1) Yes.
I don't have a TiVo so I can't comment on 2 & 3.
I don't have a TiVo so I can't comment on 2 & 3.
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Another RTV or try Tivo
To the folks who have both ReplayTV and Tivo.
I only have one 5040 currently and want to add a 2nd and 3rd box.
I am stuck on getting 2 more 5xxx boxes (for the CA), 2 55xx or 2 Tivo boxes.
1. Will programs recorded on a 55xx have CA when played back on the 5040?
I love the ReplayTV but I have nothing to compare it to.
There are a couple of things that bother me about RTV.
2. For instance if you tuned to a 1 hour program at 8pm. It is 8:30 and you decide you want to record it. The RTV re-tunes to the channel and you loose the buffer of the first 30 mins.
3. You are recording another 1 hour program from 8 - 9 on channel 4. You start it late to CA through it. You finish up at 9:05. After your done wathing the show. You land on play another recorded show or delete. Now the first 5 mins of the next show on the same channel is gone.
Does Tivo handle these two problems better?
The 55xx and Tivo can be had for cheap now while the resale market for the 5xxxx can be a little high.
Thanks,
Joe
I only have one 5040 currently and want to add a 2nd and 3rd box.
I am stuck on getting 2 more 5xxx boxes (for the CA), 2 55xx or 2 Tivo boxes.
1. Will programs recorded on a 55xx have CA when played back on the 5040?
I love the ReplayTV but I have nothing to compare it to.
There are a couple of things that bother me about RTV.
2. For instance if you tuned to a 1 hour program at 8pm. It is 8:30 and you decide you want to record it. The RTV re-tunes to the channel and you loose the buffer of the first 30 mins.
3. You are recording another 1 hour program from 8 - 9 on channel 4. You start it late to CA through it. You finish up at 9:05. After your done wathing the show. You land on play another recorded show or delete. Now the first 5 mins of the next show on the same channel is gone.
Does Tivo handle these two problems better?
The 55xx and Tivo can be had for cheap now while the resale market for the 5xxxx can be a little high.
Thanks,
Joe
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Replay really shines when there are multiple units and they are all networked. These advantages range from streaming--which is really cool--to automatic conflict resolution when you set a recording.
Just my lousy $0.02 worth.
Just my lousy $0.02 worth.
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And the networking advantages go beyond this:
DVARCHIVE storage of content.
Several options for thin client streaming (MVPMC, Roku HD1000, and other PC's just to name a few.) Essentially giving you distributed A/V with expensive capabilities for tiny bucks.
Dubing your recorded content to Video CD, SVideo CD, & DVD to play back on portable DVD players (ReplayTV + Dora the Exporer + CD Burner + Portable DVD = Godsend on long trips with child on board (bored)
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Not lousy... great advice. worth at least a thin dime! 
| Originally posted by Creech Replay really shines when there are multiple units and they are all networked. These advantages range from streaming--which is really cool--to automatic conflict resolution when you set a recording. |
And the networking advantages go beyond this:
DVARCHIVE storage of content.
Several options for thin client streaming (MVPMC, Roku HD1000, and other PC's just to name a few.) Essentially giving you distributed A/V with expensive capabilities for tiny bucks.
Dubing your recorded content to Video CD, SVideo CD, & DVD to play back on portable DVD players (ReplayTV + Dora the Exporer + CD Burner + Portable DVD = Godsend on long trips with child on board (bored)
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| Just my lousy $0.02 worth. |
2. The Tivo can save the 30 minute buffer, Replay can't.
3. I don't understand what you're trying to do.
It seems you're using your PVR as a buffering device instead of a recording device. Do you watch all your programs this way? It seems odd, since most of us just schedule recordings to be watched at a later date. Maybe you're a relatively new user?
If you haven't used a Tivo before, be aware that getting through a program isn't nearly as easy. There's no CA, show|nav, skip to or jump to function. You only have FF, and 30 second skip hack on *some* units. Forget about IVS, and networking units is kludgey at best. Oh, and forget about DVArchive. Tivo's answer, Tivo2Go, is a friggin' joke in comparison. I could go on, but why?
Yes, I'm biased.
Save some money, and get a 5500 or two. You'll have all the same features if you view from your 5000, and even without CA and IVS, it's still better than a Tivo (unless saving that 30 minute buffer means that much to you).
3. I don't understand what you're trying to do.
It seems you're using your PVR as a buffering device instead of a recording device. Do you watch all your programs this way? It seems odd, since most of us just schedule recordings to be watched at a later date. Maybe you're a relatively new user?
If you haven't used a Tivo before, be aware that getting through a program isn't nearly as easy. There's no CA, show|nav, skip to or jump to function. You only have FF, and 30 second skip hack on *some* units. Forget about IVS, and networking units is kludgey at best. Oh, and forget about DVArchive. Tivo's answer, Tivo2Go, is a friggin' joke in comparison. I could go on, but why?
