdsshow does not work with hd-dvd-playback, go to the doom9-forum and read the threats. As well, about what are you talking: As long as you use the graphics card for decoding and not the CPU, ffdshow is out of order. So, what do you mean by: You can use the unloaded CPU to improve the pq ?
PLUS:
If nvidia states in the 163.69 release notes:
"Added HD video post-processing for H.264, VC-1 and MPEG-2 HD content on the GeForce 8500 and 8600 series GPUs."
Andit is not working...than this is simply not acceptable.
There still isn't any PureVideo HD decoding for XP - all the best features of your card (which I also have an 8600GT and XP) is for Vista
I believe Cyberlink PowerDVD is the only Application that utilizes PureVideo HD outside of NVIDIA's PureVideo Decoder for WMP which only does Mpeg2.
Cyberlink currently still does not accelerate H.264 as far as I know. I alos believe that inorder to accelerate H.264 you have to change out the container to an avi. At that point PowerDVD will accelerate the video. That is alot of work though.
Cyberlink currently still does not accelerate H.264 as far as I know. I alos believe that inorder to accelerate H.264 you have to change out the container to an avi. At that point PowerDVD will accelerate the video. That is alot of work though.
I found my 8600GT to be a big step up from my 7900GS. Unfortunately I am currently back to the 7900GS since the 8600GT didn't actually have HDCP despite claims to the contrary. I have a new 8600GT on the way though.
That's not true. There are several working betas that enable the acceleration under XP.
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Originally Posted by UFGrayMatter /forum/post/11683237
There still isn't any PureVideo HD decoding for XP - all the best features of your card (which I also have an 8600GT and XP) is for Vista
That's not true. There are several working betas that enable the acceleration under XP.
Also, not true. PowerDVD if patched up to the latest version running the WinXP beta drivers will accelerate H.264 HD-DVDs. The CPU is usage is actually lower playing H.264 content than VC-1.
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Originally Posted by OblivionLord /forum/post/11684179
Cyberlink currently still does not accelerate H.264 as far as I know. I alos believe that inorder to accelerate H.264 you have to change out the container to an avi. At that point PowerDVD will accelerate the video. That is alot of work though.
Also, not true. PowerDVD if patched up to the latest version running the WinXP beta drivers will accelerate H.264 HD-DVDs. The CPU is usage is actually lower playing H.264 content than VC-1.
Im using the 3104a patch with PDVD 7.4 Ultra which I do believe is the latest patch for the Ultra and it does not accelrate H.264 unless you play it strickly off the Bluy ray itself.
Sorry for my lack of info given
BTW...
163.69 is the first Beta released with any video acceleration capability given for XP for the 8400,8500.8600 cards. Nothing prior.
Sorry for my lack of info given
BTW...
163.69 is the first Beta released with any video acceleration capability given for XP for the 8400,8500.8600 cards. Nothing prior.
Yes, you have to be careful buying any 8500 or 8600gt because HTCP is only an optional spec. with these models. Make sure before you buy! I almost bought a MSI card with HDMI output but I couldnt find anywere that it was HTCP. Found out that it wasnt and since I'm buying this card for BR/HD-DVD playback, it would have been very bad thing.
I ended up getting a EVGA 8600GTS instead due to the fact that all 8600GTS are required to have HTCP and the price difference between the 8600gt with HTCP and the 8600gts was almost nothing.
The heat output is not a factor for me either since I'm water cooling.
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Originally Posted by Stereodude /forum/post/11684199
I found my 8600GT to be a big step up from my 7900GS. Unfortunately I am currently back to the 7900GS since the 8600GT didn't actually have HDCP despite claims to the contrary. I have a new 8600GT on the way though.
Yes, you have to be careful buying any 8500 or 8600gt because HTCP is only an optional spec. with these models. Make sure before you buy! I almost bought a MSI card with HDMI output but I couldnt find anywere that it was HTCP. Found out that it wasnt and since I'm buying this card for BR/HD-DVD playback, it would have been very bad thing.
I ended up getting a EVGA 8600GTS instead due to the fact that all 8600GTS are required to have HTCP and the price difference between the 8600gt with HTCP and the 8600gts was almost nothing.
The heat output is not a factor for me either since I'm water cooling.
