[KMyers]

I currently have one PB10 ISD but you know how it is you always want more! Well i was thinking of adding another. Would i be better off going bigger or adding a second PB10? Also is it better to separate them or stack them? And what type of gains can i expect to get from adding a second sub -VS- going with a bigger sub?

Also what could i sell my PB10 for recoup some money if i went with a bigger sub? And is the new driver as good/better than what i have or will i not even be able to tell?

Thanks guys!

 

[Macfan424]

There are three primary reasons to add a second sub:


1) To increase headroom (up to 6dB if co-located);


2) To smooth frequency response (reduce room nulls and nodes);


3) To reduce localization (if that is an issue).


I suppose there is a fourth: It feels cool!

(That one works for me, anyway.

)


Placement depends on your priorities. Co-locating them will maximize headroom, but won't do much for smoothing or localization. Separating them is more likely to help smooth the FR, but will probably not increase headroom by as much. It's also more challenging to find the right placement, phase relationships and the like.


Conventional wisdom is to use two of the same model, but my experience is different. It would probably be more important if they are co-located, but I've always separated them since my priority has been to smooth FR. (I have a 16-46 PC+ together with a PB12-NSD, and they work well together.)


If you "need" more output, a PB12-NSD would match up well. It's tuned similarly, but delivers 3-4 dB more than the PB10.


As I understand it, there is not much, if any, difference between the PB10-ISD and the PB10-NSD. In their other subs, the new drivers deliver 1-2dB more output than their predecessors, but I don't believe that holds for the PB10.


I have no specific knowledge of the used market, but SVS subs hold their value, so I would guess the PB10 would return 2/3 of its original value on the used market.


But my primary recommendation to you would be to ask these questions directly of SVS. Ed or Ron will be very helpful, and know more about some of these comparisons between their different models than anyone here can.

 

[KMyers]

Yeah i was going to ask them also but i just figured people on here would maybe have some first hand experience with dual subs in there house, like pro's and con's. I'm with you i think two subs would be cool just say yeah i have two SVS subs

But head room is what is mainly what I'm looking for. So stacking them would give the best headroom?

 

[Macfan424]

Yes. They don't have to be stacked literally, just very close together.


Not many cons if you have the space (and money), other than it can take awhile to set them up properly. Should be easier with two co-located, similar subs, though.

 

[Jrunr]

i am thinking about adding another HSU ULS-15 to my system. Will be be a noticable diferrence? How significant will it be?

 

[lalakersfan34]



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Originally Posted by KMyers /forum/post/10524659


Yeah i was going to ask them also but i just figured people on here would maybe have some first hand experience with dual subs in there house, like pro's and con's. I'm with you i think two subs would be cool just say yeah i have two SVS subs

But head room is what is mainly what I'm looking for. So stacking them would give the best headroom?

I went from one PB10-NSD to two and the second added a substantial increase in output and headroom (mine were within 4-5 feet of each other and resulted in close to 6dB of additional output). Adding another PB10-NSD would be very beneficial, and adding a PB12-NSD would be even better. However, there are also some extremely good deals out there right now. The AV123 MFW-15 is in stock and going for $499 plus shipping for Satin Black. Not only would that bring a big upgrade in output but in sound quality as well (according to some who have owned both like goneten). Overall, I think a second PB10-NSD, PB12-NSD, or MFW-15 would be great options.

 

[spyboy]



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Originally Posted by KMyers /forum/post/10523803


I currently have one PB10 ISD but you know how it is you always want more! Well i was thinking of adding another. Would i be better off going bigger or adding a second PB10? Also is it better to separate them or stack them? And what type of gains can i expect to get from adding a second sub -VS- going with a bigger sub?

Also what could i sell my PB10 for recoup some money if i went with a bigger sub? And is the new driver as good/better than what i have or will i not even be able to tell?

Thanks guys!

You will get a variety of opinions. Some will say get another PB-10.


Others will tell you that if you don't make a realy big upgrade you will be back looking for something else in a couple of months. No one can really tell you if you will be satisfied with another PB-10.


If you place them together you can get up to 6 more db. If place apart you can get up to 3 db (additional output).


Since you describe yourself as someone who "always wants more". Save up your money for 2-3 months and then order an Epik Knight or Epik Castle. Then you can sell you PB-10.

 

[Jrunr]

Would it be an immediately NOTICEABLE diferrence by adding a second sub to my system? The would not be equi-distant from the listening space...

 

[lalakersfan34]



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Originally Posted by spyboy /forum/post/15184292


You will get a variety of opinions. Some will say get another PB-10.


Others will tell you that if you don't make a realy big upgrade you will be back looking for something else in a couple of months. No one can really tell you if you will be satisfied with another PB-10.


If you place them together you can get up to 6 more db. If place apart you can get up to 3 db (additional output).


Since you describe yourself as someone who "always wants more". Save up your money for 2-3 months and then order an Epik Knight or Epik Castle. Then you can sell you PB-10.

Something I did not mention in my previous post, but will now discuss since you brought it up...as a current owner of an Epik Castle, I can say with confidence that a single Castle handily tops a pair of colocated PB10-NSD's, as that is what I ended up purchasing to replace my dual PB10's.

 

[t6902wf]

Jrunr,


I have a second ULS on the way. It will not be in until the end of next week at the soonest. I'll let you know.

