[Anthony1]

 http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/08/...3-tech-at-ces/



Sony has been showing off some interesting 3D demos at the CES show. Apparently, 3D versions of Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, Wipeout HD and Gran Turismo 5 have been shown. This isn't completely shocking, considering Blitz Games had recently announced that they figured out a way to make the PS3 do S3D (Stereoscopic 3D). Apparently, a firmware update would be required, as well as some kind of 3D glasses and 3D compatible display, but supposedly the PS3 is capable of 3D games as well as 3D Blu Ray movies.


All of this was quite interesting, but hearing that they were actually showing real games running in 3D is pretty amazing. Maybe all of this is much closer to happening than we think...



The only thing that still makes me wonder, is the fact that Sony doesn't actually have any 3D displays that are anywhere near market ready. I just don't see them releasing a new firmware that supports this, until they have a 3D HDTV of their own that can support it. The TV used in the demo is supposedly a prototype that is several years from mass production.

 

[eclipz]

This was on ars the day before and they seemed to be pretty impressed with what they saw. Link


I like where they're trying to go with this technology, but like you mention it's going to take some time. But you've got to start somewhere.


Cool glasses.

 

[PvtChurch]

Yup, won't be long before I need to start looking at investing in a 3D capable display... damnit.

 

[DaGamePimp]

As cool as it is and as much as we all want it this is just another it does 'Toy Story level CGI' ploy by Sony

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* Yes it will be here ... eventually , and when it is actually here I'll be in line to get what's required with the rest of you

.


- Jason

 

[briankmonkey]



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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp /forum/post/15515194


As cool as it is and as much as we all want it this is just another it does 'Toy Story level CGI' ploy by Sony

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* Yes it will be here ... eventually , and when it is actually here I'll be in line to get what's required with the rest of you

.


- Jason

Toy Story was MS's claim

Still not sure how this is a ploy if people are actually playing it.. I'd love to play Wipeout HD in 3d

 

[Anthony1]



Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGamePimp /forum/post/15515194


As cool as it is and as much as we all want it this is just another it does 'Toy Story level CGI' ploy by Sony

.


* Yes it will be here ... eventually , and when it is actually here I'll be in line to get what's required with the rest of you

.


- Jason

I don't think this is any kind of ploy, because Sony wasn't the one that actually originated all this 3D talk on the current platforms. It was Blitz Games. They came out and announced that they had figured out how to do 3D games on the both the PS3 and 360. At the time, neither Sony nor Microsoft made a single peep regarding Blitz Games announcement. When I had originally heard Blitz Games announcement, I was thinking that here was a company that figured out how to do S3D on the PS3 and 360, but neither MS or Sony is really going to care about it. Too niche.


The fact that Sony was actually showing games is slightly encouraging, because it adds some legitimacy to Blitz Games earlier announcement. I knew that Blitz was interested in actually doing this, because they have a couple of S3D enabled games in development, so certainly they want to get one of the platform holders to be receptive to their plans. With Sony actually showing these games, you have to think that Sony internally is giving this some consideration.


The big problem, is that Sony doesn't really have much to gain at this point from releasing a firmware update that adds S3D support. They don't have any S3D enabled televisions to sell at this point, and don't have any coming in the near future. Why add S3D support to spur sales for your competitors 3D enabled sets? Just doesn't make much sense. The TV that they were using to show of the 3D was supposedly a prototype that is very far away from entering the consumer market. Maybe by late 2010 Sony will have their own 3D enabled TV to sell to the public, and then there would actually be incentive for them to add S3D support to one of their firmware updates.


Also, the games that were shown, were clips of the games, and people couldn't actually play the games. The Sony rep on hand apparently continued to stress two things to everybody that saw the 3D demo:


1. That the TV was a prototype and very far from entering the consumer market


2. That the clips of games aren't actual 3D games, but more of a sample of what the 3D would be like if they decided to go that route. They apparently stressed that there aren't 3D vesions of Wipeout HD, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift and Gran Turismo in development.


It's all kinda mysterious, but there does seem to be a large interest in the entire consumer electronics industry to take a much closer look at 3D Technology for the home, and Sony does have a distict advantage with the PS3 obviously being able to support it.

 

[DaGamePimp]



Quote:
Originally Posted by briankmonkey /forum/post/15522492


Toy Story was MS's claim

Still not sure how this is a ploy if people are actually playing it.. I'd love to play Wipeout HD in 3d

No actually it was Sony making such claims before the PS2 came out , I have some literature around here somewhere with the statement on it

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Read more , it was not playable

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- Jason

 

[DaGamePimp]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony1 /forum/post/15522564


I don't think this is any kind of ploy, because Sony wasn't the one that actually originated all this 3D talk on the current platforms. It was Blitz Games. They came out and announced that they had figured out how to do 3D games on the both the PS3 and 360. At the time, neither Sony nor Microsoft made a single peep regarding Blitz Games announcement. When I had originally heard Blitz Games announcement, I was thinking that here was a company that figured out how to do S3D on the PS3 and 360, but neither MS or Sony is really going to care about it. Too niche.