I don't know about XP, but with Vista sharping and noise reduction work fine with the 8600gts card. I use both at times, even with blu-ray and HD-dvd. It just depends on the movie and yes its with a projector. Its a personal taste thing but for me it does improves the picture. Yes even at 1080p/24.
Right now I'm using a 120 inch Diag. but I have a friend using the same on a 160" Diag. with the H81-LV.
Right now I'm using a 120 inch Diag. but I have a friend using the same on a 160" Diag. with the H81-LV.
I went with the 8600GT over the GTS because it is a good $114 + $5 shipping to have a fanless designed videocard that is slightly slower than the GTS and has HDCP. The GTS fan less designs take up 2 slots and require an extra 6 pin power plug which means extra heat over the GT.
This is what I have...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125070
These are the GTS fan less versions........
MSI GeForce 8600GTS NX8600GTS-T2D256EZ HD Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127287
GIGABYTE GV-NX86S256H GeForce 8600GTS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125063
ASUS EN8600GTS SILENT/HTDP/256M GeForce 8600GTS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121077
The MSI card is the only reasonable card even for the price however its heatsink extends towards the CPU socket which would interfere with the CPU heat sink if you're using a big heat sink for silence like the TT Blue Orb 2 which is what I'm currently using. As far as the others go.. a HTPC case is usually small and only fit MicroATX or smaller form factors which would only have just soo many slots in total. Getting a lumpy card for silence like in the case with these 3 GTS cards is a big no no if you ask me.
All in all it's a good $50 savings as well as heat and power over the GTS fan less versions. Or you can get an 8500 which is even cheaper and smaller.
This is what I have...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125070
These are the GTS fan less versions........
MSI GeForce 8600GTS NX8600GTS-T2D256EZ HD Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127287
GIGABYTE GV-NX86S256H GeForce 8600GTS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125063
ASUS EN8600GTS SILENT/HTDP/256M GeForce 8600GTS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121077
The MSI card is the only reasonable card even for the price however its heatsink extends towards the CPU socket which would interfere with the CPU heat sink if you're using a big heat sink for silence like the TT Blue Orb 2 which is what I'm currently using. As far as the others go.. a HTPC case is usually small and only fit MicroATX or smaller form factors which would only have just soo many slots in total. Getting a lumpy card for silence like in the case with these 3 GTS cards is a big no no if you ask me.
All in all it's a good $50 savings as well as heat and power over the GTS fan less versions. Or you can get an 8500 which is even cheaper and smaller.
The biggest problem is that right now nvidia is concentrating more on Vista drivers than XP.
for example NVIDIA Releases New WHQL Certified Vista Drivers
i don't think they have released an official XP version that supports GPU decoding of h264
does anyone know if ATI's XP drivers are any better.
for example NVIDIA Releases New WHQL Certified Vista Drivers
i don't think they have released an official XP version that supports GPU decoding of h264
does anyone know if ATI's XP drivers are any better.
As it does not work under XP: Can you explain to us, how it is working under vista ? Screenshots ?
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Originally Posted by Larry J /forum/post/11684527
I don't know about XP, but with Vista sharping and noise reduction work fine with the 8600gts card. I use both at times, even with blu-ray and HD-dvd. It just depends on the movie and yes its with a projector. Its a personal taste thing but for me it does improves the picture. Yes even at 1080p/24.
Right now I'm using a 120 inch Diag. but I have a friend using the same on a 160" Diag. with the H81-LV.
As it does not work under XP: Can you explain to us, how it is working under vista ? Screenshots ?
If you read the link in my post above, it says that the new WHQL drivers support post-processing of HD content.
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Originally Posted by multiblitz /forum/post/11685914
As it does not work under XP: Can you explain to us, how it is working under vista ? Screenshots ?
If you read the link in my post above, it says that the new WHQL drivers support post-processing of HD content.
I know what it says...I wanted to understand if anyone can confirm how well it works...
Ok, there is no OFFICIAL stable release. Any recommendations on a good beta for the 8600GT + XP. I actually just installed this card today.
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Originally Posted by Stereodude /forum/post/11684209
That's not true. There are several working betas that enable the acceleration under XP.
Ok, there is no OFFICIAL stable release. Any recommendations on a good beta for the 8600GT + XP. I actually just installed this card today.
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