I am close to being set on the Panasonic 2012 IPS models (the lower end ones, not the fancy WT50 local dimming 3x the price thing) to buy in the coming week or two but now what to know would make a person not want an IPS panel and instead go with some sort of *VA panel.
Almost ready to buy but what are the disadvantages of getting an IPS panel?
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+1, pretty much
though my LG LK450 has poor vertical viewing angles for some reason (S-IPS panel, 2011 model).
+1, pretty much
though my LG LK450 has poor vertical viewing angles for some reason (S-IPS panel, 2011 model).
Are you sure you did not get a VA panel? Last year LG was doing ips lotteries with certain tv's so technically not all the tv's were ips panels. You had to get the right serial code for the ips one.
This model I believe is one of them. Can someone confirm?
Are you sure you did not get a VA panel? Last year LG was doing ips lotteries with certain tv's so technically not all the tv's were ips panels. You had to get the right serial code for the ips one.
This model I believe is one of them. Can someone confirm?
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I have the S-IPS version, I confirmed it by looking the the shape of the subpixels/pixels and via this site (using the back vent to see the sticker on the panel with the actual code
http://www.panelook.com/modeldetail.php?id=13896
I have the S-IPS version, I confirmed it by looking the the shape of the subpixels/pixels and via this site (using the back vent to see the sticker on the panel with the actual code
http://www.panelook.com/modeldetail.php?id=13896
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poor enough that I would place the TV as close to eye level to your normal viewing position as possible; particularly avoid placing it above you since the blacks at the top of the screen will washout badly, looking light gray/whitish in color... if fact, it's worse than the vertical viewing angles on most *VA panels
interestingly, owners of the 2010 LD models don't have this problem (maybe the 2011 LK series is missing a polarizer or something in the panel/backlight assembly)
poor enough that I would place the TV as close to eye level to your normal viewing position as possible; particularly avoid placing it above you since the blacks at the top of the screen will washout badly, looking light gray/whitish in color... if fact, it's worse than the vertical viewing angles on most *VA panels
interestingly, owners of the 2010 LD models don't have this problem (maybe the 2011 LK series is missing a polarizer or something in the panel/backlight assembly)
No there is no more panel lottery. It was for a few models in 2011. I do not know why either just that it happened.
The blacks will not be amazing, but it really depends on how picky the viewer is. Some people in here will not accept anything but perfect. However, to me blacks is not gonna make or break a tv to a certain degree. The Panasonic line is still a great tv and looks pretty dang good. I would go to a store and view, if it does not stand out go with it. From the reviews/comments I have seen people have really enjoyed this tv. I am on the fence about it and for me its coming down to ST50 or ET5 and whether or not I will be hooking my comp up to it a lot.
No there is no more panel lottery. It was for a few models in 2011. I do not know why either just that it happened.
The blacks will not be amazing, but it really depends on how picky the viewer is. Some people in here will not accept anything but perfect. However, to me blacks is not gonna make or break a tv to a certain degree. The Panasonic line is still a great tv and looks pretty dang good. I would go to a store and view, if it does not stand out go with it. From the reviews/comments I have seen people have really enjoyed this tv. I am on the fence about it and for me its coming down to ST50 or ET5 and whether or not I will be hooking my comp up to it a lot.
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I believe the panel lottery is still in effect, what are your sources?
I believe the panel lottery is still in effect, what are your sources?
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I agree with others, mediocre black-level performance is the one disadvantage of the IPS displays I have seen. After owning a Samsung 46" TV (2010 model) that can go to dead black when viewed straight on, I bought an LG 32" set (also a 2010 model, LD450 series) making sure I got an IPS panel before I knew about the black-level limitation. I was quite disappointed, and I returned the LG and later bought a 2011-model Samsung 32" set with black level matching my 46" one, plus better viewing angles (though still not as good as IPS). Individual tastes may vary, of course, as well as the location of the display when you use it.
I had a 47lk520 ips .I had it with top of screen about 5 ft above eye level(up high makes it look worse).With standard def when it had bars on screen it did not look that good for a new tv.The bars glowed a slight reddish color and not very dark blacks(more noticable in black room).For hi def full screen it looked really good-especially sports.It had a lot more detail/clarity on hidef than the Samsung 46d630 i had.