The fact that Sony was actually showing games is slightly encouraging, because it adds some legitimacy to Blitz Games earlier announcement. I knew that Blitz was interested in actually doing this, because they have a couple of S3D enabled games in development, so certainly they want to get one of the platform holders to be receptive to their plans. With Sony actually showing these games, you have to think that Sony internally is giving this some consideration.


The big problem, is that Sony doesn't really have much to gain at this point from releasing a firmware update that adds S3D support. They don't have any S3D enabled televisions to sell at this point, and don't have any coming in the near future. Why add S3D support to spur sales for your competitors 3D enabled sets? Just doesn't make much sense. The TV that they were using to show of the 3D was supposedly a prototype that is very far away from entering the consumer market. Maybe by late 2010 Sony will have their own 3D enabled TV to sell to the public, and then there would actually be incentive for them to add S3D support to one of their firmware updates.


Also, the games that were shown, were clips of the games, and people couldn't actually play the games. The Sony rep on hand apparently continued to stress two things to everybody that saw the 3D demo:


1. That the TV was a prototype and very far from entering the consumer market


2. That the clips of games aren't actual 3D games, but more of a sample of what the 3D would be like if they decided to go that route. They apparently stressed that there aren't 3D vesions of Wipeout HD, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift and Gran Turismo in development.


It's all kinda mysterious, but there does seem to be a large interest in the entire consumer electronics industry to take a much closer look at 3D Technology for the home, and Sony does have a distict advantage with the PS3 obviously being able to support it.

Valid points but it's a ploy of sorts , I mean why else show it at all other than to say 'look at what's coming to the PS3' , Sony is famous for these "coming soon" type showings even when it is not coming soon . I do give them credit this time however for being more honest about time frame .


- Jason

 

[Martez]



Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGamePimp /forum/post/15522604


No actually it was Sony making such claims before the PS2 came out

This is correct, they made the claim at the E3 before the PS2 launched. I think it was alongside a real-time rendering of the FF8 dance scene.

 

[Netko350Z]

Why don't they just worry about getting the REAL version of Grand Tourismo out before they start to screw with a 3D version.

 

[PvtChurch]



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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp /forum/post/15522616


Valid points but it's a ploy of sorts , I mean why else show it at all other than to say 'look at what's coming to the PS3' , Sony is famous for these "coming soon" type showings even when it is not coming soon . I do give them credit this time however for being more honest about time frame .


- Jason

CES isn't just a means of showing off your merch for the upcoming year, it's a place to dangle prototype tech in front of the public and gauge their interest level. I'd wager Sony brought 3D to CES to see if their was really an actual interest in it. Turns out there is and you'll probably see more of it from them in the future now. You are correct though that it's a ways off.

 

[Shape]

I'm not buying a new TV just for 3D support.

 

[TyrantII]



Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGamePimp /forum/post/15522616


Valid points but it's a ploy of sorts , I mean why else show it at all other than to say 'look at what's coming to the PS3' , Sony is famous for these "coming soon" type showings even when it is not coming soon . I do give them credit this time however for being more honest about time frame .


- Jason

This gets a lol, wut?


Just about every TV manufacturer at CES this year showed off some sort of 3d tech, in a concept form.


So this is somehow a Sony plot\\ploy?


Sorry if I don't follow you there.

 

[briankmonkey]



Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGamePimp /forum/post/15522604


No actually it was Sony making such claims before the PS2 came out , I have some literature around here somewhere with the statement on it

.


Read more , it was not playable

.


- Jason

Yes, read

Quote:
"One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley (Microsoft's Xbox division) said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.'"

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-250632.html


and Toy Story 2 and no restisctions due to performance, LOL

http://wired-vig.wired.com/science/d.../2001/01/40970

Quote:
Gates said the 3-D chips in the Xbox would be three times faster than anything on the market and offer nearly unlimited graphical visuals. "We're approaching the level of detail seen in Toy Story 2," he said, referring to the computer-generated kids film from Disney/Pixar.


"Game developers will finally be able to develop games as they can visualize it in their minds, without having restrictions placed on them due to performance."

 

[JD23]



Quote:
Originally Posted by briankmonkey /forum/post/15524466


Yes, read

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-250632.html


and Toy Story 2 and no restisctions due to performance, LOL

http://wired-vig.wired.com/science/d.../2001/01/40970

I wonder why no one brings up those quotes in the threads where people regurgitate all of Kutaragi's ridiculous quotes.

 

[pjb16]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony1 /forum/post/15522564


I don't think this is any kind of ploy, because Sony wasn't the one that actually originated all this 3D talk on the current platforms. It was Blitz Games. They came out and announced that they had figured out how to do 3D games on the both the PS3 and 360. At the time, neither Sony nor Microsoft made a single peep regarding Blitz Games announcement. When I had originally heard Blitz Games announcement, I was thinking that here was a company that figured out how to do S3D on the PS3 and 360, but neither MS or Sony is really going to care about it. Too niche.


