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It’s been a couple of years since I’ve posted but I’ve been reading these forums for quite some time now. It is just a wealth of information and I am thankful for stumbling upon it a few years back. I am posting today because I am FINALLY in the PLANNING stages for fixing up and furnishing our already-finished 1,200 SF basement. When we moved in 3 years ago – as any man would be - I was excited to get moving on the basement with a sick A/V set up. However, we’ve had countless other priorities and, well, after $100K in renovations, repairs, replacements and upgrades, I still have yet to put a DIME into the basement! Good things come to those who wait, right? I’ve spent the last few weeks touching up the bare white walls with spackle and primer, tearing out the baseboards, cutting out some damaged drywall and tightening up the stairwell and treads a bit. I am slowly attacking this basement and if it takes me 2 or 3 years to complete it, so be it. At this juncture my wife and I are deciding how and where to lay everything out (bar/counters, refrigerators, etc.) and I need a little advice on the audio/video end of things to get me started. Yes, the location of EVERYTHING ELSE revolves around where I decide to put the screen (or the TV) as options are quite limited. Let’s face it, the A/V system will be the most important thing down in the basement!


In recent months I have been reading about PJs on this board and I can say that I am leaning hard in the direction of a projector in the $2K range (something along the lines of a BenQ W7000 or a JVC – I am not even CLOSE to deciding on that at this time). In this first picture, I am actually standing under a drywall bulkhead (that houses ductwork) and I am facing the wall that I think I would like to project on. The distance between the window (left) and the little bump out on the right is approximately 13.75 ft (165 inches). Plenty big. The wall is standard 8’ high.




This second photo is a shot I took standing with my back to the wall that I would project onto – looking back at where I would install my PJ. Just for reference, the bottom of that bulkhead is 80” off the floor and it extends up to another 14-15” to the ceiling.




I could hang the PJ from the ceiling with the rear of the PJ unit butting right up next to the bulkhead (which would result in a 12’ throw at that point) OR I could make a cut-out in the side of the bulkhead (which I have seen done here on the forums) and set the PJ up in the cut-out and gain another foot or so of distance – say maybe 13’ or 13’ 5”. I got extremely lucky because that side of the bulkhead has no ductwork in the way, which is what this 3rd picture shows from inside the bulkhead (I was able to get this shot because I have cut out a section of the bottom of the bulkhead where the previous owner overflowed a toilet and leaked through the ceiling).




Let me also say that the power/cables/HDMI’s for the projector (and other speaker wires) would run thru this bulkhead into a storage room about 7 feet away where I will have my equipment rack. I would like the equipment rack to be in-wall style and I plan on building that myself as well.

The projector calculator is telling me that for a 12’ 6” throw – for say a BenQ W7000 – I would be looking at a diagonal screen size of about 88”. As I said before, if I can set it back in a cut out in the bulkhead I MAY be able to stretch it to 13’ 5” or so which would take me up to the low 90’s for diagonal screen size. I do not have the option of hanging a PJ any further away from the wall (underneath the bulkhead) because it would obviously be hanging way too low.

This last photo is a snapshot of my basement layout and for the sake of getting it on here tonight, I just hand wrote in some of the details that relate to my initial vision for the A/V system.




With all of that said, my questions are as follows:


1) What is the typical/recommended height that PJ’s are mounted in a situation like this for projection on an 8’H wall? Would a PJ mounted at a height of 84”-85” still work if I were to put it in a cut out halfway up the bulkhead and have a throw ranging from 12’ 6” to 13’ 6”?


2)I am perfectly fine with a diagonal screen size of 88” – 93” but would I still get the same quality of picture - 2D & 3D – with a throw that short? Is that generally considered too short for most projectors on the market today? (I am CLUELESS when it come to projectors)


I do have one other option for the PJ and that is to put the screen on the adjacent wall but the width of that wall is much smaller. I would also lose an incredible amount of opportunity to run my cables/wires/speaker wires through my bulkhead and into my storage room where I would like my equipment rack (due to power sources available in there).


The last option would be to stick to buying a flat screen around 65” in size but who the heck wants to do that?



Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated.


P.S. Does anyone know of any good A/V techs in the MD/DC area that would be willing to come out and see what I have and give me professional advice as to what can be done and what cannot? I've got one hell of a challenge wiring the front and center channel in-wall speakers (since the walls are finished) and that one really has me boggled...
 