Yes, I'm biased.
Save some money, and get a 5500 or two. You'll have all the same features if you view from your 5000, and even without CA and IVS, it's still better than a Tivo (unless saving that 30 minute buffer means that much to you).
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Of course it's "gone" if you were watching the Recorded show by choosinhg Repaly Guide and picking the show there, you are not watching live buffered TV you are watching the recording. If you wanted to watch the 8pm and the 9pm show, set both to record.
Most of us here don't watch Live TV. Once you have your Replay TV setup right there is no need to watch Live TV.
| 3. You are recording another 1 hour program from 8 - 9 on channel 4. You start it late to CA through it. You finish up at 9:05. After your done wathing the show. You land on play another recorded show or delete. Now the first 5 mins of the next show on the same channel is gone. |
Most of us here don't watch Live TV. Once you have your Replay TV setup right there is no need to watch Live TV.
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Of course the buffer length on the Replay is limited only by available hard drive space.... so which is more important to you? Being able to save the last 30 minutes of that hour show? or being able to go back to the kickoff of that football game?
| Originally posted by chain777 2. The Tivo can save the 30 minute buffer, Replay can't. |
Since nobody has answered question 3 yet, I'll risk it.
Tivo buffers live TV whenever it isn't recording something, including when you're watching a prerecorded show. So after finishing a prerecorded show at 9:05 you'll still have a live buffer going back 30 minutes, or to the last channel change, or when the last recording stopped, whichever is less.
Tivo buffers live TV whenever it isn't recording something, including when you're watching a prerecorded show. So after finishing a prerecorded show at 9:05 you'll still have a live buffer going back 30 minutes, or to the last channel change, or when the last recording stopped, whichever is less.
Gee Dr Strange, since my main signal source is a Dish 501 PVR (strictly for the digital audio that is not available in the non-PVR receiver) I have a 1 hour buffer available to my Replay all the time. Also only limited to the 1hr, last channel change limitations. And I don't recall using it even once in the 3 years I've had it. Maybe I'm too organized to need that kind of capability.
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The 30 second skip "hack" actually works quite well, I've never found a unit it didn't work on. Furthermore, you can customize it to however many seconds you want. "Hack" might not be the best word...it takes just six keystrokes to activate it. "Hidden feature" is more appropriate. There is also a "skip to tick" feature that lets you move through shows VERY quickly, and the progress bar makes it much easier to gauge your current location within a show.
I do prefer the ReplayTV look & feel and programming methodology, but Tivo is quite good too. I have the equivalent commands for each box mapped to the same keys on my universal remote, and it's rather easy to forget which unit I'm using at any given moment!
For a standalone unit I believe ReplayTV is superior, but for a DirecTV customer DirecTivo is really the best way to go, for a variety of reasons. (Direct digital recording with no encode/decode loss, Dolby Digital, dual tuners, tuner/recorder integration, etc.)
| Originally posted by chain777 If you haven't used a Tivo before, be aware that getting through a program isn't nearly as easy. There's no CA, show|nav, skip to or jump to function. You only have FF, and 30 second skip hack on *some* units. |
I do prefer the ReplayTV look & feel and programming methodology, but Tivo is quite good too. I have the equivalent commands for each box mapped to the same keys on my universal remote, and it's rather easy to forget which unit I'm using at any given moment!
For a standalone unit I believe ReplayTV is superior, but for a DirecTV customer DirecTivo is really the best way to go, for a variety of reasons. (Direct digital recording with no encode/decode loss, Dolby Digital, dual tuners, tuner/recorder integration, etc.)
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What's your point? The OP asked a very specific question about Tivo. I answered it. Your needs and your TV usage are not part of the equation. Get over yourself and your compulsive need to flame me.
| Originally posted by BaysideBas Gee Dr Strange, since my main signal source is a Dish 501 PVR (strictly for the digital audio that is not available in the non-PVR receiver) I have a 1 hour buffer available to my Replay all the time. Also only limited to the 1hr, last channel change limitations. And I don't recall using it even once in the 3 years I've had it. Maybe I'm too organized to need that kind of capability. |
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The Toshiba DVD Player/Tivo combo boxes don't support 30 second skip. I don't know whether the same is true for the newer Toshiba DVD recorder models, but it works on all other Tivo platforms.
It's also not adjustable AFAIK. Using any value other than 30 does nothing.
| Originally posted by BlindLemonLarry The 30 second skip "hack" actually works quite well, I've never found a unit it didn't work on. Furthermore, you can customize it to however many seconds you want. |
It's also not adjustable AFAIK. Using any value other than 30 does nothing.
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That's kind of an esoteric model, but I'll take your word for it. I've not tried a skip value other than 30, but I've read in several places that it does in fact work. I'll try it tonight, in the interest of science!
