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I have Windows Vista Ultimate system running on a Dual Core 3.6 Ghz with 2GB RAM, ATI 1600, HD DVD (from Xbox 360), Blu-ray (Sony BWU 100), lots of disk, ATI TV Tuner, and it is connected to a nice stereo system with a Mitsubishi 65" 1080p DLP HDTV. So I finally have all the hardware I want except of course a cable card but that is another thread at another time. I am now focusing on the software. I want to dump my movies on to the hard drives and provide an interface either within the Media Center interface or from a 3rd party product. I have the latest AnyDVD and the CyberLink's Ultra that supports HD DVDs.


So what I want is the ability to scroll thru a list of movies on the hard drive and point and click (trying to make it simple and easy for the entire family). Ideally I would like a little description of the movie/genre/stars/release date/etc. (optional) and a simple way to launch regardless if it is a regular DVD movie or HD/Blu-ray. So one of the questions is what format to save the movies in and the other is what software products are needed to do what I want to do?


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well first off, welcome to the crazy world of HTPC's. =) And nice setup, btw.

I am in a similar situation but I have a 1080p projector.


There really isn't a "best" way to store and watch your dvd's. Personally, since i have a fair amount of hard drive space (2tb) i rip the majority of my dvd's in full quality with DVDShrink (no compression to Video_TS folders). every software dvd player can play the files and if i ever lose my original dvd, it is simple to burn a dvd video disk from the video_ts files.


one quick note, there have been a ton of posted problems with ripping hddvd/bluray's to your computer. it can be done but it is definitely not as simple as ripping a normal commercial dvd. check out doom9.org and videohelp.com for some hddvd/bluray ripping guides


I have had mixed results with MCE and my ripped movies. I have used MyMovies plugin which has been pretty nice (the included collection management software works fairly well) and my only complaint is that it is a tad sluggish and somewhat buggy in MCE. But it's free and does what it says. I'd suggest trying it out.


If you want to step up in the world, i would suggest checking out Cinemar's product line. Specifically, MainLobby, MLServer, and DVDLobby. I posted my thoughts on it in a different post:


there actually is a trial for DVDLobby (i am testing it out now). go here http://www.cinemaronline.com/requesttrial.html and request a free trial. It is slightly restricted (watermarks, 120min max play time, etc) but it gives you enough to get a feel for the program and whether or not you would buy it. Just to note, DVDLobby requires you to download MLobby, MLServer, and of course DVDLobby. you must download all three.


My experience and thoughts on the MLobby suite (including DVDLobby):


1. This is not for the faint of heart or of the technologically challenged. I run a computer consulting company and it took me a good hour or two just to start cutting my teeth on the programs. This is NOT a set it, point to your movies folder, and be done with it program. There is a steep learning curve.


2. Expensive. for MLobby, MLServer, and DVDLobby it will run you $260. That stings a little bit, not gonna lie when you can download something like Xlobby or MCE + MyMovies and get something that works for free.


3. It is unbelievably powerful. you are only limited by your imagination. literally. i mean there is a design component where you can build and edit screens, create buttons, literally design whatever you want. really amazing stuff.


In short, it is the most professional, "elite" HTPC software i have ever used or seen. There is nothing (that i can see) that this package wouldn't be able to handle. If you want the best, then look no further. The problem (for me at least) is three fold: do i need the best, can i afford the best, and do i have the time to setup the best?


those are the questions you have to ask yourself. If you are serious about your HTPC and want to really wow people not to mention wow yourself if you ever get it setup correctly, then go for this setup. Personally...i have messed around with every HTPC program out there and i think i am ready to step up with the big boys. $260 is a lot of money to think about SOFTWARE but when it comes down to it, what do you use the most on the HTPC? what do you SEE the most? Software. It's really the only thing you can show off. "yea, my HTPC has the new hitachi 7k1000 1TB hard drive." well that's nice, but no one can see it and to the untrained eye, you're running MCE which the 12 year old down the street has.


just my thoughts... =)
 

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I highly recommend Movie Collector: http://www.collectorz.com/movie/ it costs $40 and works like a charm. You type in the name of the movie and it collects the dvd covers, actors, plot synopsis and puts in a nice display. In the "links" part of the program, you browse over to where the movie file is located on your computer or server and then it puts a clickable link to it on the movie main page where you can click on it to load to your "virtual dvd drive" and dvd software to play the movie. It also works with a bar code scanner but that's not necessary. Learning curve is easy. I've been using for about a year and a half and it's flawless--they also offer similar software for music and books.
 

