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I have a big room that has been converted into a theater (9,600 cu/ft.) I am using a set of Klipsch WF35 towers with matching center and surrounds and a Denon AVR 590 receiver. I already had an Energy 8" 200 Watt powered sub so I installed that as well.


The room is a big concrete box so taming the acoustics took some work but it is coming around. I had a really good HT guy come by and take a look at the set up to see if he could give me any advice and among other things he said I would need much more Subwoofer if I wanted to get the best from the setup.


So, my question is, do I add a second Energy sub like the one I have which can be purchased at Costco for $100 or should I just get a completely different sub? I really don't want to spend more than about $300 and I am wondering if there is a $300 price range sub that would give better performance than a pair of Energy ESW-8HGs'?


We use the theater primarily for watching movies and sports and listen to some music while playing pool ect. but nothing major as far as music listening goes.


(The other option would be to bite yet another bullet and spend more $$$ and get a really good sub but this theater project has gotten a bit more expensive than originally intended!)
 

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. . . a theater (9,600 cu/ft.) . . . other option would be to bite yet another bullet and spend more $$$ and get a really good sub . . .

Bite the bullet and get the "really good sub" (or two) even if you have to wait to sneak the cash out of the wife's checkbook
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Just for movies alone you will greatly improve the experience!


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You might start by examining you priorities. Are you after a sports bar atmosphere where television and music are just a background distraction or are you truly after a THEATER experience while watching movies?


If it is the latter then prepare to have your budget blown rudely off course! There isn't any way 8", $100 speakers are going to come even REMOTELY close to providing a theater-like atmosphere. Prepare yourself for the reality that you are going to be spending closer to $1,000 to get that "feeling".


A pair of eD A2-300 subs (12") will run $700 delivered and should be considered a bare MINIMUM. You could start there and see how you like it, but if it still doesn't meet your notion of a theater experience, then you are down $700 and still looking for bigger and better subs to fill your room.


Do your homework on sites like this, then give your best shot!


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I am definitely going for a home theater effect, I have a 125" screen 1080P projector, two rows of theater seating with a riser and a pretty nice set of Klipsch speakers, the WF 35s with matching center and surrounds.


It has all sort of snowballed but it has been fun! I originally intended to use my cheap HTIB speakers but you know how that goes. It seems like I get pretty decent base already with my one sub but I guess I am just naive to what a real 'Home Theater' can sound like. I had no idea going in that a decent sub would be so expensive!
 

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What would you do in my situation?
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what dollar amount can get me what I need to do a good job? Any suggestions for actual subs?
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I am definitely going for a home theater effect, I have a 125" screen 1080P projector, two rows of theater seating with a riser and a pretty nice set of Klipsch speakers, the WF 35s with matching center and surrounds.


It has all sort of snowballed but it has been fun! I originally intended to use my cheap HTIB speakers but you know how that goes. It seems like I get pretty decent base already with my one sub but I guess I am just naive to what a real 'Home Theater' can sound like. I had no idea going in that a decent sub would be so expensive!

Did you look at the subs on the Hsu website I gave you that correspond with the different room sizes?
 

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I did not, didn't realize there were any there. I will take a look now

Be prepared for "sticker shock".



I own the VTF-2 Mk 3. My room is much smaller than yours. There are many comparable subs out there.
 

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Still depends on what your priorities are. "HT EFFECT" isn't quite enough info to go on. Are you looking for more clean output? More headroom? Lower extension? Flatter response? More even response over more seats?

Adding identical subs: If they're co-located: you can expect several dB increase in headroom for each doubling of the number of subs (i.e. from 1 to 2: maybe 3dB up, from 2-4, maybe 3dB up, from 1 to 4, maybe 6dB up)... this may allow them to player cleaner... this will NOT give you more extension into the down-lows... and will do very little to smooth out FR or response over different seats...

Adding identical subs: if they're not colocated: you'll get much less gain in headroom, but you will smooth out FR and response over different seats... you will not get more extension down low...

Adding a different sub: the output/headroom, when properly calibrated, of the entire system will be limited by the less capable sub, and it's difficult to properly calibrate the combination. how hard are you willing to work?

replacing with a better sub: you can get more output/headroom, better low end extension, you may get more flatness (or less), but you won't get any benefit for consistency across seats...
 

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I dont think you are getting the concept. The energy sub you have only goes down to 33hz. The Hsu VTF3 MK3 goes down to 18hz. You are missing a lot of the effect of the movie/ music. I have 2 VTF3's in a room about a 1/4 the size of your. Adding more of those energy subs may give you more noise but not more bass. The BIC America F12 might be a good option. I have never heard one but people seem to like them.
 

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What about buying like three more of these same Energy subs;

http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...sw-8-overview/


and just using 4 of them? Is that even possible? Would it give me better sound than one $300 sub?


