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Just wanted to point out a NEW screen option for those folks fortunate enough to be within driving distance of Menards.


Menard's is carrying a new 1/4" hardboard laminated/coated on both sides with white melamine. screen size is 49" x 97".


The coating is very uniform and comparible to sintra. (it is however 2x the weight of sintra...but 4x less weight the 1/2" MDF)


It is in my opinion a superior option to both the wilsonart laminate and also thrifty white... as it is a more solid and self supporting option then both. I also find the coating to be thicker and more durable than thrifty white.


oh... and the cost is mighty nice indeed... at approximately $25 for a sheet.


i'll post a part number after my next visit.
 

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Just wanted to point out a NEW screen option for those folks fortunate enough to be within driving distance of Menards.


Menard's is carrying a new 1/4" hardboard laminated/coated on both sides with white melamine. screen size is 49" x 97".


The coating is very uniform and comparible to sintra. (it is however 2x the weight of sintra...but 4x less weight the 1/2" MDF)


It is in my opinion a superior option to both the wilsonart laminate and also thrifty white... as it is a more solid and self supporting option then both. I also find the coating to be thicker and more durable than thrifty white.


oh... and the cost is mighty nice indeed... at approximately $25 for a sheet.


i'll post a part number after my next visit.

But will it perform better than Wilsonart laminate?



Time for a shootout.
 

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But will it perform better than Wilsonart laminate?



Time for a shootout.

I'm pretty darn sure PB is mentioning it as a "To be Painted Upon" material. Frankly, no "White" is either a better performing surface than a advanced Painted surface, no can it ever remotely be considered as appropriate but for very limited viewing parameters.


I now state, and maintain strongly that WA-DW is not, nor ever has been anything but a "seemingly" convenient white surface that has always held some pretty "inconvenient" considerations. Yes...it's a good surface for totally dark rooms and High contrast PJ shooting onto it under those conditions. But basically...that's it.


Also, it's brittle.....and it's surface does not hold up well under any cleaning that is any way aggressive out of necessity.


It requires a Frame that must be meticulously built, and that usually winds up costing almost as much as the WA-DW itself. That also tends to make it heavier than is necessary.


Many stalwart CRT owners, those who use WA-DW as a viable alternative to a Stewart ST120, do swear by it....justifiably so...however you won't find many such folks viewing anything except under ideal conditions. CRT owners treasure their Black levels, and will not abide having them wash out.


Turn out that LIGHT!


Close that Door, PLEASE!!!


Back to the question at hand...if the new material is not glossy enough to hot spot, and a screen size is desired at/under 100" diagonal, the new material just might make using "as is" WA-DW into a wholly diminutive "has been" idea.


But unless it (...the Menards material...) can be special ordered in much larger sizes, and if Sintra cannot be found and acquired, then yessir, WA-DW can be an excellent choice.



If.....you paint something worthy on it.



Blasst, be assured I'm not even pickin' at your post...it's just that with my years of Screen Making experience under my belt, I simply cannot even consider using anything that presents more issues, potential or actual, than the performance and ease of application it offers.


Makes no sense to me at all.


I realize and understand the gist and intent behind your post, and it's benign intentions, it's just I saw an opportunity to "sez it like it outta be said..." that's all. That's me.
 

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Before blowing it off, consider that it might be a very good, inexpensive substrate for spraying. I'm thinking of folks who either can't buy your recommended sign-making substrates in their hometowns or can only get them at outrageous prices.
 

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Before blowing it off, consider that it might be a very good, inexpensive substrate for spraying. I'm thinking of folks who either can't buy your recommended sign-making substrates in their hometowns or can only get them at outrageous prices.


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Unless you are refering specifically to WA-DW, I'm ot sure where you got the impression I'm not supporting the promise the new Menards material represents. The only seemingly negative comments I made were regarding WA-DW's fragility, it's need to be effectively mounted and it's failings regarding any degree of ambient light tolerance. These items all gell together, especially considering that the majority of WA-DW advocates buy the stiff as a "hang & Shoot" material.


But I did state that any of the aforementioned materials can serve as viable substrates for painting.


And...only Sintra and WA-DW come in larger sizes than 4' x 8'


So........if one cannot access Sintra, WA-DW may well be the only remaining choice left besides over-sized BOC.
 

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But will it perform better than Wilsonart laminate?



Time for a shootout.
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I'm pretty darn sure PB is mentioning it as a "To be Painted Upon" material. Frankly, no "White" is either a better performing surface than a advanced Painted surface, no can it ever remotely be considered as appropriate but for very limited viewing parameters.


I now state, and maintain strongly that WA-DW is not, nor ever has been anything but a "seemingly" convenient white surface that has always held some pretty "inconvenient" considerations. Yes...it's a good surface for totally dark rooms and High contrast PJ shooting onto it under those conditions. But basically...that's it.


Also, it's brittle.....and it's surface does not hold up well under any cleaning that is any way aggressive out of necessity.


It requires a Frame that must be meticulously built, and that usually winds up costing almost as much as the WA-DW itself. That also tends to make it heavier than is necessary.


Many stalwart CRT owners, those who use WA-DW as a viable alternative to a Stewart ST120, do swear by it....justifiably so...however you won't find many such folks viewing anything except under ideal conditions. CRT owners treasure their Black levels, and will not abide having them wash out.


Turn out that LIGHT!