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For ripping: DVDFab Platinum. If you want them in full quality, just rip to DVD9. If you want to save some space, downgrade the DVDs of your choice to DVD5. You can customize the quality loss in percent also. DVDFabHD (HD-DVD/Bluray) is in beta.


For organizing: XLobby. v1.2, as well as the French Pack (which has an English install and comes with a few extra plugins) is free. v2.0 is in beta and will be a commercial app (currently a time-trialed beta is available). Requires only the .NET 2.0 Framework to run, very powerful, and the basic features are easy to configure. User developed skins and plugins exist ( www.xlobby.com ).


You can search your collection, have plot descriptions, DVD covers, etc. Supports WinAMP for MP3 playback and does the same thing (covers etc).


I haven't used Media Lobby/DVD Lobby due to the price tag... and I know people say they are powerful. However, I'm not sure I need anything more powerful than XLobby, which has all the skins/plugins I need and with the right hardware can control my sprinkler system on top of my DVDs :p


For playback: Media Player Classic (for which there is an XLobby plugin) with FFDShow for upconverting.
 

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You've already got Vista Ultimate, why not use it



You can play your ripped DVD's from right within the Media Center UI by making a registry change to enable the DVD Library feature. Rip to files (video_ts.ifo etc.) and then your folders will show up under the DVD Library. You won't get fancy thumbnails or other meta data, but the playback and menu navigation has been flawless for me.


This won't handle your HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray...you could encode those as h264 though and use ffdshow to play the movie-only versions back within Media Center
 

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There's actually another thread here about Front ends you should have a look at. I personally use Snapstream's Beyond Media UI (3rd post) which looks like it does everything you want it to. To get it to work you'll need Beyond Media, the DVDLibrary plugin (free download from the Snapstream forums) Daemon Tools (just do a google search, freeware as well) AnyDVD, and DVD player software of your choice. I also use Elaborate Bytes CloneDVD to rip my DVDs to the HDD in .iso format. The DVDLibrary plugin will download the DVD box art, description and a lot of other info from IMDB. There's some other great plugins for it too like local movie showtimes, a Netflix plugin, etc. Only downside is that Snapstream hasn't released a new version in quite some time. Definitely worth a look, though.
 

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I'm suprised no one has mentioned www.mymovies.name you can use this program to get all your movies into thumb nail/info icons as a "My Movies" sub section in MCE. This then will allow you to open up third party dvd player applications like PowerDVD from within MCE, so you click on a movie, click on play and then it will open up PowerDVD and start playing the movie from HDD, and its all done via a remote.


By default Mymovies doesn't open up PowerDVD so you have to go into the config files of Mymovies and edit it to open up PowerDVD but once that is done, its simple from there. Head over to www.mymovies.name to the forums to learn on to do that.


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I highly recommend Movie Collector: http://www.collectorz.com/movie/ it costs $40 and works like a charm. You type in the name of the movie and it collects the dvd covers, actors, plot synopsis and puts in a nice display. In the "links" part of the program, you browse over to where the movie file is located on your computer or server and then it puts a clickable link to it on the movie main page where you can click on it to load to your "virtual dvd drive" and dvd software to play the movie. It also works with a bar code scanner but that's not necessary. Learning curve is easy. I've been using for about a year and a half and it's flawless--they also offer similar software for music and books.

Thanks for the advice! I have downloaded it and started playing with it. It is a bummer that it doesn't auto detect the movies (forces you to add them one at a time). It also isn't clear if it can handle HD DVD and/or Blu-Ray. I am going to check it out along with the other suggestions over the weekend.


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For ripping: DVDFab Platinum. If you want them in full quality, just rip to DVD9. If you want to save some space, downgrade the DVDs of your choice to DVD5. You can customize the quality loss in percent also. DVDFabHD (HD-DVD/Bluray) is in beta.


For organizing: XLobby. v1.2, as well as the French Pack (which has an English install and comes with a few extra plugins) is free. v2.0 is in beta and will be a commercial app (currently a time-trialed beta is available). Requires only the .NET 2.0 Framework to run, very powerful, and the basic features are easy to configure. User developed skins and plugins exist ( www.xlobby.com ).


