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https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/

https://zatznotfunny.com/2018-01/airtv-ota-dvr/#more-289935

AirTV/Dish is "Soft Launching" their latest device, an OTA networked Tuner. They are developing DVR capabilities that will be in future updates. More details during CES convention this week.

This device connects to an OTA antenna, whoever it can get ultimate reception, and connects to home network to receive channels on various streaming devices, Roku etc, through either an AirTV app, or Sling TV app. 2 different devices can display OTA from different channels on home network, or 1 device away from home and 1 on home network.

OTA channels seemlessly integrate with the Sling TV guide streaming service.

Dish will evaluate desire for DVR integration at conclusion of "Soft Launch".
 

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This is essential for me ... the features look great, but I would insist on a DVR service for OTA channels at least.
I agree DVR is top of my list. I already use Sling TV, and opt for the $5 a month up charge for Cloud DVR. I can record 90% of the channels in my plan.

If, and it's all an if at this point, I can DVR the OTA channels , it will be worth dumping Comcast and the X1 last year.

Dish/Sling TV is the only one of the big Streaming channels to see that an antenna/OTA route is likely easier than the negotiations with al the local channels for carriage. None of the big Five or Six Streamers offer PBS, METV or the good sub channels in their local live packages. You Tube TV has the major networks in the limited markets it operates, but Hulu Live, Vue, Direct TV Now, and even Sling TV only have 1 or 2 majors plus Univision, CBS is a big hold out.

I'll see what they say at CES, and hold out hope.
 

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I agree DVR is top of my list. I already use Sling TV, and opt for the $5 a month up charge for Cloud DVR. I can record 90% of the channels in my plan.
We used Sling TV for a free trial period and then one month recently because, evidently, no matter how much you cut the cord you cannot miss the Hallmark Movie Channel at Christmas time (my sense of it was they do a unique artsy thing where they have the same movie done dozens of times with different actors).

The SlingTV DVR was very slick and worked very well. I didn't get to the point where I really mastered it because I wasn't the primary user, but it seemed like you could fast forward through commercials but not "skip ahead".

If the AirTV can exist as a OTA + streaming apps other than SlingTV, such as Netflix and Prime, and will work without subscribing to SlingTV, I'll consider it. I don't think I would if I have to subscribe to SlingTV to get DVR functionality for OTA, or have to pay a monthly fee for the OTA guide, etc.
 

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I ordered the AirTV late Friday, but just now received my order completion verification. No notice of Shipping ETA, but assume they are shipping quickly as they are wanting feedback. Hopefully feedback from Paying customers requesting DVR functionality will push that issue.


I noticed the delivery of my Stream* has been pushed back 2 weeks to mid February. Ill add a Gold Star to the one that arrives first.

Will review when it arrives.
 

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My AirTV arrived this morning. Pretty easy setup, as this is replacing my Clearstream TV wifi antenna. The Tuner is better than the tuner in Clearstream TV. Stations that were not dependable are now clearly locked in.

I'm using the AirTV stand alone app, as the OTA integration into Sling TV is not supported yet on Apple TV. It is obviously a trimmed down Sling TV app, same type of Grid guide, swiping upwards shows what's on other channels across bottom, etc.

I also have access to a Fire TV stick, so wanted to see OTA integration. It looks great. It isn't exactly a fair comparison as, Fire Tv uses Wifi, but my Apple TV connects directly to modem/router, and fo now at least the AirTV also uses Wifi. Considering that,... Most of the OTA channels had a slight issue on first tuning in, maybe 3 seconds in, but then was steady. Sling TV Guide identifies channels as MyTV, COZI, RETRO, Wash CBS, Balt CBS, etc., while the AirTV guide identifies by channel numb/id and channel browse has Title of show, length, following show, then call letters and numbers.

Obviously no DVR yet. I feel good about it though. The Sling TV app already has cloud DVR functionality, as the OTA channels are integrated for all platforms it wouldn't be to hard to follow through on DVR functionality.

I have an unused MOCA setup that I want to use to connect to the AirTV Ethernet port and see if that resolves the issue on FireTV.

Edit- The AirTV stand alone app on Fire TV Stick did not have the same 3 second glitch so, it isn't a wifi connection issue,
Which means it is probably within the integration software. I will tweet AirTV Help to report.
 