Close that Door, PLEASE!!!


Back to the question at hand...if the new material is not glossy enough to hot spot, and a screen size is desired at/under 100" diagonal, the new material just might make using "as is" WA-DW into a wholly diminutive "has been" idea.


But unless it (...the Menards material...) can be special ordered in much larger sizes, and if Sintra cannot be found and acquired, then yessir, WA-DW can be an excellent choice.



If.....you paint something worthy on it.



Blasst, be assured I'm not even pickin' at your post...it's just that with my years of Screen Making experience under my belt, I simply cannot even consider using anything that presents more issues, potential or actual, than the performance and ease of application it offers.


Makes no sense to me at all.


I realize and understand the gist and intent behind your post, and it's benign intentions, it's just I saw an opportunity to "sez it like it outta be said..." that's all. That's me.


MM,


And you did a fine job while the opportunity showed itself.



I appreciate the feedback.


I've been shooting on a WA-DW 116" 16:9 with masking, with no paint job, and of course I can make my room almost pitch black if needed. I played around with a couple of mixtures a few years ago and never got the results I wanted.


MM, if you ever get out to So.Cal then you have an invite to paint a screen for me.


 

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Well, that 2.35:1'er looks really great. Getting some ambient light performance out of it would seem to be the only thing it might need. That's a fact.

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MM,


And you did a fine job while the opportunity showed itself.



I appreciate the feedback.


MM, if you ever get out to So.Cal then you have an invite to paint a screen for me.

That might come back to haunt you well before Halloween gets here.



I have a upcoming jaunt into Beverly Hills where I'm painting two big Tab Tensioned Retractables,(122" & 135") one for a Theater and another for a humongous Mstr Bedroom. This is a 2yr old project....seems like 4 yrs though.



While in So.Cal I'll be stopping by to see CMRA down in San Diego. ALWAYS do.
After all, it was the Camera Man who first goaded and encouraged me to take the DIY Screen Making art to higher levels. Well...also because he always stocks up on good Beer when I say I'm headed down that way.
Love that Anchor Steam!


If indeed your location lies anywhere between LA and SAN-D, I'll call that bluff.

I'll bring my Mighty Wagster....you supply the BBQ & Beer....and the paint, and I'll knock one out for you in just under 4 hours.


You gotta clean up the mess though......
 

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Well Hank, if you go back to the first sentence in PBs starting post, you'll make note that the product in question is a Menards exclusive.


Leastwise at this juncture. A search shows it's Mfg, "Dakota Panel" to be a South Dakota company. Limited distribution to one specific Company is often the case.


Hey! Kinda does make it somewhat easier to consider "blowin' it off"....eh?
 

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MississippiMan. With this new material sent from the gods; Spray and pray or prime with a mime?


According to the mfg whom I spoke with at length last week, it has a Matte surface w/no gloss. Being melamine like Thifty White Hardboard, it to does not necessarily need priming, however using a primer designed to "Grip" onto smooth surfaces can only result in a more durable, scratch resistant finish.


It's simply another version of TWH available at another location, one who did not previously off a similar product. With one exception. Being Matte white, it may well serve as a "Hang & shoot" item like Doable....and like Doable, be limited in Distribution.
 

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According to the mfg whom I spoke with at length last week, it has a Matte surface w/no gloss. Being melamine like Thifty White Hardboard, it to does not necessarily need priming, however using a primer designed to "Grip" onto smooth surfaces can only result in a more durable, scratch resistant finish.


It's simply another version of TWH available at another location, one who did not previously off a similar product. With one exception. Being Matte white, it may well serve as a "Hang & shoot" item like Doable....and like Doable, be limited in Distribution.

It definitely looks good being "hung and shot" , but I wanna be blown away. To the likes of people with their BDs and their Stewarts.
 

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There are some pluses over thrifty white...

Being 1/4" hardboard, it is a more rigid self supporting substrate.

It is laminated on BOTH sides.

It has a surface perfectly identical to sintra... Which means it needs no surface prep for paint and is also identical sintra in the hang n shoot department.
 

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This seems to come at about the perfect time! I'm looking to set up a screen for my PJ in my basement. It's an Infocus sp5700 that is probably not going to last long but I hope it'll get me through the winter.


This material will be almost perfect since I can only mount my PJ 15' away because of the basement setup, I can only get a 96" picture out of it. I can likely get the room blacked out but wouldn't mind just a hint of ambient light. Would you recommend painting? If so what paint? A buddy at work has a wagner spray gun that I could likely borrow to get the job done. Thanks in advance!
 

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This seems to come at about the perfect time! I'm looking to set up a screen for my PJ in my basement. It's an Infocus sp5700 that is probably not going to last long but I hope it'll get me through the winter.


This material will be almost perfect since I can only mount my PJ 15' away because of the basement setup, I can only get a 96" picture out of it. I can likely get the room blacked out but wouldn't mind just a hint of ambient light. Would you recommend painting? If so what paint? A buddy at work has a wagner spray gun that I could likely borrow to get the job done. Thanks in advance!

Give it a squirt of RS-MaxxMudd. That will give you the "bump" you need, both in image quality and low level ambient light viewing.
 

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Thanks MM!


Got mine hung tonight and it looks pretty damn good in complete dark, for just a hang and shoot. I'm on the fence if I want to paint it or not, I think I'll really like the paint on a Sunday afternoon watching football.
 
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