You can search your collection, have plot descriptions, DVD covers, etc. Supports WinAMP for MP3 playback and does the same thing (covers etc).


I haven't used Media Lobby/DVD Lobby due to the price tag... and I know people say they are powerful. However, I'm not sure I need anything more powerful than XLobby, which has all the skins/plugins I need and with the right hardware can control my sprinkler system on top of my DVDs :p


For playback: Media Player Classic (for which there is an XLobby plugin) with FFDShow for upconverting.

Not sure how I missed most of these when I googled "playing DVD movies from a hard drive" but I greatly appreciate the advice. I haven't checked out DVDFab yet but I will. I checked out XLOBBY and was impressed how it auto-detected the movies when I pointed it to the drive with all the movies (note, I have regular DVDs,HD DVDs, and 1 or 2 BLU-Ray DVDs and stored on the hard drive). I have ANYDVD to decode the movies (6.1.3.3?) and the later PowerDVD (a version came with one of the drives I bought - I bought both a Blu-Ray Sony BWU burner and an HD DVD player (couldn't find an HD DVD burner)). Anyway, it seems to pick-up and is able to play some of the movies but it didn't pick-up ANY of the HD DVD or BLU-Ray movies. I have to research more and look at what format the various software is expecting (some of the movies are stored in .VOB format, some ISO, most of the HD are in .MKV, others are in various image formats (did this deliberately since I wasn't sure whether there was DVD library software and whether I would need to use a DVD emulator like Alcohol 120). So Xlobby was a partial success. I will spend time this weekend trying to figure out the HD DVD/Blu Ray mystery and other problems but this was the best starter of the ones I tried thus far.


Thanks for the suggestion and any other advice would be helpful.


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You've already got Vista Ultimate, why not use it



You can play your ripped DVD's from right within the Media Center UI by making a registry change to enable the DVD Library feature. Rip to files (video_ts.ifo etc.) and then your folders will show up under the DVD Library. You won't get fancy thumbnails or other meta data, but the playback and menu navigation has been flawless for me.


This won't handle your HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray...you could encode those as h264 though and use ffdshow to play the movie-only versions back within Media Center

Thanks for the reply. I know what your saying and I thought the same (that is why I paid for Vista Ultimate) but the library was added (note, no registry hack or regedit was required). When I click on the boxes which essentially list the folder name with the ts vob files, it gives an error from within Media Center. I haven't researched it much yet as I got several good suggestions. I am going to juggle family time/obligations with research time over the weekend but I will first spend time on ones that show more immediate promise and in particular will do the HD DVD and Blu-Ray movies.


Perhaps I missed something in your advice above and/or I am in need of some plug-ins/ I have already installed FDDshow, and TheatherTek as well as PowerDVD and perhaps I missed configuring something there as well (I have to read the forum FAQ on FDDshow configuration I guess). I was hoping something more plug and play would have evolved by now (I guess I am being too lazy and/or I am just too much in a hurry)...


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u can add a whole folder at a time though it sometimes isn't 100% accurate. just open movie collecter and then go to file -> import -> folder. Point it to your movie folder.
 

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u can add a whole folder at a time though it sometimes isn't 100% accurate. just open movie collecter and then go to file -> import -> folder. Point it to your movie folder.

I am using version 5.0.2. There is no option under Import for folders. There is an import for .MVC, Text, and XML. Maybe I can pipe a DIR listing to a file and use that. Right now I am having the most amount of success of the 5 or so suggestions received thus far with MyMovies.Name. I have a few kinks to work out in file format and Daemon loading. Fyi, it looks similar to Movie Collector.


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I'm suprised no one has mentioned www.mymovies.name you can use this program to get all your movies into thumb nail/info icons as a "My Movies" sub section in MCE. This then will allow you to open up third party dvd player applications like PowerDVD from within MCE, so you click on a movie, click on play and then it will open up PowerDVD and start playing the movie from HDD, and its all done via a remote.


By default Mymovies doesn't open up PowerDVD so you have to go into the config files of Mymovies and edit it to open up PowerDVD but once that is done, its simple from there. Head over to www.mymovies.name to the forums to learn on to do that.


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Hey thanks for your reply! This so far is the most promising of the 5 or so programs suggested! WoooHoo! I have some issues with the Daemon not being found (trying to mount an image) and some file formats like .MKV not being recognized. I am going to try to work thru these today and see what it produces.