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Originally Posted by AnnapolisSony  /t/1451113/and-so-begins-the-904-wm...sic-advice-needed-on-projectors#post_22813532



1) What is the typical/recommended height that PJ’s are mounted in a situation like this for projection on an 8’H wall? Would a PJ mounted at a height of 84”-85” still work if I were to put it in a cut out halfway up the bulkhead and have a throw ranging from 12’ 6” to 13’ 6”?


2)I am perfectly fine with a diagonal screen size of 88” – 93” but would I still get the same quality of picture - 2D & 3D – with a throw that short? Is that generally considered too short for most projectors on the market today? (I am CLUELESS when it come to projectors)

Use the projector calculators (projectorcentral.com) to figure out throw distances and screen sizes for any projector you're looking at. Then check the manuals of those projectors to see about any limitations regarding mounting height above the screen edge. I'm going to say though, that with an 8' ceiling max you shouldn't have any trouble by putting the projector as high as you can...
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P.S. Does anyone know of any good A/V techs in the MD/DC area that would be willing to come out and see what I have and give me professional advice as to what can be done and what cannot? I've got one hell of a challenge wiring the front and center channel in-wall speakers (since the walls are finished) and that one really has me boggled...

You need to check to see what Jeff (BIGmouthinDC) charges for a consultation... And pay it.


Jeff (different Jeff)
 

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Jautor:


Thanks so much for the reply. I pulled the manual on the BenQ W7000 (just as a reference) and, after converting from everything from mm, found that for a 90" diag screen the min throw would be 10.5' (127"), average is about 13.25' (159" - right in my wheelhouse if I tucked the PJ up in the bulkhead) and max is 15.8' (190"). For a 100" diag, the min throw is 11.75' (141"), average is 14.6' (176") and max is 17.6' (212").


I am a little confused though by the far right column of the chart on page 14 titled Lowest/Highest Lens Position. Here is the link: http://www.projectorcentral.com/pdf/projector_manual_6743.pdf . For the 90" diag it says 140mm and for the 100" diag it says 156mm. Call me crazy but when you convert those numbers, they come to 5.51" and 6.14" respectively? Did they make a mistake and these numbers are really listed in inches (not mm) and they would convert to 11.6' and 13'?? Logic tells me that 11.6' and 13' would be close to a maximum height for a PJ? If not, can someone clarify what these numbers mean? Like I said, I am clueless when it comes to projectors but am trying to learn.



I have read many posts/responses by BigMouthinDC and it would appear that he is one the most well-respected members on these boards and he has built some awesome HTs
Although I am not building a HT per say, I would love to have someone of his caliber take a look at my basement and offer his advice. I just want to do this basement right and I need to make some major A/V decisions now so I can plan accordingly for other areas. I don't know of any local experts in this area and God knows what I am going to find if I just pull companies off of the internet!


The good news is that it does look more and more like a PJ is going to be possible (from the data above). This would eliminate me having to mount a big flat screen on the wall (which will be out-of-date in 2 years anyway) and wrestle with fishing HDMI's through finished walls and moving power and cable outlets up into position. The thing that has me most perplexed is how I am going to run speaker wire from the equipment rack (storage room) to the in-wall fronts and center speakers that would be mounted on either side and below the screen. Those are the details that I need to talk with a pro about! Lots of questions. We'll see if Jeff chimes in to this post!
 

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Originally Posted by AnnapolisSony  /t/1451113/and-so-begins-the-904-wm...sic-advice-needed-on-projectors#post_22814691


I am a little confused though by the far right column of the chart on page 14 titled Lowest/Highest Lens Position. Here is the link: http://www.projectorcentral.com/pdf/projector_manual_6743.pdf . For the 90" diag it says 140mm and for the 100" diag it says 156mm. Call me crazy but when you convert those numbers, they come to 5.51" and 6.14" respectively? Did they make a mistake and these numbers are really listed in inches (not mm) and they would convert to 11.6' and 13'?? Logic tells me that 11.6' and 13' would be close to a maximum height for a PJ? If not, can someone clarify what these numbers mean? Like I said, I am clueless when it comes to projectors but am trying to learn.

