I have owned the 50PF9631D since last July and am still delighted with it.
I have owned the 50PF9631D since last July and am still delighted with it.
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Not with the latest models, the 9631 and 9731.
Picture quality is outstanding, check the 9630 and 9631 User Threads if you don't believe it.
Black levels were rated very good by all the professinoal reviewers, if not up to Panny and Pioneer levels. Ambilight is a killer app -- folks love it. It's not a gimmick, sounds like whining from someone who's upset the sets he likes don't have it.
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Not with the latest models, the 9631 and 9731.
Picture quality is outstanding, check the 9630 and 9631 User Threads if you don't believe it.
Black levels were rated very good by all the professinoal reviewers, if not up to Panny and Pioneer levels. Ambilight is a killer app -- folks love it. It's not a gimmick, sounds like whining from someone who's upset the sets he likes don't have it.
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At least I'm honest, WS. And by the way, 'bias' doesn't imply NOT being objective. If you'd studied for your SAT Verbal, you'd know the difference between the two.
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I invite anybody here to go over the threads on AVS -- don't take my word for it, and don't take WSfanatic's, either. Go by the posts/threads. You'll find TONS of threads from owners of Panasonic, Pioneer, LG, Samsung, NEC, etc , where the TV died right after delivery or a few weeks/months thereafter.
Does that mean those sets suck? Of course not. What it means is that ALL sets have problems and if you are able to discern what causes those problem rates -- objectively -- you can give an OBJECTIVE and ACCURATE observation about what might account for the problems. And chief among them as I have determined since Philips quality control has improved are (1) refurbs (2) outlet store sales and (3) lower-tier knockoffs sold by large chains.....all of which I have counseled AGAINST buying.
Simply stating that Philips and Magnavox are lousy is a poor generalization (even though I agree that Magnavox is Philips 2nd-tier line and subject to more problems). Would we say that about Maxent and Vizio, two brands that most of us NEVER heard of before coming to AVS and which have given hundreds of AVS members great viewing hours ??????
I'll never say that Philips black levels are as good as Panasonic's or their overall PQ is as good as Pioneer or NEC's, because I don't believe it is so. But neither will I allow poor generalizations to masquerade as fact when in fact it's based on shoddy knowledge, poor sample bias, and lack of knowledge about product line quality control issues. As someone who follows this on a daily basis for a living, I have a pretty good idea what I am talking about.
To Sum Up: Philips Ambilight-equipped lines are very reliable, especially if bought from a retailer who doesn't recycle problem sets. Stay away from knock-offs made for Costco, etc. Unless you want to take a chance and save big $$$, avoid the outlet store and/or refurbs. For best blacks, goto Panasonic. For best overall PQ, goto Pioneer. For a great combination of PQ, features (PixelPlus, Ambilight, AUTOMATIC stretch, etc), and price....check out Philips.
And no, don't take my word for it (only). Read others opinions...check out the sets in someone's home....and talk to other owners.
That's a biased way of getting information, of course -- but it's also an ACCURATE way of getting information. And that's all that should matter.....right ????
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At least I'm honest, WS. And by the way, 'bias' doesn't imply NOT being objective. If you'd studied for your SAT Verbal, you'd know the difference between the two.
I invite anybody here to go over the threads on AVS -- don't take my word for it, and don't take WSfanatic's, either. Go by the posts/threads. You'll find TONS of threads from owners of Panasonic, Pioneer, LG, Samsung, NEC, etc , where the TV died right after delivery or a few weeks/months thereafter.
Does that mean those sets suck? Of course not. What it means is that ALL sets have problems and if you are able to discern what causes those problem rates -- objectively -- you can give an OBJECTIVE and ACCURATE observation about what might account for the problems. And chief among them as I have determined since Philips quality control has improved are (1) refurbs (2) outlet store sales and (3) lower-tier knockoffs sold by large chains.....all of which I have counseled AGAINST buying.
Simply stating that Philips and Magnavox are lousy is a poor generalization (even though I agree that Magnavox is Philips 2nd-tier line and subject to more problems). Would we say that about Maxent and Vizio, two brands that most of us NEVER heard of before coming to AVS and which have given hundreds of AVS members great viewing hours ??????
