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All around subwoofer size 10" or 12"

17843 Views 7 Replies 4 Participants Last post by lalakersfan34, Jan 18, 2008

Sneak

Discussion Starter · Jan 18, 2008

Well I read all the threads I could find and did not find my question. So I hope this one is not redundant.

Am hunting an all around subwoofer that would work well for Movies and music. And who knows, maybe they work on games too. And I would like a decent one. Say around $600.00 but could be more. The question is this: Was told that for HT that a 12 inch is a good size as it gives you all the thunder. But for music 10 inch is better. But for all around I was told that 10 inch is still better because the 12 inch size speaker does not recover as fast as the 10 inch and in music it might start to sound muddy. The 10 inch size recovers faster simply because of the size.

So is that true or is it all a matter of how good a sub/ speaker you buy or is there other info? What I have looked at so far are some nice Velodynes and the Polk DSW series and they were side by side. But demoing in a store for a short period is not the same is having them on for hours at your home.

I know this is probably a general question, but if we are looking at good quality subs what is better for all around use - 10 or 12 inch?

If it matters it is about a 14 x 15 room.

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lalakersfan34

· #2 · Jan 18, 2008

Contrary to what many people believe, a larger woofer is not "slower" than a smaller woofer. So many factors contribute to a subwoofer's performance, that it's impossible to generalize and say "12 inch subwoofers are slower, and 10 inch subwoofers are better for music". Woofer quality, design, box size, box design (ported vs. sealed), tuning point, amplifier, etc all have a tremendous impact on a subwoofer's performance. Don't fall into the mistake of thinking "small subwoofers are better for music, while larger ones are better for HT". Either can be great for both applications. My SVS PB10-NSD's (10 inch subs) are great for music and HT, and will blow away many subs with larger woofers for home theater. Conversely, the Velodyne DD-18 uses an 18 inch woofer and is far better for both music and home theater than my PB10's are. In fact, it's regarded as one of the best "music" subwoofers in the world! Obviously the price difference is drastic, but the point is that woofer size by itself has virtually no bearing on a sub's abilities in music or HT.

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Sneak

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jan 18, 2008

Thanks, thats what I was thinking as well. But an experienced opinion to confirm it sure helps. Will have to check out those SVS subs.

Any other opinions?

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CADOBHuK

· #4 · Jan 18, 2008

For $600, get this
http://store.epiksubwoofers.com/Prod...ProductCode=10

and don't look back. There are competitors but they have very long wait time.

The smaller cone having advantages is true for speakers, but not for subwoofers. With subwoofers bigger=better, because a larger cone will need to move less to produce the same SPL as the small one, and less movement leads to less distortion. There are also factors such as cone material and the magnet, the quality of those has a big impact, and some smaller cones do beat the larger ones if they're of better quality.

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lalakersfan34

· #5 · Jan 18, 2008

I agree with CADOBHuk - the Epik Knight is probably the best deal out there for $600+ shipping. My second choice would be the SVS PB12-NSD, which is also a great sub, but dollar for dollar, nothing's going to get you more bass than an Epik right now.

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blake18

· #6 · Jan 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by lalakersfan34 /forum/post/12853627

I agree with CADOBHuk - the Epik Knight is probably the best deal out there for $600+ shipping. My second choice would be the SVS PB12-NSD, which is also a great sub, but dollar for dollar, nothing's going to get you more bass than an Epik right now.

Gonna have to beg-to-differ on that one. The A3-300 is easily the best value in that price range - I have heard it can extend all the way down to 16hz. It's only $475 too.

Check it out:

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...roducts_id=102

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Sneak

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jan 18, 2008

Well that looks like some nice subs up there. I will read into them.

Thanks for the replies.

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lalakersfan34

· #8 · Jan 18, 2008

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Originally Posted by blake18 /forum/post/12854318

Gonna have to beg-to-differ on that one. The A3-300 is easily the best value in that price range - I have heard it can extend all the way down to 16hz. It's only $475 too.

Check it out:

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...roducts_id=102

The A3-300 is a great sub. I'd say it's pretty much on par with a PB12-NSD. The reason I'm not recommending eD as much at the moment is because the lead time is at least two months right now, and many people don't want to wait that long. I'd still contend that the Epik Knight is the most powerful

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