No, that's actually correct. That measurement "E" is the highest (for ceiling mounting) the lens can be ABOVE the top edge of the screen. So if your screen is mounted 12" below the ceiling, for example, the projector lens cannot be higher than 6-7" from the ceiling. Yeah, the diagram is a bit confusing.


That is a normal projector limitation and one to pay attention to - as most of us need to mount the PJ fairly high relative to the screen so that it doesn't get damaged by heads hitting it (might hurt, too, but that's not important...
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I have read many posts/responses by BigMouthinDC and it would appear that he is one the most well-respected members on these boards and he has built some awesome HTs
Although I am not building a HT per say, I would love to have someone of his caliber take a look at my basement and offer his advice. I just want to do this basement right and I need to make some major A/V decisions now so I can plan accordingly for other areas. I don't know of any local experts in this area and God knows what I am going to find if I just pull companies off of the internet!

Bribe him to come. I hear a good bourbon and ice cream work. (not necessarily together)
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The good news is that it does look more and more like a PJ is going to be possible (from the data above). This would eliminate me having to mount a big flat screen on the wall (which will be out-of-date in 2 years anyway) and wrestle with fishing HDMI's through finished walls and moving power and cable outlets up into position. The thing that has me most perplexed is how I am going to run speaker wire from the equipment rack (storage room) to the in-wall fronts and center speakers that would be mounted on either side and below the screen. Those are the details that I need to talk with a pro about! Lots of questions. We'll see if Jeff chimes in to this post!

I'm sure he can help with fishing cables, or showing you where to swing the hammer and who's a good drywall guy. If you're concerned about a flat screen being out of date in two years, you probably don't want to look at the price/performance curves of projectors over the last few years...
And we've got LED and 4K coming. Don't buy one until you're absolutely ready to install it, make sure you have your mounting as flexible as possible (avoid extremes that will restrict you to a specific PJ if at all possible), then put it up and enjoy it. Don't read any more projector reviews until it dies.



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I would recommend using PVC conduit so you can run future cables if you ever decide to upgrade your or at least a pulley system since it is nice and open. Maybe run a closeline type of pulley in there since it appears you have plenty of room.
 

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I would recommend using PVC conduit so you can run future cables if you ever decide to upgrade your or at least a pulley system since it is nice and open. Maybe run a closeline type of pulley in there since it appears you have plenty of room.

Flex conduit is always a good idea. With open access to ceiling spaces, a toy crossbow or tennis ball with a string tied to it works... (there are "pro" versions of both of those!)
 

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Flex conduit is always a good idea. With open access to ceiling spaces, a toy crossbow or tennis ball with a string tied to it works... (there are "pro" versions of both of those!)

Only thing with flex conduit is that it's not always flat. Either or would work..
 

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Thank you for clearing up that lens positioning issue for me Jeff. If you can't tell, I am absorbing info like a sponge
Ideally, I'd like to get my wiring "plan" ironed out for things like my projector, front/center/rear speakers, subwoofer, equipment rack, etc. Once I confirm that I (or an installer) can physically get wiring over and thru certain ceilings and walls, I will then have some direction. That's really what I need a consultant for. I am definitely handy enough to tackle a lot of the "fishing" and wiring myself but I won't know where to make my wall cut-outs for things like my fronts and my center channel until I know the exact size/location of the screen (I see a lot of blue masking tape in my future
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I had to laugh at your comment about reading projector reviews because I spent about 2 hrs. yesterday reading many reviews on this site. I can definitely say that I will not be purchasing a projector in the next six months (or maybe longer)...so I will be sure to scour the boards for the latest technologies before I make my final decision (and opinions because this place isn't short on them).


Lepus, the flex conduit suggestion is an excellent idea as well. As you can see from one of the pics above, I have a large section (approx 4' X 8') of the bulkhead opened up right now (plus there is a small access hatch on the opposite end) so I will eventually install some sort of a pulley system in there before it all gets patched back up. This would allow me to pull cables from the proposed PJ location to my equipment rack and from my proposed rear speaker locations (bottom of the bulkhead) back to the equipment rack. I have also discovered another bulkhead (it only hangs down about 6" from ceiling) that is accessible from the storage room. It would allow me to run wires from my equipment rack to the front wall (noted in my updated sketch below - both bulkheads highlighted in yellow now). I can get wires up thru that smaller bulkhead but then when I hit the front wall I won't be able to move down the wall and then horizontally across (towards the screen) unless I cut into drywall and drill thru studs. Another alternative to get speaker wire to the front wall would be to go above the ceiling between the joists (center of the room - access starting from the large bulkhead) but I'm not sure I'd be able to make the turn down towards the floor. If I could get down the front wall (say at dead center of the screen) I would still have to move horizontally in each direction for the L and R front speakers which would still mean removal of drywall. When working with finished walls such as I am, do installers normally cut strips (or large sections) of drywall for running cables/wire horizontally and then just replace/patch when finished? Is that the norm? Cables/speaker wire are just too thick to try to run these things together underneath the baseboards or under the carpet.