I'll never say that Philips black levels are as good as Panasonic's or their overall PQ is as good as Pioneer or NEC's, because I don't believe it is so. But neither will I allow poor generalizations to masquerade as fact when in fact it's based on shoddy knowledge, poor sample bias, and lack of knowledge about product line quality control issues. As someone who follows this on a daily basis for a living, I have a pretty good idea what I am talking about.
To Sum Up: Philips Ambilight-equipped lines are very reliable, especially if bought from a retailer who doesn't recycle problem sets. Stay away from knock-offs made for Costco, etc. Unless you want to take a chance and save big $$$, avoid the outlet store and/or refurbs. For best blacks, goto Panasonic. For best overall PQ, goto Pioneer. For a great combination of PQ, features (PixelPlus, Ambilight, AUTOMATIC stretch, etc), and price....check out Philips.
And no, don't take my word for it (only). Read others opinions...check out the sets in someone's home....and talk to other owners.
That's a biased way of getting information, of course -- but it's also an ACCURATE way of getting information. And that's all that should matter.....right ????
Wazy, I don't care WHAT you buy -- just buy it for the RIGHT reasons.
Panasonic was my runner-up choice -- I have nothing bad to say about them, but I wanted Ambilight (I love it) and the AUTOMATIC feature is something my Panny friends always ***** that they wish they had. Do I wish my blacks were darker ? Yeah, but if that's my only gripe for the next 5 years with my set, I'll break out the champagne.
Pioneer? Same feelings, but even more expensive than Panny or Philips, so $$$ were a factor.
The best source of information here is the users of the sets. And if you read between the lines, you can discern that those who have problems often got them from the means of purchase I suggested one avoid. And yes, there are going to be problems with EVERY MANUFACTURER, Philips included, so you can't read 99 glowing reviews and then 1 pissed off person who got a lemon and say "well, I can't tell if it's a good set or not."
Occasional problems do not equal HABITUAL problems. Philips sets, as all plasmas, have had occasional problems. The error rate came down a ton with the 9630 and 9631 models. It seems to have continued and stabilized with the 9731 (from what I can tell).
I will continue to call it as I see it and speak glowingly of Philips sets that I feel good about, while also praising -- and NOT KNOCKING -- competitors like Panny and Pioneer, LG and Samsung.
Fair & Balanced, that's what I am.....
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Wazy, I don't care WHAT you buy -- just buy it for the RIGHT reasons.
Panasonic was my runner-up choice -- I have nothing bad to say about them, but I wanted Ambilight (I love it) and the AUTOMATIC feature is something my Panny friends always ***** that they wish they had. Do I wish my blacks were darker ? Yeah, but if that's my only gripe for the next 5 years with my set, I'll break out the champagne.
Pioneer? Same feelings, but even more expensive than Panny or Philips, so $$$ were a factor.
The best source of information here is the users of the sets. And if you read between the lines, you can discern that those who have problems often got them from the means of purchase I suggested one avoid. And yes, there are going to be problems with EVERY MANUFACTURER, Philips included, so you can't read 99 glowing reviews and then 1 pissed off person who got a lemon and say "well, I can't tell if it's a good set or not."
Occasional problems do not equal HABITUAL problems. Philips sets, as all plasmas, have had occasional problems. The error rate came down a ton with the 9630 and 9631 models. It seems to have continued and stabilized with the 9731 (from what I can tell).
I will continue to call it as I see it and speak glowingly of Philips sets that I feel good about, while also praising -- and NOT KNOCKING -- competitors like Panny and Pioneer, LG and Samsung.
Fair & Balanced, that's what I am.....
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Philips is #3 globally and they do supply alot of lower-end models. Combine the two and you will have a higher fail rate.
Again...when they upscaled their plasma line beginning with the 9630, the problems dropped dramatically. I know because I had hesitated for years on the 7000 series. Outside of BSOD, the 9630 was nearly flawless when dealing with the buyers as a whole.
I'm not saying you're bashing Philips, I just said you overgeneralized. I've had 1 Philips plasma and it has worked flawlessley for 9 months -- should I then tell people that in my experience Philips plasmas work 100% of the time perfectly? I think that would be as biased and flawed as someone criticizing or bashing Philips based on a small sample size.
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And by the way, I could write the same glowing Philips reviews without identifiying that I own a Philips plasma...without a name like "PhilipsPhanatic".....I could write the same posts with the name "PanasonicOwner" or "PioneerFan." According to your logic, that would then make my Philips plugs 'very objective' since my name indicates a 'bias' for another manufacturer and therefore my plugging Philips must mean they are a good set.
