Another inevitable comparison: 720 vs. 720p / FOX vs. ABC
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I'd like to see some sports in 1080i to compare all of this 720p stuff...don't mean to take this off topic. Anyway, yeah, FOX tonight had a hell of a lot of grainy shots. At first I thought this was an SD camera, but, no, it was just a messed up HD camera.
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The best PQ HDTV broadcasts of football and baseball sporting events that we have ever seen has got to be HDNet. HDNet broadcasts of football and baseball in HD is way beyond any other stations current HD broadcasts. HD Nets broadcasts of these events truly looked like you were at the game.
For those that can remember when HDnet had the broadcast rights to MLB a couple years ago, it was those broadcasts that truly showed the full potential of MLB in HD. Tha last few nights watching the MLB playoffs on FOX is better PQ than SD but does not compare to those HDNet broadcasts of MLB a few years back. Ditto for HDNets broadcast of the few football games thay show as well. What a shame!!!
For those that can remember when HDnet had the broadcast rights to MLB a couple years ago, it was those broadcasts that truly showed the full potential of MLB in HD. Tha last few nights watching the MLB playoffs on FOX is better PQ than SD but does not compare to those HDNet broadcasts of MLB a few years back. Ditto for HDNets broadcast of the few football games thay show as well. What a shame!!!
Tonite the MNF game looked alot better than the Bosox/Yankee game.
I think the reason some of the Fox MLB shots don't look right is that maybe they are upconverted cameras. It seems that some of the hand helds are not HD, and even some of the others too... when they switch angles the PQ goes way down sometimes.
I think the reason some of the Fox MLB shots don't look right is that maybe they are upconverted cameras. It seems that some of the hand helds are not HD, and even some of the others too... when they switch angles the PQ goes way down sometimes.
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Obviously being based in the UK it is difficult to comment on specifics, however if Fox were using single-person radio cameras (i.e. cable-free) hand helds to get "in close" then it is extremely likely that they were using SD cameras and SD (though hopefully digital not NTSC) links and upconverting. (It may be they were using an HD camera and taking an SD feed into an SD link - this may well provide better pictures than an SD camera)
There ARE a few HDTV radio cameras available (Ikegami do an integrated device) - but they are neither inexpensive (HD cabled cameras only command a small premium over high-end SD these days - though the lenses are still a lot more expensive?) nor widespread AIUI. They also require a great amount of radio bandwith, so fewer can be deployed at a given location?
| Originally posted by ccallana Tonite the MNF game looked alot better than the Bosox/Yankee game. I think the reason some of the Fox MLB shots don't look right is that maybe they are upconverted cameras. It seems that some of the hand helds are not HD, and even some of the others too... when they switch angles the PQ goes way down sometimes. |
There ARE a few HDTV radio cameras available (Ikegami do an integrated device) - but they are neither inexpensive (HD cabled cameras only command a small premium over high-end SD these days - though the lenses are still a lot more expensive?) nor widespread AIUI. They also require a great amount of radio bandwith, so fewer can be deployed at a given location?
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Comcast Sportsnet's Orioles, Wizards, Capitals HD Games were superb. I would put them on par with HDNet's.
| Originally posted by rmaestas The best PQ HDTV broadcasts of football and baseball sporting events that we have ever seen has got to be HDNet. HDNet broadcasts of football and baseball in HD is way beyond any other stations current HD broadcasts. HD Nets broadcasts of these events truly looked like you were at the game. For those that can remember when HDnet had the broadcast rights to MLB a couple years ago, it was those broadcasts that truly showed the full potential of MLB in HD. Tha last few nights watching the MLB playoffs on FOX is better PQ than SD but does not compare to those HDNet broadcasts of MLB a few years back. Ditto for HDNets broadcast of the few football games thay show as well. What a shame!!! |
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Totally agree with you on this. No Comparison!
| Originally posted by rmaestas The best PQ HDTV broadcasts of football and baseball sporting events that we have ever seen has got to be HDNet. HDNet broadcasts of football and baseball in HD is way beyond any other stations current HD broadcasts. HD Nets broadcasts of these events truly looked like you were at the game. For those that can remember when HDnet had the broadcast rights to MLB a couple years ago, it was those broadcasts that truly showed the full potential of MLB in HD. Tha last few nights watching the MLB playoffs on FOX is better PQ than SD but does not compare to those HDNet broadcasts of MLB a few years back. Ditto for HDNets broadcast of the few football games thay show as well. What a shame!!! |
Totally agree with you on this. No Comparison!
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I tried to give Fox the benefit of the doubt over the last few weeks, but I have to admit, I think ABC's 720P is clearly a better picture. I hope FOX is still working the bugs out and will improve in the coming weeks.
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I would say the cameras are to blame. The St. Louis vs Houston game looked a lot better and the 1st game Yankees vs RedSox at the Yankee Stadium was superb.
| Originally posted by Bernie R are the cameras inferior or is it the Fauxing compression or both? Bernie |
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Given that you think game 1 at the stadium was superb, I highly doubt that it is the cameras. Are you saying that Fox is not using the same cameras from one stadium to another? What would they be using then? NESN does the regular season games at Fenway in HD, and I can assure you that PQ is far superior to any of the networks. So, it is clear that Fox is not using NESN's equipment.
The real question is what is worse on FOX baesball: The HD picture quality, or the moronic announcers?
| Originally posted by PDPnNJ I would say the cameras are to blame. The St. Louis vs Houston game looked a lot better and the 1st game Yankees vs RedSox at the Yankee Stadium was superb. |
The real question is what is worse on FOX baesball: The HD picture quality, or the moronic announcers?
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