I am not going to spend over $1,000 for a sub, I just can't do it!

So, you have a 9600 cu/ft. dedicated theater room with a 125" screen, a projector, 2 rows of theater seating....and you can't justify even one $1000 sub? But you can justify (4) $150 PC gaming subs? Not to sugar coat anything but, if you can't justify spending a few hundred extra at this point to get the job done right, I would just press forward without any sub until I could save up enough money to get a real sub. In the end, it will cost less and be more satisfying.
 

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I apologize for my ignorance, I literally know nothing about sub woofers, hertz, ect. I didn't get the impression from the product description and reviews on the Energy sub that it was made for PC gaming?

I never even knew that $2,000+ sub woofers existed, I assumed for a few hundred dollars you could get all the sub you would ever want. Obviously I was mistaken which is why I am asking here.

If adding additional Energy ESW 8s is not going to help and I decide to up the budget to around $1,000 for sub/components are there any suggestions which way I might go?

What do you gain by adding these higher dollar subs to a home theater system? My goal is not to destroy eardrums or wake the dead, I just want to create a great movie viewing environment that has some impact and clarity.
 

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I apologize for my ignorance, I literally know nothing about sub woofers, hertz, ect. I didn't get the impression from the product description and reviews on the Energy sub that it was made for PC gaming?

I never even knew that $2,000+ sub woofers existed, I assumed for a few hundred dollars you could get all the sub you would ever want. Obviously I was mistaken which is why I am asking here.

If adding additional Energy ESW 8s is not going to help and I decide to up the budget to around $1,000 for sub/components are there any suggestions which way I might go?

What do you gain by adding these higher dollar subs to a home theater system? My goal is not to destroy eardrums or wake the dead, I just want to create a great movie viewing environment that has some impact and clarity.

No worries... This is all probably hard to digest at first. Having a capable subwoofer greatly enhances the home theater experience. It's not about destroying ear drums or waking dead. For me, it's about being there in the moment.


For a 9600 cu/ft room, $1000 is probably the bare minimum. But that's just me.
 

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A local HT guy who seems to know his stuff is recommending that I go with a Velodyne SC 1250 Amp and a SC-15" passive sub. He said two SC-15s would be much better if I can stomach the cost. His opinion is that for the money this would be the best option for my large room. Does this sound like a good option?

Obviously at around $1,300 for the single sub setup and $1,900 for two it is WAAAYYY more than I intended to spend for bass. Are there other options below that price point that might be just as good?
 

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Generally, ID subs will be a better bang for the buck... typically people look at Hsu, SVS, Epik, Rythmik...

Even better bang for the buck, if you're handy, would be DIY, there are sections where people can help you with advice on that...

The local HT guy is right about one thing, though... more subs are usually better than one... depending on your goals.
 

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A local HT guy who seems to know his stuff is recommending that I go with a Velodyne SC 1250 Amp and a SC-15" passive sub. He said two SC-15s would be much better if I can stomach the cost. His opinion is that for the money this would be the best option for my large room. Does this sound like a good option?

Obviously at around $1,300 for the single sub setup and $1,900 for two it is WAAAYYY more than I intended to spend for bass. Are there other options below that price point that might be just as good?

Capt'n,

Don't panic!
There is no need to buy multiple subs right now, you can build to that kind of system over several years if need be.


However well intentioned the local guys suggestion might be
, there are many levels between that WAAAYYY more expensive solution and what you now have.


I think what eveyone is trying to tell you is to buy a quality sub now. Given the size of your room, you probably will find "the need" for more quality subs down the road.


This does not diminish the immediate improvement you will experience by swapping the low performance 33 Hz limited "wish-I-was" a sub for one of the several good sub suggestions already provided in this thread.


The theater experience you asked about is exactly like what you hear/feel at a good action movie at your local theater!
Go see a flick, if it has been awhile, then compare to what you hear/feel at home now.


I also was "sticker shocked" when first exploring subs and their prices. I have no regrets about buying a good one (an SVS) a couple years ago, and even have my eye on getting a second one to help smooth out the FR across my (much smaller) theater room.


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captainkidd,


Lets ask this, Where are you located?


There will be someone here on the forum that lives near by and are always willing to show off their systems. I have a family room (open to the downstairs with over 10,000 Cubic feet) where my system is, and I have four subwoofers in that room in order to not watch a movie but to experience the movie. Around $4,000 dollars worth. I did not buy that all at once. I spread that over a ten year period. So get a quality sub right now, re-watch your movies. Then 2-3 years down the road get another one and re-watch those same movies again. That whats makes this hobby fun No?


BTW when multiple subs are intergrated properly in a room it cause no damage to your hearing.
 
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