I am also planning to demo the 18" X 12" box around the 3.5" lally column. Not sure what the previous owner was thinking going that big around it. As luck would have it, on the back side is an outlet which I will have my electrician route back up thru the bulkhead and into the storage room for more power (or for the PJ power). I have to assume that it is against code to install an outlet inside my bulkhead to plug my projector into. Do installers often hard wire these projectors if the standard issue power cord is not long enough to reach the final destination?


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Are you planning on making your screen retractable into a hidden area? If so you could use 1"x1" timber and create a false bulk head above your screen and house some pot lights, and then fish the speaker wires into the wall. Don't forget a hookup for your sub woofer.
 

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Lepus, I haven't even thought about the type of screen yet!
But, the suggestion sounds like a great idea that probably wouldn't cost that much to do. I'll add her to the list of options on the table for sure. Since it is not a dedicated HT room per say, it might be cool to have the option of making that screen go away. My wife might even go for that as well.


Jeff, I just clicked on your theater link in your sig and words absolutely fail me. What a awesome home and theater! Read a little about your opening weekend in the theater. Good stuff.
 

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Greetings,


I hope you don't mind if I tag along for the journey. Looks like you have a great space to work with for sure. Having met Jeff (BigmouthinDC Jeff not jautor Jeff) in person and his work first hand I can second Jeff's (jautor Jeff not BigmouthinDC Jeff's) suggestion to get Jeff (BigmouthinDC Jeff not jantor Jeff) involved in at least a consult. I think all of that made sense. Money spent on a consult would be money well spent. Getting jautor involved is good as well, lets face it, his theater is no slouch either.


It looks like you are going to steer clear of a big mistake I see a lot of people make that start out. Many purchase equipment up front and then take two to three years to finish the theater and the equipment they have is outdated. I continued to keep an eye on all things electronic during my build so I had a rough idea of the equipment I wanted. Early on in my build I tried to nail down where I wanted to mount the PJ and that drove me to at least including PJ's with lens shift and some mounting flexibility. My equipment "short list" changed multiple times through my build. Save the money for equipment until the end.


Good luck and welcome to madness.


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I hope you don't mind if I tag along for the journey. Looks like you have a great space to work with for sure. Having met Jeff (BigmouthinDC Jeff not jautor Jeff) in person and his work first hand I can second Jeff's (jautor Jeff not BigmouthinDC Jeff's) suggestion to get Jeff (BigmouthinDC Jeff not jantor Jeff) involved in at least a consult. I think all of that made sense. Money spent on a consult would be money well spent. Getting jautor involved is good as well, lets face it, his theater is no slouch either.

Wait, wait, wait... If I'm him and he's me, then who are you. again? I'm confused...



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I thought What was on first and Who was on second. Now I'm confused.


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RTRose, Thanks for dropping by on the post. I am thankful for this forum because I know people here will tell me if I am going about something in the wrong manner, taking the wrong approach, etc. The best advice is from people who can offer it based on their own experiences!