 

[spyboy]



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Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 /forum/post/15184316


Something I did not mention in my previous post, but will now discuss since you brought it up...as a current owner of an Epik Castle, I can say with confidence that a single Castle handily tops a pair of colocated PB10-NSD's, as that is what I ended up purchasing to replace my dual PB10's.

I was actually thinking about you when I saw that the OP had a PB-10. You have recited the path you took to get the upgrade bug out of your system.


I just have to hope that you don't end up buying another Epik Castle

 

[Ironmike86]



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Originally Posted by Jrunr /forum/post/15184312


Would it be an immediately NOTICEABLE diferrence by adding a second sub to my system? The would not be equi-distant from the listening space...

How bigs the room? What you will get in an example = If you run the Hsu @1/2 way on the gain and a given dvd or cd plays loud but to the subs limits two will give it more over head so it won't play to it's limits. Depending on how it's set up it may sound louder but it will even the frequecy reponce better so less peaks. But if you asking if it's going to wow you with Spl it may not?? Depends if you bottom out your single sub now?? If you don't you may not really gain as much as you expect. Hope I make sence

 

[lalakersfan34]



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Originally Posted by spyboy /forum/post/15184401


I was actually thinking about you when I saw that the OP had a PB-10. You have recited the path you took to get the upgrade bug out of your system.


I just have to hope that you don't end up buying another Epik Castle

Nope, not yet...that Chad guy had better get some more parts in soon

In all seriousness, the Castle is amazing and provides incredible performance in my small 11'x10'x8' room. KMyers, I don't know how big your room is or how loud you want to listen. I can tell you from experience that two PB10's are a lot better than one. I can also say that something like an Epik Castle or PB13-Ultra is a lot better than two PB10's in every way - output, extension, distortion, sound quality, etc. Only you can decide whether you think another ~6dB of output is going to be sufficient to satisfy your bass desires. It held me over for awhile, but eventually I began to find the limits of dual PB10's and moved to something far more capable. Not all people are afflicted with bass addictions like mine or some of the other people on this forum. Heck, most people would be blown away by a single PB10-NSD in a room twice the size of mine.


Something else to consider is that adding another PB10 would certainly offer you more output and headroom, but you won't gain a significant improvement in sound quality. Don't get me wrong, the PB10 sounds very good, but once you hear something like an Ultra or another high end sub, you get a newfound appreciation for bass - both in music and movies. Best of luck with your decision. I'd recommend contacting SVS if you haven't already to see what they would recommend based on your needs. They're incredibly helpful and have the best customer service I've ever experienced. Keep us posted, and feel free to ask more questions if you have them.

 

[Ironmike86]

If you look at the op post it was 5/12/07 so he probally got something by now? But I direct my post to Jrunr. You will hear a differece with other Uls15 but like I said it's may not be like I think you expect it to be. Yes it will be better but depending on how the one is in you room now? If you hardly use any of the gain on the sub I say no. If you take it to it's limits then yes it will be a big improvement ime. Fwiw my Valor keeps up with my 2 Pb10 easily in the low end and out performce it in the mid range. So I know a Castle I would easily compare 3-4 Pb10

 

[lalakersfan34]



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Originally Posted by Ironmike86 /forum/post/15185858


If you look at the op post it was 5/12/07 so he probally got something by now? But I direct my post to Jrunr. You will hear a differece with other Uls15 but like I said it's may not be like I think you expect it to be. Yes it will be better but depending on how the one is in you room now? If you hardly use any of the gain on the sub I say no. If you take it to it's limits then yes it will be a big improvement ime. Fwiw my Valor keeps up with my 2 Pb10 easily in the low end and out performce it in the mid range. So I know a Castle I would easily compare 3-4 Pb10

Ah, good call. Not sure why someone would choose to resurrect a year and a half old thread instead of making a new one, but you're right - the OP is probably irrelevant. Jrunr, a second will certainly provide an improvement. The difference probably won't be night and day in terms of maximum output because they won't be colocated, but a second sub should smooth response and offer more headroom. I agree with Ironmike.

 

[Jrunr]

Ok... I may be able to stack them on top of eacher other, or place them about 6ft away from each other... would that help? Also, I am probably going to buy an Antimode 8033 as well... Please let me know if I am goin in the right direction...

 

[Ironmike86]



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Originally Posted by Jrunr /forum/post/15185890


Ok... I may be able to stack them on top of eacher other, or place them about 6ft away from each other... would that help? Also, I am probably going to buy an Antimode 8033 as well... Please let me know if I am goin in the right direction...

You stiill didn't say how much of the sub you are using? Two will be better you won't lose. But just don't expect it to be an earth shattering upgrade unless you are running your current sub to it's limits. If you are only using a small portion of the sub say 1/4 of the gain to run it at refereance you may want to upgrade with an eq before a sub?

 

[Jrunr]

i am actually running my ULS=15 at about 2/3 to 3/4 level and it is not great for me...

 

[lalakersfan34]



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Originally Posted by Jrunr /forum/post/15185977


i am actually running my ULS=15 at about 2/3 to 3/4 level and it is not great for me...

What do you find lacking? Output? Sound quality? Extension? How big is your room? How loud do you like to listen?

 

[Jrunr]

Sound Quality is great. Extension is good, but output is lacking. My room is 15X20X10 and opens up to my kitchen. As far as how I like to listen, well, I am usually between 10-5db down from reference...