The fact that Sony was actually showing games is slightly encouraging, because it adds some legitimacy to Blitz Games earlier announcement. I knew that Blitz was interested in actually doing this, because they have a couple of S3D enabled games in development, so certainly they want to get one of the platform holders to be receptive to their plans. With Sony actually showing these games, you have to think that Sony internally is giving this some consideration.


The big problem, is that Sony doesn't really have much to gain at this point from releasing a firmware update that adds S3D support. They don't have any S3D enabled televisions to sell at this point, and don't have any coming in the near future. Why add S3D support to spur sales for your competitors 3D enabled sets? Just doesn't make much sense. The TV that they were using to show of the 3D was supposedly a prototype that is very far away from entering the consumer market. Maybe by late 2010 Sony will have their own 3D enabled TV to sell to the public, and then there would actually be incentive for them to add S3D support to one of their firmware updates.


Also, the games that were shown, were clips of the games, and people couldn't actually play the games. The Sony rep on hand apparently continued to stress two things to everybody that saw the 3D demo:

1. That the TV was a prototype and very far from entering the consumer market


2. That the clips of games aren't actual 3D games, but more of a sample of what the 3D would be like if they decided to go that route. They apparently stressed that there aren't 3D vesions of Wipeout HD, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift and Gran Turismo in development.


It's all kinda mysterious, but there does seem to be a large interest in the entire consumer electronics industry to take a much closer look at 3D Technology for the home, and Sony does have a distict advantage with the PS3 obviously being able to support it.

I'm pretty sure there are some tvs that can handle some form of 3D gaming already, though the only ones I had come across talked about it with pc gaming. (like the samsung hl67a750)

 

[DaGamePimp]

briankmonkey ,


What came first the chicken or the egg

...



March 1999 ,


"TOKYO (Nikkei)--Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. plans to release the follow-up to its popular PlayStation video game system by March 2000. The successor to the world's biggest-selling 32-bit game console is to feature a microprocessor co-developed with Toshiba Corp. (6502) that provides motion picture-quality images, The Nihon Keizai Shimbun learned Sunday.


"The Sony unit seeks more than dominant market share in the video game console market with the chip, company officials said.


"The new microprocessor will allow users to handle nearly 50 times more 3-D image data compared with Sega Enterprises Ltd.'s (7964) Dreamcast game console. It will also let users produce game characters comparable in image quality to Walt Disney's Toy Story."


-Jason

 

[DaGamePimp]



Quote:
Originally Posted by TyrantII /forum/post/15524433


This gets a lol, wut?


Just about every TV manufacturer at CES this year showed off some sort of 3d tech, in a concept form.


So this is somehow a Sony plot\\ploy?


Sorry if I don't follow you there.

I never said the entire 3D concept was a Sony ploy , now you are just being silly . Sony is touting this as another up and coming feature of the PS3 even though it is not real at this point , I would call that a marketing ploy of sorts and if you do not agree then we can agree to disagree

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- Jason

 

[briankmonkey]



Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGamePimp /forum/post/15526413

briankmonkey ,


What came first the chicken or the egg

...



March 1999 ,


"TOKYO (Nikkei)--Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. plans to release the follow-up to its popular PlayStation video game system by March 2000. The successor to the world's biggest-selling 32-bit game console is to feature a microprocessor co-developed with Toshiba Corp. (6502) that provides motion picture-quality images, The Nihon Keizai Shimbun learned Sunday.


"The Sony unit seeks more than dominant market share in the video game console market with the chip, company officials said.


"The new microprocessor will allow users to handle nearly 50 times more 3-D image data compared with Sega Enterprises Ltd.'s (7964) Dreamcast game console. It will also let users produce game characters comparable in image quality to Walt Disney's Toy Story."


-Jason

Where is a direct quote in there by a Sony exec and which Sony exec said it? Link? We've already got two from MS and links provided. Yes "

" LOL

 

[DaGamePimp]



Quote:
Originally Posted by briankmonkey /forum/post/15526497


Where is a direct quote in there by a Sony exec and which Sony exec said it? Link? We've already got two from MS and links provided.

It says right in there that it came from "Sony company officials" , they just do not name the person .


I am not going to sit here and argue about it as I remember the Sony comments before PS2 released regarding Toy Story level CGI ( not Toy Story 2 ) , I'm sure others will remember them as well . If I come across the literature that I have with the quotes then I'll try to post it .


Realize that we could all be wrong as we are relying upon the media to give us this information in an accurate fashion , and we all know how that goes . I do recall talking to somebody in the industry many years ago however that went to a PS2 press event where the 'Toy Story' claim was made once again .


But in the end this is all just nonsense anyway , is it not .


-Jason