I think you'd agree that is ridiculous.
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What matters is the CONTENT and SUBSTANCE of the posts I give. I have always been 100% honest, 100% objective, and 100% fair-minded. I do have a bias towards Philips, but that bias does not preclude objectivity towards Philips (I wrote a 4-page critical letter to their Dutch corporate office) or other manufacturers. I'm interested in helping others get good plasma and HDTV sets, Philips or non-Philips. Others plug Panny, Pioneer, Samsung, LG, NEC, etc. Fine -- by default I seem to be the Philips Plugger.
I'll give my toot for Philips, others can give their toots for other brands, and we can let the inquiring mind at AVS decide what they want.
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What could be more fair than that ???
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Philips is #3 globally and they do supply alot of lower-end models. Combine the two and you will have a higher fail rate.
Again...when they upscaled their plasma line beginning with the 9630, the problems dropped dramatically. I know because I had hesitated for years on the 7000 series. Outside of BSOD, the 9630 was nearly flawless when dealing with the buyers as a whole.
I'm not saying you're bashing Philips, I just said you overgeneralized. I've had 1 Philips plasma and it has worked flawlessley for 9 months -- should I then tell people that in my experience Philips plasmas work 100% of the time perfectly? I think that would be as biased and flawed as someone criticizing or bashing Philips based on a small sample size.
And by the way, I could write the same glowing Philips reviews without identifiying that I own a Philips plasma...without a name like "PhilipsPhanatic".....I could write the same posts with the name "PanasonicOwner" or "PioneerFan." According to your logic, that would then make my Philips plugs 'very objective' since my name indicates a 'bias' for another manufacturer and therefore my plugging Philips must mean they are a good set.
I think you'd agree that is ridiculous.
What matters is the CONTENT and SUBSTANCE of the posts I give. I have always been 100% honest, 100% objective, and 100% fair-minded. I do have a bias towards Philips, but that bias does not preclude objectivity towards Philips (I wrote a 4-page critical letter to their Dutch corporate office) or other manufacturers. I'm interested in helping others get good plasma and HDTV sets, Philips or non-Philips. Others plug Panny, Pioneer, Samsung, LG, NEC, etc. Fine -- by default I seem to be the Philips Plugger.
I'll give my toot for Philips, others can give their toots for other brands, and we can let the inquiring mind at AVS decide what they want.
What could be more fair than that ???
Is there a barf smilie?
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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic /forum/post/0
Philips is #3 globally and they do supply alot of lower-end models. Combine the two and you will have a higher fail rate.
Again...when they upscaled their plasma line beginning with the 9630, the problems dropped dramatically. I know because I had hesitated for years on the 7000 series. Outside of BSOD, the 9630 was nearly flawless when dealing with the buyers as a whole.
I'm not saying you're bashing Philips, I just said you overgeneralized. I've had 1 Philips plasma and it has worked flawlessley for 9 months -- should I then tell people that in my experience Philips plasmas work 100% of the time perfectly? I think that would be as biased and flawed as someone criticizing or bashing Philips based on a small sample size.![]()
And by the way, I could write the same glowing Philips reviews without identifiying that I own a Philips plasma...without a name like "PhilipsPhanatic".....I could write the same posts with the name "PanasonicOwner" or "PioneerFan." According to your logic, that would then make my Philips plugs 'very objective' since my name indicates a 'bias' for another manufacturer and therefore my plugging Philips must mean they are a good set.
I think you'd agree that is ridiculous.![]()
What matters is the CONTENT and SUBSTANCE of the posts I give. I have always been 100% honest, 100% objective, and 100% fair-minded. I do have a bias towards Philips, but that bias does not preclude objectivity towards Philips (I wrote a 4-page critical letter to their Dutch corporate office) or other manufacturers. I'm interested in helping others get good plasma and HDTV sets, Philips or non-Philips. Others plug Panny, Pioneer, Samsung, LG, NEC, etc. Fine -- by default I seem to be the Philips Plugger.
I'll give my toot for Philips, others can give their toots for other brands, and we can let the inquiring mind at AVS decide what they want.![]()
What could be more fair than that ???![]()
Is there a barf smilie?
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