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Your Airtv setup and question?

Merman9393, do you have the Airtv "black box," that connects to the antenna and broadcasts over wifi to your tv? That is what your description sounds like.

I am looking in to the same thing because I can use the wifi, but not the internet (which I understand Sling uses) because our internet data costs too much. I just want to get the antenna signal to the TV.

What capability does your router have? We have an old router, but I would be happy to get a new one; I'd just want it to be fast enough, or have enough bandwidth, or whatever it needs.

How has everything been going since your last post?

Thank you!
 

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I agree; it sounds like @merman9393 has the new "black" box. Hope he sees this and can respond.
I had a very helpful conversation with Marie at Airtv.net. Among other things, she advised me that if all I need to do is get a signal from an antenna to the tv without a coax cable, the device of theirs I need is the "black box", which will send the signal via a home router to a Roku or a Firestick that plugs in to one of the HDMI input ports on the tv.

This is what I want to do. Their other device, the "white box," aka AirTV Player, requires a cable to the TV (which I do not have) and works with SlingTV, (which I do not want).

I can only find reviews of the "white box." Do any of you use the "black box," or can you direct me to reviews of it? One question I have is whether any modern router would work, or do I need one that is super fast or has super bandwidth? (I know these are technical terms, and I could use help with that too!) Airtv has a 30 day trial, and I want the router ready to go when the device arrives.
In an attempt to clarify AirTV's confusing terminology, the "white" box is the original AirTV, now called the AirTV Player. The "black" box is the new AirTV. The AirTV Player (white box) has a built-in TV an optional OTA tuner but doesn't do retransmit OTA channels via WiFi: its only use is to integrate local OTA stations into the Sling TV service.

The new AirTV (black box) also has a two built-in TV tuners, but includes and can retransmit them via WiFi, which makes it usable without running a cable to the TV. My understanding is that it will work either with or without Sling TV, but we're hoping to find someone who has actually used it and can tell us how well it works.

Here are links to both:
The new AirTV box is gone from the Slingbox "buy" page now. But you can still get it at AirTV's site: https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/ (The original AirTV player is at https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player)

The price of the new AirTV is the same as it was on the Slingbox "buy" page while it was there: $120. I think the fact that it was briefly listed on the Slingbox page betrays its origin ;)

Supposedly, it lets you watch outside of the home:Which makes me think it incorporates a Slingbox internally.
BTW, more confusing terminology: a Slingbox has nothing to do with Sling TV. The former is a device that lets you stream video from your home onto the Internet so you can watch it elsewhere; Sling TV is a streaming service for folks to receive popular cable/satellite TV channels over the Internet.
 

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Merman9393, do you have the Airtv "black box," that connects to the antenna and broadcasts over wifi to your tv? That is what your description sounds like.

I am looking in to the same thing because I can use the wifi, but not the internet (which I understand Sling uses) because our internet data costs too much. I just want to get the antenna signal to the TV.

What capability does your router have? We have an old router, but I would be happy to get a new one; I'd just want it to be fast enough, or have enough bandwidth, or whatever it needs.

How has everything been going since your last post?

Thank you!
Judy in Tejas- I sent you a PM regarding my AirTV device, and a bit more than what I'm posting here.

I have the AirTV, the black device that is based on the SlingBox M platform designed by Echostar. The AirTV Player, ( an entirely different device ), is based off of Android TV, manufactured by Technicolor in France.

Other than what is in my previous post, there are no new devolpments. I am anxiously awaiting updates to their apps. Neither the AirTV nor Sling TV apps for Apple TV have been updated since 12-17-2017, when they were released hastily to support the device. Sling TVs app for IOS/TVOS have been updated on average every 30 days, and CS hinted that they want the next update to support integration for all devices, so, it could be any day.

I feel confident any issues I had are software related, and they will be resolved quickly.
@airTVhelp tweeted on 1-25-2018 "We do have some pretty interesting news regarding DVR functionality being made available via software updates in the near future."

As soon as updates are pushed out, I will update here.
 

