I don't work for Denon or anything, but based on what people have been saying on the forums and a response to a letter in one of the A/V mags, I think the answer is no--you won't be able to add DTS ES disctete to the 4800. Sorry.
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Anh Modifications to make a Denon AVR 4800 DO DTS ES Digital?
After a short study of equipment reviews I purchased a Denon AVR 4800 because it was DTS ES compatible and because it could switch component video. Then I found at this site that there was something called DTS ES Digital as well as Matrix, and my 4800 doesn't support digital. Now Denon is bringing out a low cost receiver with full support for DTS ES Digital, but no piece to convert a 4800 to do that. I wonder if anyone has thought about some aftermarket converter that will do the job? Any thoughts about Denon's early claims for the 4800 to be DTS ES compatible? How about the review in E-Town that didn't speak to this issue? I have also found that the 4800 doesn't switch HD component video without losses from inadequate band width. After buying a receiver that listed for $2000 I am not a happy camper.
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Stacy is right. And it's not DTS ES Digital, it's DTS ES Discrete.
Thanks guys for the bad news. I guess my timing was just wrong. Probably wasn't really Denon's fault if DTS kept changing formats, nor would it be E-town's either. This just shows the danger of jumping into new technology too soon. I do wish that the 4800 were more flexible about the use of pre-outs and pre-ins. I have a couple of great amps from my old music system but find that if I set up for DTS or Dolby digital they can only be used for certain channels. I would like to use my existing electronic crossover and one of my old amps for the RF and LF channels since I have the ability to equalize my subwoofer for my room with that crossover. I wanted to use a pair of amps from the Denon for the sub because of their higher power rating. I was going to try to use the "large" setting for the fronts and send the output to my crossover. This can't be done since the extra amps must either be for RF and LF or rear surrounds. Thanks again.
I also have the avr-4800 and was woudering if I bought to early as the new denon avr-5800 has dts-es discret. So I called denon in New Jersey and asked if my 4800 was dts-es discret compatible and he told me that it is dts-es matrix compatible which is much like thx-ex in which the rear center channel is matrix which is driven from the side channels. The new dts-es discret dvds that are out say on the back that its compatibly with dts, and dts-es matrix. However he told me that The avr-4800 is a outstanding piece of equipment and not to worry to much about dts-es discret. Of course Im sure it would sound unbelievable he told me that the price difference is very high and that I would be better of just keeping the 4800. I absolutely love my denon avr-4800 and suggest to you to just listening to dts-es matrix and wait for an add on decoder which Im sure they will come out with.
If it makes you feel any better, the only dvd movie in dts es discrete right now is the haunting. (and the eagles music dvd) There are a few planned for the future. Im not quite understanding the problem with hooking separate amps for the FR and FL speakers. According to the spec sheet, you can assign the existing FR FL amps for rear surrounds and hook a separate amp(s) for the FR and FL channels. Also if your are really that disappointed with your purchase, you could just sell yours and get a 3801. I bought one for $950. Im sure you wouldnt have a problem selling your 4800.
Mark
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Mark is right you can assign the front amps to run the ex speakers and use additional power amps to run the front left and right speakers. Mark I believe Terminator 2 is in dts-es discrete. Gladiator is also comming in dts-es discrete and the new seven special edition and I'm sure many more to follow. I know the 3801 has dts-es discrete but would not recommend somebody with the 4800 to go with the 3801. In my opinion I believe the 4800 would be far superior to the 3801 even though it doesn't have dts-es discrete. For one the 4800 has more power and is thx certified and must have a better foundation of components used in side. Obviously if denon can offer the 3801 at a lower price than the 4800 they must of used better parts on the 4800, does this not make sense. The 5800 is the only way to go if you were to get rid of the 4800. Obviously mark you couldn't afford the 5800 and niether could I but wanted the newest surround format available so went with the 3801 but I would put my denon 4800 up against the 3801 any day and am pretty sure It would come out on top. I don't want you to think that I'm bashing your decision on the 3801 and am not trying to put down the 3801 because I believe all denon receivers beat anything else available. I've had marantz, Sony, Pioneer elite and nothing comes close to denon. The 5800 is denons top of the line reciever and then comes the 4800 and then the 3801.
The T2 Ultimate is a matrixed DTS ES. I wasnt implying the 3801 was better than the 4800, it just sounded like he was disappointed he wasnt getting DTS ES discrete. Personally I have a very hard time distinguishing any significant difference in midline receivers (this is mainly the hometheater aspect). I know others do not feel the same.
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