The one thing I have to keep telling myself is that this is not going to be a dedicated Home Theater in my basement. It is a good size area and my wife and I are really trying to keep it more of a “liveable” space especially since we have two young children 4 & 7. Might be more appropriate to call it my basement Media Room I suppose?
For the time being, the small side of the basement is where we are housing the children’s toys (sort of been designated their space). I plan to put together a little 8 x 4 train table for my 4-year old son late this winter so that will surely keep him entertained on the other side while Daddy slowly works on the “other” half. With all of the said, I have always wanted a TV (larger than 65") down there with a powerful sound system where I can escape to watch a movie with the kids, watch a movie with my lovely wife or watch movies/big sporting events with family and friends. I have a great little system in my family room that I am more than happy with but the idea is to take it up a notch for this one. The other thing to be said here is that I am going to go with what a lot of people around here would consider “middle of the road” components and speakers. The reason for that is that I can be more than happy - in fact blown away - with middle-of-the-road gear and I am not in competition with anyone but myself! I guess if I spend $2K-$2500 on a PJ then that too would be considered “middle of the road” around here on the forums!
I certainly do not want to break the bank with A/V on this project because it is also a priority for us to put in many other amenities like some nice cabinets/bar/counter top, microwave, refrigerator, wine refrigerator etc. When everything is in and painted, the last thing I will be doings is pulling the carpet and replacing with new. That alone will run me $4K (ouch). I would also like to include my nice dart board cabinet, a portable poker table, an in-wall aquarium and some other fun things further down the road. There is a long wall that I am potentially “eyeing up” for a shuffleboard table but I can guarantee that will not be on the “approved list” until EVERY SINGLE THING THAT MY WIFE WANTS - FURNITURE WISE - is purchased.
Rome wasn’t built in a day, right?!


So, this past weekend I actually made some great progress with some of my A/V decisions/plans despite all of the football that I watched:

Screen Size


I have committed 100% to a 92” diag. screen size (16:9) - 45” X 80”. I put these dimensions up on the wall (leveled and squared) with blue painters tape this weekend and the size is absolutely perfect for the room. As I mentioned before, I am planning to put a cut-out in the existing bulkhead which will have its own outlet and will house the PJ. Throw will range from 12’ 6” to 13’ 3” depending on how far back I set the PJ in the cut-out box that my wonderful drywall contractor will build. I did a bunch of research this weekend (looked at a bunch of manuals for recommended projectors in the $2K price range) and I think this screen size is a very safe bet for me. Sure, I could probably go 100” or so but my C speaker would be on the floor. Screen height is at 81” now and I don’t want to go any higher than that. Plus with 2 ¼”of MDF and 3” of Hardwood casing around it, it all tops out at 86 ¼” – giving me only about 12” to the ceiling.

Screen Type


I have done a lot of crown molding and wainscoting in my houses over the years so I am quite handy when it comes to trim and moldings. After reading countless threads on DIY Screens, there is no reason why I cannot build my own and save myself some money. Plus, I get exactly what I want. I have what I think is a good plan underway thanks to many threads on AVS and I’m looking forward to getting started. I feel like I have to construct my screen now…so I can plan where the fronts and center channel speakers will be...so I can make sure that I have my cut-outs/wiring in the right place. I have ordered the Triple Velvet already and it looks like I will wrap/staple it around primed MDF casing (9/16” x 2 ¼”) instead of the wider base MDF that many people on the forums have used for their screens (I think it is 3.5” thick). This will then be surrounded by a hardwood fluted casing (7/16” x 3”) with hardwood rosette blocks on the four corners (the fluted casing will match the trim color that the wife has selected for the baseboards, windows, etc). I have decided to paint the screen on the wall and I am in the process of PMing a few select forum members that have a great deal of knowledge in this particular area. I have a few specific questions about wall prep, priming, rolling, etc. (Mississippi Man is one of them). Leaning towards the Glidden Diamond 450 Titanium White (in Velvet Matte) right now but that could change. If my calculations are correct, I should be able to build this screen for about $125 or $150 and that’s assuming I have to buy a gallon of paint at $50 or so (they don’t sell quarts apparently). This one seems like a no-brainer.

Wiring Speakers


The other decision I made this weekend is that I am going to stick with a simple 5.1 surround format in my basement (I know, I know). I have a little 5.1 system in my family room upstairs and it is surprisingly impressive (55” SONY Bravia XBR, Mirage Nanosats, 8” sub, Onkyo receiver, Blu-ray, Sonos, etc). Put on the Dave Matthews / Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City Music Hall Blu-ray and I can literally blow my guests out of the room (for those you looking for INCREDIBLE quality audio, you need to buy that Blu-ray and check it out). So back to wiring the basement. This weekend I found an access hatch halfway down the front wall directly below the small bulkhead that I am using to fish my speaker wires from the storage room to the front wall. Amazing luck. I also decided that I am going to cut the bottom 4” of my drywall out (in 24” sections) along the front wall. This will allow me to fish/run the speaker wires horizontally across that wall and then I’ll just fish them up at the appropriate speaker locations with my tape. I am putting back 5 ¼” OG baseboards throughout the basement so I can just cut strips of drywall to fill in what I cut out and not worry about having to technically “finish” it. The rear in-ceiling speakers will be a breeze as well as I already have the bulkhead opened up. The end of the bulkhead dumps right into the storage room right above the location of my equipment shelf. I’ve got speaker wire coming from Monoprice so that will most likely be my task next weekend. I’ve really got to commit to speakers soon so I am in the process of sorting that out now.