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At least AirTV have become a bit more loose lipped in regards to developments.
A customer service tweet in early February implied OTA recording was only slated for ATVplayer. Days later, official notice that an upcoming software update would open up the feature to both devices, and that it would be via USB port, not cloud.
Attachments are latest comparison between AirTV and AirTV Player, officially stating that OTA DVR is coming soon To both devices, and a reply from AirTV regarding AppleTV support.
 

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Good to hear. As an Android device, it's likely the AirTV Player's OTA DVR capabilities will be subject to the same limitation of recording on "adopted" storage (i.e., encrypted to the device), unless of course it has a workaround like Plex on the Nvidia. But AFAIK there's no reason to believe the AirTV "black box" will have that limitation.

OTOH, from the comparison chart, it looks like only the Player's Sling app supports the cloud DVR for Sling TV; not the black box's app. The comparison chart also implies the AirTV Player does not have a built-in tuner (a la the Channel Master Stream+) as I had thought; instead, you buy it separately as the "AirTV Adapter." (Yet more confusion. They certainly make their offerings complicated!)

In any case, it looks like these AirTV boxes will soon be welcome additions to the sparse field of North American OTA DVRs. Please keep us posted when the promised DVR capability arrives.
 

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could one hook up a second OTA dual tuner to the other usb input on their hopper3 and be able to record up to four separate signals of over the air?:confused:
 

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could one hook up a second OTA dual tuner to the other usb input on their hopper3 and be able to record up to four separate signals of over the air?:confused:
To access the OTA broadcasts you have to use an app, I use the AirTV app on AppleTV.

Even Dish's Android TV based AirTV Player can not use this device to receive OTA broadcasts. It must use the single tuner Adapter.

Basically, no. I doubt that would work.
 

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I don't think recording is available yet, for either the AirTV "black box" or the AirTV Player ("white box.") Still "coming soon," last I heard.

Anxiously awaiting news that the situation has changed, though!
 

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I don't think recording is available yet, for either the AirTV "black box" or the AirTV Player ("white box.") Still "coming soon," last I heard.

Anxiously awaiting news that the situation has changed, though!
The AirTV player has the update to Android 7 and OTA recording to adopted storage on USB. Right now it's a free beta program. It uses the SlingTV interface integration with OTA guide.

The AirTV network tuner does not have DVR ability yet, but is supposed to be coming soon.
So why can't the AirTV network tuner use WiFi to the router? I would have to set it close to the antenna wire, the router, and a power outlet.
The new Tablo lite network tuner/DVR is the only network tuner to use WiFi to the router, but it doesn't support 5.1 surround sound.

Where is the OTA tuner device that has: Wifi, 5.1 surround sound, free OTA guide and DVR functions, and real time shifting for pause, rewind, and fast forward while watching?
Bonus features would be: more than one tuner, viewable over LAN / Wifi, viewable over WAN / internet, and copying to other media.
 

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So why can't the AirTV network tuner use WiFi to the router? I would have to set it close to the antenna wire, the router, and a power outlet.
The new Tablo lite network tuner/DVR is the only network tuner to use WiFi to the router, but it doesn't support 5.1 surround sound.
I may have misunderstood. I know the AirTV network tuner can retransmit OTA signals via WiFi. Can a WiFi router with bridge capability not receive those transmissions and put them on your local network?

I've heard that Clearstream TV also uses WiFi to the router - in fact I think that's the only option since I don't think it has an Ethernet jack. IDK for sure if it supports DD 5.1, but my guess is that it does.
Where is the OTA tuner device that has: Wifi, 5.1 surround sound, free OTA guide and DVR functions, and real time shifting for pause, rewind, and fast forward while watching?
Bonus features would be: more than one tuner, viewable over LAN / Wifi, viewable over WAN / internet, and copying to other media.
Clearstream TV has no DVR functionality though. CM's discontinued DVR+ is probably the closest, but the WiFi is for streaming from the router, not to it. As a streamer it's pretty weak too. But it does have DD 5.1, a free OTA guide, DVR functions including time-shifting (with not only pause, rewind, FF but also skip forward/back), two tuners, and copying to other media (with a little help from a free program called DVR+ Lister).
 

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I may have misunderstood. I know the AirTV network tuner can retransmit OTA signals via WiFi. Can a WiFi router with bridge capability not receive those transmissions and put them on your local network?

