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You're a liar if you say you can't see the difference between 4k & 1080p or you have a crap TV.

65 900b Sony

Now ... I will say I'm not at all wowed by upscaled 1080p... Not at all ....

My st60 blows the Sony away in every facet minus 4k ....

Video games I will admit look sensational ...

However color me meh on 4k tv's ...

Until I can turn my TV on and can watch NFL in live 4k and NHL - 4k is a niche little fun thing to look at once in a blue because 99.9 % of what you watch isn't 4k...

I see no reason to get a 4k TV right now unless you're in dire need of an upgrade ...

Am I regretting this purchase ? No because the 900b is unique in its appearance and the speakers on the side with a sub woofer out is the dogs balls ..
What a beautiful pierce of tech ..


Just wish up scaling was 4k ish - it most certainly is not .
 

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Blu rays look 10x better than cable tv on any 4k tv. I watched need for speed and the new wizard of oz on the 900b and both looked spectacular. You can see the upscale affect in blu rays more than cable tv.
 

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I think the tv is great...

but only thing for me is 3d active, it doesn't pop out like the passive i had with my defective 65 900a but other than that the 3d is great and obviously more clear and detailed, but i will be on the hunt for a passive 3d if possible. Upscale is great from 1080p on youtube.com as i have seen and it is better than my 900a but i still miss my 900a due to the passive 3d.
 

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Until I can turn my TV on and can watch NFL in live 4k and NHL - 4k is a niche little fun thing to look at once in a blue because 99.9 % of what you watch isn't 4k...
That's me. My first question when thinking of 4k tv's is "how does it upscale sat/cable 720p/1080i signals?" I think whenever we get to that point where we can watch 4k NFL and 4k broadcast network, 4k TVs will be so much more advanced and cheaper than they are now. And possibly LED and it's limitations will be a memory.
 

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If you haven't used Spears & Munsil or Disney WOW to tweak the TV yet, I highly recommend it as the Sony's aren't very impressive until you really take the time to tweak them - then they look fantastic. I think you'll see some good upscaling with DVD but bluray upscaling is so little work that you'll almost think it is 4K.
 

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That's me. My first question when thinking of 4k tv's is "how does it upscale sat/cable 720p/1080i signals?" I think whenever we get to that point where we can watch 4k NFL and 4k broadcast network, 4k TVs will be so much more advanced and cheaper than they are now. And possibly LED and it's limitations will be a memory.
Direct tv is rolling out movie channels in 4k this summer.

But the biggest issue is upscaling of cable and satellite to make it look better. Both sony and samsung have improved their processors for better upscale of 1080i sources in their 2015 lineups, 2014 sets were certainly weaker but considering it's a new tech nobody should be surprised. For the most part my cable looks pretty decent on my hu9000 4k, but I'm going to benefit from an upgrade box that gives me the 2015 processor. And then next year my upgrade will include the 2016 processor. Blu rays look OUTSTANDING on my tv. It really does blow away my samsung f7100 1080p tv I had for a year for most of 2014. Your right though, I'd be very cautious with the lower end 2014 4k tvs.
 

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You're a liar if you say you can't see the difference between 4k & 1080p or you have a crap TV.

65 900b Sony

Now ... I will say I'm not at all wowed by upscaled 1080p... Not at all ....

My st60 blows the Sony away in every facet minus 4k ....

Video games I will admit look sensational ...

However color me meh on 4k tv's ...

Until I can turn my TV on and can watch NFL in live 4k and NHL - 4k is a niche little fun thing to look at once in a blue because 99.9 % of what you watch isn't 4k...

I see no reason to get a 4k TV right now unless you're in dire need of an upgrade ...

Am I regretting this purchase ? No because the 900b is unique in its appearance and the speakers on the side with a sub woofer out is the dogs balls ..
What a beautiful pierce of tech ..


Just wish up scaling was 4k ish - it most certainly is not .
yes, 4K sets don't "upscale" 720p/1080i sources noticeably better than 1080p sets.

the "upscale" to 4K is more noticeable on 1080p sources (but still not overwhelming). but if you don't watch BR or stream 4K, then a 4K set certainly isn't necessary at all.

that said, new 1080p sets will be extinct by 2016 (and are already almost non-existent in 2015 lineups), so the "1080p vs. 4K" argument will be moot by this time next year, as all sets will use 4K panels.

even in current 2015 models, the price difference between 1080p and 4K sets is pretty small.

panel tech will always be light years ahead of both broadcasters' and cable/satellite providers' content. they're the weak links in the chain, not panel/tv makers.

there still isn't a single broadcaster or a single cable/satellite provider who provides 1080p content. and there won't be one anytime soon, it's an absolute joke.

so, in theory, even 1080p sets are overkill for 99% of most consumers' normal viewing.
 

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yes, 4K sets don't "upscale" 720p/1080i sources noticeably better than 1080p sets.

the "upscale" to 4K is more noticeable on 1080p sources (but still not overwhelming). but if you don't watch BR or stream 4K, then a 4K set certainly isn't necessary at all.

that said, new 1080p sets will be extinct by 2016 (and are already almost non-existent in 2015 lineups), so the "1080p vs. 4K" argument will be moot by this time next year, as all sets will use 4K panels.

even in current 2015 models, the price difference between 1080p and 4K sets is pretty small.

panel tech will always be light years ahead of both broadcasters' and cable/satellite providers' content. they're the weak links in the chain, not panel/tv makers.

there still isn't a single broadcaster or a single cable/satellite provider who provides 1080p content. and there won't be one anytime soon, it's an absolute joke.

so, in theory, even 1080p sets are overkill for 99% of most consumers' normal viewing.
IMO it will be an slow adaption slower than what you think, even if the tv manufactures are pushing hard 4k and slowly stopping 1080p set .