Speakers


As much as I would LOVE to have some nice powerful tower speakers for my L & R fronts, I have decided to go in-wall. For my rears I have decided to go in-ceiling right up underneath the large bulkhead. 1) it would be overkill to have towers in the room, and 2) in-wall will look MUCH better IMO. My wife wants to be spared from big towering speakers and I actually agree with her 100% (in this scenario). We also have children over frequently and can just see my son’s little buddy aggressively tipping over a $500 tower speaker. There will be nothing on the floor (furniture wise) below the screen so putting a couple of tower speakers there just won’t look right IMO. Although Polk is sometimes considered a “middle-of-the-road” speaker company now, I am heavily leaning towards Polks. Polk 265RT’s for my L & R and a 255C-RT for the Center (just below the screen). At this juncture, I have not yet ordered the speakers but am getting close. I have read some very good reviews online about these speakers and I think they will work fine for what I need down there. Also looking at the Polk DSW Pro 550wi which is moderately-priced 10” sub that will more than get the job done down there. I love the fact that it can be down-firing or front-firing. Rears, I am strongly considering a pair of Polk RC80i’s. Great reviews on multiple sites and they are moderately priced at $139. If anyone out there knows of better options for in-wall speakers out there in the same price range or recommends against going with some or all of these Polks, I am all ears. Enlighten me.

Equipment Rack/Shelf


This weekend I completely changed my mind and decided that I would build the in-wall shelf on a completely different wall of the storage room. It will be built on the other side of the hot water heater so I don’t have the rack located between the heater and the door. If I were to build my rack in the original location and something were to go wrong with my HWH, I’d have to dismantle the shelf/rack (not to mention unhooking all of my components) to get a new HWH in there. Not worth the risk.


Tonight when I get home I’ll post a shot of the equipment rack/shelf location and the screen location. I plan to trim out the front of the in-wall shelf with the same 3" fluted casing (and Rosette blocks) that I am using for the screen. They should complement each other pretty well IMO.


I welcome all criticism and comments that you might have. After all, I am putting all of this info up here so that I can learn the do’s and dont's from others.
 

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Shot of proposed equipment rack/shelf and screen location from bottom of stairs.



Another shot of screen from left side



Shot of proposed PJ location at 85"H (bulkhead still needs to be notched out) - marked with blue X



Bulkhead that I opened up due to damaged drywall by previous owner. 8 ft. from left to right if you can believe that and it stretches across the width of my basement 20+ feet or so.



Still mulling things over. Starting to seriously re-think in-wall speakers. My family room set up is DIRECTLY above where I am doing this basement media room (same wall too) and I'm concerned that sound may shoot up the walls more so with in-walls even if the walls are well insulated. I also know how much how much better quality and deep rich sound I can get out of tower speakers and a nice center.
Taking a deep breath to research more and weigh out the options. Plenty of time.
 

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A couple more things. If yo are doing a painted screen (I did) you can wait to see if the 92" diagonal is actually the "right" size for you. I experimented with several screen sizes before I decided. On the PJ location mount. Why make it any more difficult than you have to. Why not just build a shelf on the bulkhead to place the PJ on and that way you don't have to perform major surgery on the bulkhead. Plus if you place the PJ back in the bulkhead you could cause cooling issues. On the speaker front I will always try to suggest other options other than inwall speakers. If you have to you have to, but there are so many compromises you have to make sonically and typically only the truly "high end" inwalls make the best use of materials/design to minimize the issues. Plus if you did want to ever go bigger with the screen you won't be limited by speaker location.


Looks like you are trying to take all things into consideration. A very good thing.


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If you are doing a painted screen (I did) you can wait to see if the 92" diagonal is actually the "right" size for you. I experimented with several screen sizes before I decided.