Hidef/full screen- a great tv especially for the price
Standard def with bars- a bit dissapointing
Viewing angle-tv up high it's questionable.it probably looks better at eye level
Hidef/full screen- a great tv especially for the price
Standard def with bars- a bit dissapointing
Viewing angle-tv up high it's questionable.it probably looks better at eye level
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it seems all current IPS panel TVs have washout at the top of the screen when looking from below (especially when you sit up close). I checked CR.org for reviews of all Panasonic and LG LEDs/LCDs listed with "Wide" viewing angles. Every single review included the following (here are two samples, most reviews are identical to the second review):
"VIEWING ANGLE. This LG 55LK520 has a wide viewing angle overall, better than that of most LCD sets. It will provide the same picture quality, with fewer problems than most LCD sets, for typical viewing conditions--say, if your family is seated across a long sectional or in chairs off to the sides of the TV.
With brighter scenes, the picture maintained its color accuracy and reasonable contrast when we moved off to the sides. At wider angles the image dimmed slightly, with some loss of detail in the darkest shadows. When viewed from the sides, black levels varied depending on the vertical position of the viewer's head. As we moved closer to the screen, this limitation became even more apparent, especially if seated on the floor looking upward, where black levels washed out completely. On brighter scenes colors held nicely when we moved up and down, as if shifting from a standing position to a floor seated position. Note that plasma TVs are currently the only flat-panel technology on the market that provides unlimited viewing angle, with no change in image quality regardless of where the viewer sits."
"VIEWING ANGLE. This LG 37CS560 has a wide viewing angle overall, better than most LCD sets. It will provide the same picture quality, with fewer problems than most LCD sets, for typical viewing conditions--say, if your family is seated across a long sectional or in chairs off to the sides of the TV.
With brighter scenes, the picture maintained its color accuracy and reasonable contrast when we moved off to the sides. At wider angles the image visibly dimmed, with some loss of detail in the darkest shadows. When viewed from the sides, black levels varied depending on the vertical position of the viewer's head. As we moved closer to the screen, this limitation became even more apparent, especially if seated on the floor looking upward, where black levels brightened significantly. On brighter scenes colors held nicely when we moved up and down, as if shifting from a standing position to a floor seated position. Note that plasma TVs are currently the only flat-panel technology on the market that provides an unlimited viewing angle, with no change in image quality regardless of where the viewer sits."
it seems all current IPS panel TVs have washout at the top of the screen when looking from below (especially when you sit up close). I checked CR.org for reviews of all Panasonic and LG LEDs/LCDs listed with "Wide" viewing angles. Every single review included the following (here are two samples, most reviews are identical to the second review):
"VIEWING ANGLE. This LG 55LK520 has a wide viewing angle overall, better than that of most LCD sets. It will provide the same picture quality, with fewer problems than most LCD sets, for typical viewing conditions--say, if your family is seated across a long sectional or in chairs off to the sides of the TV.
With brighter scenes, the picture maintained its color accuracy and reasonable contrast when we moved off to the sides. At wider angles the image dimmed slightly, with some loss of detail in the darkest shadows. When viewed from the sides, black levels varied depending on the vertical position of the viewer's head. As we moved closer to the screen, this limitation became even more apparent, especially if seated on the floor looking upward, where black levels washed out completely. On brighter scenes colors held nicely when we moved up and down, as if shifting from a standing position to a floor seated position. Note that plasma TVs are currently the only flat-panel technology on the market that provides unlimited viewing angle, with no change in image quality regardless of where the viewer sits."
"VIEWING ANGLE. This LG 37CS560 has a wide viewing angle overall, better than most LCD sets. It will provide the same picture quality, with fewer problems than most LCD sets, for typical viewing conditions--say, if your family is seated across a long sectional or in chairs off to the sides of the TV.
With brighter scenes, the picture maintained its color accuracy and reasonable contrast when we moved off to the sides. At wider angles the image visibly dimmed, with some loss of detail in the darkest shadows. When viewed from the sides, black levels varied depending on the vertical position of the viewer's head. As we moved closer to the screen, this limitation became even more apparent, especially if seated on the floor looking upward, where black levels brightened significantly. On brighter scenes colors held nicely when we moved up and down, as if shifting from a standing position to a floor seated position. Note that plasma TVs are currently the only flat-panel technology on the market that provides an unlimited viewing angle, with no change in image quality regardless of where the viewer sits."