4k in 2015 it is still a niche product ,2016 wont make the big difference even with the upcoming 4k blu ray players ,there are still 1080p sets in millions of homes in the world ,people are still buying 1080p sets even that they know that tv manufactures are pushing 4k and slowly stopping 1080p.

4k blu ray player and 4k blu ray disks will not be cheap the first year.

I think it will take more time than what we think for full adaptation ,manufactures are stopping 1080p because in reality is not a huge difference at normal seating distance and if they keep making 1080p people will still be buying 1080p because of the lower price and even if they lower the price of 4k they have to keep even lower the price of 1080p just like 720p and 1080p sets.

now HDR ,WCG and HFR are entering to the market and the previews owners are left with just resolution and lacking on specs for the upcoming 4k blu ray player making this more difficult for this people that already spend 4,000 + on the previews sets.


The reality is that HD is still today standard ,dvds are still selling more than blu rays and streaming is killing physical format.

is really a mess lol. it will take more time for all this to settle.
 

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IMO it will be an slow adaption slower than what you think, even if the tv manufactures are pushing hard 4k and slowly stopping 1080p set .

4k in 2015 it is still a niche product ,2016 wont make the big difference even with the upcoming 4k blu ray players ,there are still 1080p sets in millions of homes in the world ,people are still buying 1080p sets even that they know that tv manufactures are pushing 4k and slowly stopping 1080p.

4k blu ray player and 4k blu ray disks will not be cheap the first year.

I think it will take more time than what we think for full adaptation ,manufactures are stopping 1080p because in reality is not a huge difference at normal seating distance and if they keep making 1080p people will still be buying 1080p because of the lower price and even if they lower the price of 4k they have to keep even lower the price of 1080p just like 720p and 1080p sets.

now HDR ,WCG and HFR are entering to the market and the previews owners are left with just resolution and lacking on specs for the upcoming 4k blu ray player making this more difficult for this people that already spend 4,000 + on the previews sets.


The reality is that HD is still today standard ,dvds are still selling more than blu rays and streaming is staring to kill physical format.

is really a mess lol. it will take more time for all this to settle.
it really is a mess. this is a bad time to be buying a new TV unless you're fine with settling for a cheap holdover set.

4K is the least important spec currently being pushed with respect to true PQ, while HDR/WCG is the most important.

the thing is, 4K is the much cheaper spec to implement. that's why the number of 4K sets have dramatically increased over the past year. i don't expect any major OEM to produce more than 1 model of 1080p by next year. and why would they?.. afterall, there will be new 4K blu ray machines and 4K BR discs to be sold!

it's all marketing nonsense since cable/satellite TV is stuck in the ancient world of 720p/1080i and will continue to be for a long time.
 

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Most here understand the situation well. 4k is marketing.........be careful a lot of these low mid level 4k sets are a downgrade to a mid grade 1080P set.

I have looked side by side at 4k and 1080P sets literally dozens of times. 65-80" plus sets with same
content on each. At normal viewing distance there is NO DIFFERENCE. Anyone saying different hasnt made the comparisons.

I have had to get 1-2 feet away from the set to see a difference. Maybe you like to pause your tv.....then you might see a difference. Who does that ???

When they are the same price for the same quality set then buy one.
Dont spend extra for it. 4k content is gonna be slow coming and very limited for years.

Eventually 4k will be on every set.......but its just like 3d. Dont pay a dime for it extra.

Then we can argue about 8k or whatever they try to force feed us next.
 

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I know it's all mostly opinion based but I'm looking for opinions. I'm ready to get a 65-70" tv for mostly live sports on directv and an occasional movie - typically streamed. PQ is my biggest concern and I'll spend $2500..or I'd spend $1250 if that's the best value. Would you guys get a 4k? I'm really undecided. I wouldn't mind having to buy another in a few years either.
 

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This is an opinion shared by MANY people. Spend 2 weeks watching tv with a 4k tv. Then go back to 1080p. Screen door effect BIG TIME. Your eyes adjust to the smaller pixels, and when u go back to 1080p you can see the pixels on the tv, even from 10 feet away. The 4k panel is cleaner looking.
 

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I know it's all mostly opinion based but I'm looking for opinions. I'm ready to get a 65-70" tv for mostly live sports on directv and an occasional movie - typically streamed. PQ is my biggest concern and I'll spend $2500..or I'd spend $1250 if that's the best value. Would you guys get a 4k? I'm really undecided. I wouldn't mind having to buy another in a few years either.
For those very basic needs, I would not get a 4K. For a grand or less, you can easily get a pretty solid 1080p in that size range that you'll be more than happy donating in a few years.
 

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I know it's all mostly opinion based but I'm looking for opinions. I'm ready to get a 65-70" tv for mostly live sports on directv and an occasional movie - typically streamed. PQ is my biggest concern and I'll spend $2500..or I'd spend $1250 if that's the best value. Would you guys get a 4k? I'm really undecided. I wouldn't mind having to buy another in a few years either.

If I were you and you end up with a 65" I'd seek out an unopened Samsung or Panasonic plasma. Motion on even a 2015 LCD or OLED is not going to be as good as plasma and since you said it was predominantly for sports, you really want plasma.
 

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If I were you and you end up with a 65" I'd seek out an unopened Samsung or Panasonic plasma. Motion on even a 2015 LCD or OLED is not going to be as good as plasma and since you said it was predominantly for sports, you really want plasma.
true, plasma would be most ideal, but options on the secondary market are much slimmer at his desired size range.

that said, if i absolutely had to buy a new TV right now in that size range, i'd look for a used 65" ZT60 or F8500.. i'd want the best of the last plasmas.
 
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