Great suggestion. I'll most likely stay at 92" because if I go any bigger, I would have limited room (height-wise) for some sort of a media stand below the screen (I would need something for a large center speaker). I will most likely paint a screen area a touch smaller than the width/height of my proposed trim plan so I still have that option to increase size further down the road.
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On the PJ location mount. Why make it any more difficult than you have to. Why not just build a shelf on the bulkhead to place the PJ on and that way you don't have to perform major surgery on the bulkhead. Plus if you place the PJ back in the bulkhead you could cause cooling issues.

Another great suggestion. Last night I looked around online and found many great options. I'll definitely be shelfing it off of the bulkhead. I will lose about a foot but I'll still be able to go 92". Ran into some info last night in a posts talking about the need for projectors to breath. No sense in spending that money for a knockout only to have a PJ burnout on me.

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On the speaker front I will always try to suggest other options other than inwall speakers. If you have to you have to, but there are so many compromises you have to make sonically and typically only the truly "high end" inwalls make the best use of materials/design to minimize the issues. Plus if you did want to ever go bigger with the screen you won't be limited by speaker location.

I am seriously re-thinking this one. As I am a big Polk fan, I'd consider a pair of Polk RTi A7's for the fronts, CSi A6 for center and stick with in-ceiling rears. I am going to lay off the speaker thing for the time being and try to focus on building my in-wall equipment rack and demoing out my drywall around my lally column!
 

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I'm watching this one.



I've got a few varying suggestions, but I don't want to intrude if you think you have a plan firmly laid out at this point.


But I'll relate this.....


..........using a Polk CSi A6 "OVER" the top of the Screen and angled effectively toward the general seating area, and maintaining as large a screen as possible is what you really, REALLY want to do here. A "under the Screen' position is just so wrong on so many levels.


All other considerations would be "Kiss yer Sis" propositions, affecting performance, cosmetics, and run contrary to well known and accepted design.
 

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^^^^Hey there MM. I see you are still cruising around AVS once in a while.
I visit the Epson 8350 thread but you rarely make any appearances anymore. I gather you are still doing well?


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Last night I decided that I am going 100-inch. If you’re gonna do it, DO IT. Many people have given me some good advice here on the forum and I’m going to listen to them. Got my nose back into some manuals online last night for some of the PJs that fall into my price range (Panny 8000,7000, Epson 5010 and others). It looks like I am still good with a 100-inch even with a 11' - 12' throw. My exact throw is yet TBD because the PJ will be backed up against the bulkhead (on a shelf). So the depth of the actual PJ I go with will ultimately determine it. I REALLY like the pros on the Epson 5010 by the way...seems that this PJ may suit me well. I've got some time.


Today I drew out the new screen scenario (below) so I could see it to scale before I tape it up on the wall. As you can see, I don’t have much room for adjustment (floor to ceiling) anymore - with a 100" screen - particularly if I want to use the CSi A6 in my set up. Wish I had a 9' ceiling down there but I don't. Trying to get the screen as low as possible but also keep it high enough to be able to accommodate the CC speaker. If I stick to my plan for the 5.25" trim around a DIY screen, I lose 10.5" vertically. I’d rather the CC speaker not block any part of the surrounding trim and in this scenario it would not. I guess the other option is to just buy a fixed frame projection screen and scrap the trim idea. Another option that I am mulling over now.
Trim on those fixed screens are typically 2" thick so I'd gain 3.25" on the top and bottom - 6.5" overall vertically.



If my wife and I can find a piece of furniture or a low media stand-type piece around 22”-23” H to put the CC speaker on, it should work out just fine. For the sake of the sketch, I just dumped in a 5 1/2 -foot long piece of furniture approx. 22” H. The speaker would be sitting at 22”-30” in height. Hell, the top of the A5’s are at 39”. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one with a CC speaker this low? This speaker is a MONSTER and mounting above the screen would not be aesthetic-pleasing to me (and I sure know what my wife would say). We want this room to be an ordinary living space that just so happens to have a 100-inch projection screen in it and a kick-ass speaker system to boot!



Speaker update: Leaning towards RTi A5 for the fronts...


CSi A6 for Center...


...still mulling over timbre-matched rears...and subs. Many are saying stay away from Polk for subs...need alternatives but have plenty of time on my side. Please enlighten me if you have suggestions/comments about anything...

 
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