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This viewing angle comes up from time to time. With my 47LD520, which sits on top of a media console that makes the top of the tv bezel about 5' from the floor, I can sit on the floor in front of the tv and I just don't see any washout at the top of the screen, so of course from 10' away on a couch, the screen uniformity is quite nice. Maybe there's a panel difference between the 2010 and 2011/2012 models? Blacks are probably the biggest drawback but with the use of ambient lighting, that can be mitigated somewhat. As far as the panel lottery goes, I don't think there is any definitive determination either way that it still isn't taking place on some models. I've seen reported that some 2012s are still using the "Y" product code determination on some models to indicate an S-IPS panel. Somebody needs to take a 10x magnifying lens to their local BB and start doing a loupe test on all of the LGs on the floor and then correlating their findings with the complete product code
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This viewing angle comes up from time to time. With my 47LD520, which sits on top of a media console that makes the top of the tv bezel about 5' from the floor, I can sit on the floor in front of the tv and I just don't see any washout at the top of the screen, so of course from 10' away on a couch, the screen uniformity is quite nice. Maybe there's a panel difference between the 2010 and 2011/2012 models? Blacks are probably the biggest drawback but with the use of ambient lighting, that can be mitigated somewhat. As far as the panel lottery goes, I don't think there is any definitive determination either way that it still isn't taking place on some models. I've seen reported that some 2012s are still using the "Y" product code determination on some models to indicate an S-IPS panel. Somebody needs to take a 10x magnifying lens to their local BB and start doing a loupe test on all of the LGs on the floor and then correlating their findings with the complete product code
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I can imagine all the funny looks they'd get if they walked in and started examining the pixel structure of the LCD panels.
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When I bought my LG and told them I wanted the "Y" panel (which I explained was IPS and had better color and viewing angles than the "D" panel), they looked at me with a blank stare and said all the TVs are exactly the same.
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This viewing angle comes up from time to time. With my 47LD520, which sits on top of a media console that makes the top of the tv bezel about 5' from the floor, I can sit on the floor in front of the tv and I just don't see any washout at the top of the screen, so of course from 10' away on a couch, the screen uniformity is quite nice. Maybe there's a panel difference between the 2010 and 2011/2012 models? Blacks are probably the biggest drawback but with the use of ambient lighting, that can be mitigated somewhat. As far as the panel lottery goes, I don't think there is any definitive determination either way that it still isn't taking place on some models. I've seen reported that some 2012s are still using the "Y" product code determination on some models to indicate an S-IPS panel. Somebody needs to take a 10x magnifying lens to their local BB and start doing a loupe test on all of the LGs on the floor and then correlating their findings with the complete product code![]()
I can imagine all the funny looks they'd get if they walked in and started examining the pixel structure of the LCD panels.
When I bought my LG and told them I wanted the "Y" panel (which I explained was IPS and had better color and viewing angles than the "D" panel), they looked at me with a blank stare and said all the TVs are exactly the same.
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Not sure, since I haven't seen a 2010 model myself up-close. The washout is most apparent with the blacks; as such, it's harder to notice with brighter content.
Not sure, since I haven't seen a 2010 model myself up-close. The washout is most apparent with the blacks; as such, it's harder to notice with brighter content.
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It almost makes me want to go to BB and freak them out with my little 10x magnifying lens
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And then watch them try to kick me out of the store when I start explaining to the customers what I am doing and why. I got the same response as well when I went to BB to buy my 520. They had two boxes on the floor and I actually made them go back and find one with the "Y" in the product code. They thought I was crazy and didn't have a clue as to what I was doing but they weren't about to lose a sale
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I do wish the blacks were better though, but no tv is perfect, and it still amazes family and friends when they see it. The most common comment is, "that's an LCD? Wow". What ever. It is, after all, just a tv.
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I can imagine all the funny looks they'd get if they walked in and started examining the pixel structure of the LCD panels.![]()
When I bought my LG and told them I wanted the "Y" panel (which I explained was IPS and had better color and viewing angles than the "D" panel), they looked at me with a blank stare and said all the TVs are exactly the same.
It almost makes me want to go to BB and freak them out with my little 10x magnifying lens
Thanks for info on viewing angle
Other things on lg -very good motion performance compared to samsung(improved with motion controls at max).On samsung when watching hockey when fast moving skater the player would turn into a total blur.
I kinda noticed reddish ips glow on all white screens like hockey/and angle viewing on ips I had.More noticeable in black room.Not a big deal.it just takes getting use to after watching old CRT tvs.The other people in the house liked it because it was so clear and colorful.
Other things on lg -very good motion performance compared to samsung(improved with motion controls at max).On samsung when watching hockey when fast moving skater the player would turn into a total blur.
I kinda noticed reddish ips glow on all white screens like hockey/and angle viewing on ips I had.More noticeable in black room.Not a big deal.it just takes getting use to after watching old CRT tvs.The other people in the house liked it because it was so clear and colorful.
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