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There's actually another thread here about Front ends you should have a look at. I personally use Snapstream's Beyond Media UI (3rd post) which looks like it does everything you want it to. To get it to work you'll need Beyond Media, the DVDLibrary plugin (free download from the Snapstream forums) Daemon Tools (just do a google search, freeware as well) AnyDVD, and DVD player software of your choice. I also use Elaborate Bytes CloneDVD to rip my DVDs to the HDD in .iso format. The DVDLibrary plugin will download the DVD box art, description and a lot of other info from IMDB. There's some other great plugins for it too like local movie showtimes, a Netflix plugin, etc. Only downside is that Snapstream hasn't released a new version in quite some time. Definitely worth a look, though.

Thanks for the reply. I am sorry to have to say but this one is not Vista ready. When you kick off the install it tries to download and install various Windows Components that it should not be touching (bad programming). Their website list a fix but you have to buy the product.


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I am using version 5.0.2. There is no option under Import for folders. There is an import for .MVC, Text, and XML. Maybe I can pipe a DIR listing to a file and use that. Right now I am having the most amount of success of the 5 or so suggestions received thus far with MyMovies.Name. I have a few kinks to work out in file format and Daemon loading. Fyi, it looks similar to Movie Collector

sorry, so are you using MyMovies? if so, the program that comes with it, MyMovies2, can do the folder import (file -> import -> folder content).


edit: oops, i said movie collector...my bad. i use too many programs.... =)
 

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Not sure how I missed most of these when I googled "playing DVD movies from a hard drive" but I greatly appreciate the advice. I haven't checked out DVDFab yet but I will. I checked out XLOBBY and was impressed how it auto-detected the movies when I pointed it to the drive with all the movies (note, I have regular DVDs,HD DVDs, and 1 or 2 BLU-Ray DVDs and stored on the hard drive). I have ANYDVD to decode the movies (6.1.3.3?) and the later PowerDVD (a version came with one of the drives I bought - I bought both a Blu-Ray Sony BWU burner and an HD DVD player (couldn't find an HD DVD burner)). Anyway, it seems to pick-up and is able to play some of the movies but it didn't pick-up ANY of the HD DVD or BLU-Ray movies. I have to research more and look at what format the various software is expecting (some of the movies are stored in .VOB format, some ISO, most of the HD are in .MKV, others are in various image formats (did this deliberately since I wasn't sure whether there was DVD library software and whether I would need to use a DVD emulator like Alcohol 120). So Xlobby was a partial success. I will spend time this weekend trying to figure out the HD DVD/Blu Ray mystery and other problems but this was the best starter of the ones I tried thus far.


Thanks for the suggestion and any other advice would be helpful.


Take care...

Bruce P.

Just to be clear - it's XLobby that's not picking up the HD movies?


It won't be able to play them in the internal player but it will be able to catalog them and launch an external player (and if you get into plugins it will merge the player into the front end).


Just hit F2, select databases, and you can manually edit the movies database to include your Bluray/HD movies.


Then in the F2 menu go to files, you can add players and associate with file types so that when the play button is clicked, whatever file you associated that title with is launched by the application of your choice.


Doing it that way there should be no problem adding ISO or MKV. Not sure if it will auto-update for MKV (you did add your path to movies in the setup screen also?)
 

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I'm suprised no one has mentioned www.mymovies.name you can use this program to get all your movies into thumb nail/info icons as a "My Movies" sub section in MCE. This then will allow you to open up third party dvd player applications like PowerDVD from within MCE, so you click on a movie, click on play and then it will open up PowerDVD and start playing the movie from HDD, and its all done via a remote.


By default Mymovies doesn't open up PowerDVD so you have to go into the config files of Mymovies and edit it to open up PowerDVD but once that is done, its simple from there. Head over to www.mymovies.name to the forums to learn on to do that.


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Are you speaking of the My Movies 2.20 Jan 2007 Release or 2.30 Pre-Lease that has the PowerDVD Playback Option?


BTW Thanks for the info & post.
 

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Either or will work. You just have to Manually edit the config files. Go into the my movies forum, tons of posts on how to make the config changes.


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Either or will work. You just have to Manually edit the config files. Go into the my movies forum, tons of posts on how to make the config changes.


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Would be very helpful if you could include a link for Manually editing the config files if @ all possible.
 
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