I've heard that Clearstream TV also uses WiFi to the router - in fact I think that's the only option since I don't think it has an Ethernet jack. IDK for sure if it supports DD 5.1, but my guess is that it does.Clearstream TV has no DVR functionality though. CM's discontinued DVR+ is probably the closest, but the WiFi is for streaming from the router, not to it. As a streamer it's pretty weak too. But it does have DD 5.1, a free OTA guide, DVR functions including time-shifting (with not only pause, rewind, FF but also skip forward/back), two tuners, and copying to other media (with a little help from a free program called DVR+ Lister).
I think the AirTV network tuner works like the HDHomerun. They have an Ethernet jack/cable from/to the router and the router's wifi transmits the decoded TV content back to other devices.
I don't like to string Ethernet cables all over my house. The new Tablo lite only uses Wifi, but doesn't support 5.1 sound.
 

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I think the AirTV network tuner works like the HDHomerun. They have an Ethernet jack/cable from/to the router and the router's wifi transmits the decoded TV content back to other devices.
I don't like to string Ethernet cables all over my house. The new Tablo lite only uses Wifi, but doesn't support 5.1 sound.
The AirTV (Black Box) has both dual channel WiFi, and Ethernet connections to your home network. There is a stand alone AirTV app for every platform except possibly Tizen Samsung TV. The Fire TV and Android TV platforms as well as IOS, additionally support integration of these OTA channels into the SlingTV guide. Roku, Apple TV and a few other set top box devices have not yet supported the Sling TV integration. Integration for Roku was reported by Dish as 100% finished early March, just awaiting the OK from Roku, ( a reprise of ChannelMaster waiting for Android approval for Stream+ on Feb 28 ?).

A new AirTV Player with built in dual tuners is expected 4th quarter 2018, or early 2019. The color has changed from white with blue accents, to black with blue accents, still manufactured by Technicolor. Initially this was thought to be the Now Box for DTVN subscribers, but the Technicolor Now Box is using their latest Pearl design.

The Beta USB OTA DVR on the AirTV Player is expected to become a paid service when Beta testing is concluded.

The AirTV (black box) is expected to have a BETA OTA DVR as the AirTV Player Beta concludes as well. This DVR feature is expected to be supported on all platforms through the stand alone AirTV apps.

AirTV is hoping to clear out AirTV Player/Tuner Adapters before ending Beta program and introducing fee based service.
 

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I think the AirTV network tuner works like the HDHomerun. They have an Ethernet jack/cable from/to the router and the router's WiFi transmits the decoded TV content back to other devices.

I don't like to string Ethernet cables all over my house. The new Tablo lite only uses WiFi, but doesn't support 5.1 sound.
The AirTV (Black Box) has both dual channel WiFi, and Ethernet connections to your home network.
Tfid, I think Valyard is right. The AirTV network tuner (black box) does have an Ethernet jack, but it also has WiFi built-in. You don't have to use the Ethernet jack; it's just there if you prefer wired to wireless.

BTW, if you wanted to use an HDHR but were put off by its lack of WiFi, you could always consider power-line adapters. After all, you have to plug it into the wall anyway.
A new AirTV Player with built in dual tuners is expected 4th quarter 2018, or early 2019.
That sounds like the Stream+. Going that route makes sense now that OTA DVR capability is being added.
The Beta USB OTA DVR on the AirTV Player is expected to become a paid service when Beta testing is concluded.
That's very disappointing to hear. Sling TV has a cloud DVR, and it makes sense that a cloud-based service costs extra, but why would anyone pay extra for the ability to record local broadcasts on their own equipment? Oh, wait - that's what TiVo does! I guess they figure if TiVo can get away with it....
The AirTV (black box) is expected to have a BETA OTA DVR as the AirTV Player Beta concludes as well. This DVR feature is expected to be supported on all platforms through the stand alone AirTV apps.
Still holding out some hope that the black box, at least, won't require a subscription just to enable a local DVR, but it looks dim at this point.
AirTV is hoping to clear out AirTV Player/Tuner Adapters before ending Beta program and introducing fee based service.
Makes sense to get rid of those before rolling out the ones with two built-in tuners!
 
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