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This is going to show my absolute ignorance when it comes to pre-amps, but I have a chance to purchase a Marantz 8805 and don’t understand amping 13.2 or 15.2 channels. The dealer wants me to buy a Marantz 8807 7-channel amp. It makes no sense to me. I’ll need twice that, correct? What about my subs? They do both have built in amps (Klipsch R115SW’s). Thanks in advance. I learn as I go and maybe someday I’ll be able to give back.


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Yes.. with a preamp like the 8805 you will need an amplifier for each channel you wish to use..
So...say... if you wish to use 13 channels then you'll need 13 channels of amplifier and so on.

Yes your subs have built in amplifiers so your good to go for the .2 of the 13.2...
 
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This is going to show my absolute ignorance when it comes to pre-amps, but I have a chance to purchase a Marantz 8805 and don’️t understand amping 13.2 or 15.2 channels. The dealer wants me to buy a Marantz 8807 7-channel amp. It makes no sense to me. I’️ll need twice that, correct? What about my subs? They do both have built in amps (Klipsch R115SW’️s). Thanks in advance. I learn as I go and maybe someday I’️ll be able to give back.


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How many channels on your amp depends entirely on how many speakers you are trying to run.
Your subs are probably active, so don’t worry about Amps for those I bet they already have their own!

If you only have 7 speakers to power then the AV8805 is probably overkill right now unless you are future proofing yourself for upgrading/adding more channels later.

However, if you do have more than 7 speakers, then yes, you’ll need more amp channels.
 

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This is exactly what I had thought. I am going to have 13 speakers in this system. 2 of these are in an LCR which I will likely series parallel, so that drops it to 11. I want to run a better amp for two channel music, so any suggestions on a great amp fir that and something “decent” for Atmos, IMAX, etc for A/V?

What wpc would I be looking for, I assume the heights would need a bunch of wattage since they don’t fire as often or as critical.


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This is exactly what I had thought. I am going to have 13 speakers in this system. 2 of these are in an LCR which I will likely series parallel, so that drops it to 11. I want to run a better amp for two channel music, so any suggestions on a great amp fir that and something “decent” for Atmos, IMAX, etc for A/V?

What wpc would I be looking for, I assume the heights would need a bunch of wattage since they don’t fire as often or as critical.


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Series/parallel the LCR?

Can't decide whether it's sacrilege or blasphemy. The LCR channels are the most important ones; sending them all the same signal isn't usually done in home theater. I hope that you don't mean that LCR will be a passive soundbar, as that wouldn't give good channel separation.

High power is desirable for the LCR, particularly LR for listening to stereo music.

What's your budget for the amp(s)? One relatively inexpensive option: https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/build-your-own?variant=6293370437675

It's a modular system: 3 high powered mono amps for the LCR fronts, plus four stereo amps for 8 surround and Atmos channels. (It can also be had with 7 stereo modules, for 14 channels, but you'd lose the big Watts for LCR.) You'd need an additional cheapish stereo amp to bring the channel count to 13.
 

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Series/parallel the LCR?



Can't decide whether it's sacrilege or blasphemy. The LCR channels are the most important ones; sending them all the same signal isn't usually done in home theater. I hope that you don't mean that LCR will be a passive soundbar, as that wouldn't give good channel separation.



High power is desirable for the LCR, particularly LR for listening to stereo music.



What's your budget for the amp(s)? One relatively inexpensive option: https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/build-your-own?variant=6293370437675



It's a modular system: 3 high powered mono amps for the LCR fronts, plus four stereo amps for 8 surround and Atmos channels. (It can also be had with 7 stereo modules, for 14 channels, but you'd lose the big Watts for LCR.) You'd need an additional cheapish stereo amp to bring the channel count to 13.


Thank you for the input. I’d been researching the Emotiva amps.

Listen, I’ve taken quite a bit of sh&t over wiring my Klipsch G-42 passive soundbar series parallel and running it as solely a center. I have great quality LR’s as well as surrounds and rear surrounds. Problem was that I was running a Denon X3500H which limited me to 7 speakers. I also would never want to listen to 2 channel music from an LCR, so it worked for me. And a side benefit there was absolutely perfect crisp clear dialogue. Now, I’ve added 2 pairs of perfectly positioned in-ceilings, and with the new 8805 pre-amp or my X8500 AVR, I can process all 13 channels “and” program which channels to play when listening to 2-channel stereo music. So the LCR’s might be L&R fronts for AV, but the front wides (RP-600m’s) will be the L&R for music.




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When you say LCR, that confuses me. I think of LCR as a passive soundbar (like the G-42 I have), but I know that’s not the case here.

My fronts for music will be Klipsch RP-600m’s.

I’m going to get that Emotiva configurable amp for everything but the fronts. I’ll buy a nice amp for those. Do I just need 2 channels for that? Anything come to mind that you’ve experienced or heard sounds great (with a Marantz preamp)? I will be spending $2500 on the Emotiva, I’d like to keep the second amp under $1000. Thanks




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When you say LCR, that confuses me. I think of LCR as a passive soundbar (like the G-42 I have), but I know that’s not the case here.

My fronts for music will be Klipsch RP-600m’s.

I’m going to get that Emotiva configurable amp for everything but the fronts. I’ll buy a nice amp for those. Do I just need 2 channels for that? Anything come to mind that you’ve experienced or heard sounds great (with a Marantz preamp)? I will be spending $2500 on the Emotiva, I’d like to keep the second amp under $1000. Thanks




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By LCR, I mean discrete left-center-right.

Can't speak to wiring a G-42 to function as a center. The 42" length seems a bit much to be ideal for that, but it's an imperfect world. I'm using Hsu Research CCB-8s for LCR. The main drawback to that is that the CCB-8, laid on its side for use as a center, requires more than 10" of clearance between the TV and the surface the speaker lies on.

I'm not the right person to recommend high-quality amps. (I like the Emotiva XPA Gen3, but audiophiles may not.)
 

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When you say LCR, that confuses me. I think of LCR as a passive soundbar (like the G-42 I have), but I know that’s not the case here. My fronts for music will be Klipsch RP-600m’s.
I think it would be helpful if you detailed out your whole proposed system configuration, and what stuff you already have. Because this seems unbalanced to me-$4500 just for a preamp, but then less on the amps, and nothing against the RP-600m however it is not matching the quality of the other stuff. Plus in such an expensive system I would want towers for better integration to the sub, unless you actually have those in a bookshelf. The G-42...I'm glad you have great intelligibility, but those little woofers and spread-out setup are not really how a center should run, especially in such a top system, it will limit you. Understand that the center channel carries a LOT of the sound information-not just for movies, but definitely for surround music as well. Ideally the three front speakers would be identical, though many layouts mean exact match is not possible. In such case, to avoid "Venetian blind" beaming problems, you want a 3-way center channel: either with a midrange below the tweeter, or coaxial like KEF or ELAC.

When folks say LCR they mean Left/Center/Right, unless maybe you are in a soundbar-specific thread. So the confusion is your "C" has LCR (not very well for L/R since soundbars aren't wide so you don't get much separation) but it's just wired as Center.

If you want great stereo sound, your L/R speakers should be awesome. Speakers make by far the most difference to the sound by orders of magnitude. So this system sounds like a lot of good speakers with great electronics, rather than great speakers with great electronics. Some folks say "spend all the money on the upstream (sources, amps) because if they can't generate the signal well the speakers can't reproduce it" however they totally misunderstand how vastly more difference speakers make to the sound. And speakers do tend to sound better and better and better as you spend more money. Electronics, not as noticeably, and depending on your hearing maybe not at all.

Offhand, I'm suggesting you get an 11-channel RECEIVER, which can process power the whole stuff, and spend much more on speakers. Especially the LCR! The other speakers are important too but not nearly as much. This advice depends some on what you have already and what you are planning to get. If the receiver is not powerful enough for your listening levels, then you can add maybe a 3-channel amp for the L/C/R...and you probably need to add additional outlets on a separate electrical circuit, because you can only get maybe 1100-1200 watts continuously out of the wall.
 

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To start, I run my home automation with a state of the art C4 System with a pretty comprehensive Pakedge network including 4 WX-1 WAPS.

Current Media Room Setup
Denon X3500H - Racked in Rack Room and Video extended to 2 zones (MBR is Sonos 5.1) via AVPro Edge AC-EX100-444 HDBaseT.

The Denon processes 7 Channels (and I had a 9.1 setup prior to the remodel) so here's what I have

Under the Television (75Q900R 8K) is a Klisch G-42 that is series/parellel loading 12ohms as the Center.
Along each sidewall at approx 8' and 16' spread (room width) is a Pair of Klipsch RP-600m's mounted with articulating mounts aimed in and down.
Then my surrounds are 8' further down the wall (R-14s) and Rear Surrounds another 8' down. The Surrounds are all aimed down to the listeners ear.
My 2 pairs of in-ceilings are Sonance cheap MAG6R's and they are mounted about 7 feet apart (wide) and perfectly in between the front>surrounds and the surrounds>rear surrounds.
I have an R115SW sub and another older Klipsch sub (I may not use the 2nd one).

That's what I am working with. I don't have a place to put towers and there is very limited (not ideal) wall mount space.

Maybe I buy a really good wider passive LCR to replace the G-42?
 
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