My point remains the same...nobody should avoid Tivo because of the perceived lack of 30 second skip, as virtually all Tivo products do have the feature, and it works fine. I suspect they hid the feature in response to some sort of legal pressure, but it's still there. The only negative is that you have to re-enable the function after a power outage or other reboot, but again, it's just a few keystrokes.
Both are good products, and each has their own strengths and weaknesses. IMO, for DirecTV customers, the DirecTivo is a no-brainer. For standalones, it's just a matter of doing your homework and picking the one that best suits your needs and preferences.
Cheers,
-Larry
| Originally posted by DrStrange The Toshiba DVD Player/Tivo combo boxes don't support 30 second skip. I don't know whether the same is true for the newer Toshiba DVD recorder models, but it works on all other Tivo platforms. It's also not adjustable AFAIK. Using any value other than 30 does nothing. |
My point remains the same...nobody should avoid Tivo because of the perceived lack of 30 second skip, as virtually all Tivo products do have the feature, and it works fine. I suspect they hid the feature in response to some sort of legal pressure, but it's still there. The only negative is that you have to re-enable the function after a power outage or other reboot, but again, it's just a few keystrokes.
Both are good products, and each has their own strengths and weaknesses. IMO, for DirecTV customers, the DirecTivo is a no-brainer. For standalones, it's just a matter of doing your homework and picking the one that best suits your needs and preferences.
Cheers,
-Larry
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I have to second this. Although, I still like TiVo's interface MUCH more than I like Replay's. But since you already have a Replay, you're better off getting another one and while you're at it, throwing in a copy of DVArchive to manage the lot. Even though I own three Replay's, for a newbie I'd still recommend TiVo.
| Originally posted by Creech Replay really shines when there are multiple units and they are all networked. These advantages range from streaming--which is really cool--to automatic conflict resolution when you set a recording. Just my lousy $0.02 worth. |
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You're quite right, Tivo should be avoided on general principles, not for any lack of functionality. Oh Dr. Strange.... where are you?????
| Originally posted by BlindLemonLarry .nobody should avoid Tivo because of the perceived lack of 30 second skip |
joe,
(just repeating what larry said, you can skip reading it)
You didn't list your signal source. And how "outlaw" you want to be. If you have sat you can get dual-tuner DTiVos that record bitstreams intact; no analog resampling. With pair of cascading HD 5x8 multiswitches, a triple LNB dish, and a couple HD/DTiVos to go with your Replay, you'll start finding reasons to love the stupid little dancing TV guy that is trying to kill off your Replay. HD notwithstanding, the dual tuner bitstream recordings are what makes Replay lovers cheat. Yes, it's that nice. There's the little bonuses you never even think about, like these moronic program directors trying to force us to not grab something on another network by scheduling shows 7:01 to 8:01 and crap... when you have 5 tuners across 3 units, you have options.
You'd have to hack them too, there's nothing like DVArchive and they don't have network ports. (and if you're not a tech geek be prepared to become one - you'll be learning linux, like it or not.)
Now... if you're talking SA TiVos vs. Replays, with cable as your source, Replay is hands-down your best solution. There's no need to sell you, you know already. Get as many as you can afford.
(just repeating what larry said, you can skip reading it)
You didn't list your signal source. And how "outlaw" you want to be. If you have sat you can get dual-tuner DTiVos that record bitstreams intact; no analog resampling. With pair of cascading HD 5x8 multiswitches, a triple LNB dish, and a couple HD/DTiVos to go with your Replay, you'll start finding reasons to love the stupid little dancing TV guy that is trying to kill off your Replay. HD notwithstanding, the dual tuner bitstream recordings are what makes Replay lovers cheat. Yes, it's that nice. There's the little bonuses you never even think about, like these moronic program directors trying to force us to not grab something on another network by scheduling shows 7:01 to 8:01 and crap... when you have 5 tuners across 3 units, you have options.
You'd have to hack them too, there's nothing like DVArchive and they don't have network ports. (and if you're not a tech geek be prepared to become one - you'll be learning linux, like it or not.)
Now... if you're talking SA TiVos vs. Replays, with cable as your source, Replay is hands-down your best solution. There's no need to sell you, you know already. Get as many as you can afford.
Great except DTivo is extinct. The support requirement ends in 2006 and then there will be the superfab deal to swap your DTivo for the Direct PVR and DRM up the ying yang.
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I'm glad you're managing to stay emotionally detached from the issue!
| Originally posted by BaysideBas You're quite right, Tivo should be avoided on general principles, not for any lack of functionality. |
Thanks for all the great advice. I am not, well I guess I am a noob to some extent. I have had RTV for over a year and love the darn thing. That is why I want more. I have had DvArchive the entire time. That is why I jumped to RTV over Tivo in the first place.
I am adding more boxes no doubt. My source is stand alone digital cable boxes. My original feeling was I needed a 5xxx for the CA for each device. I didn't want to shell out the premium for the 5xxx when I don't have to. The 55xx will work just fine as I will use my 5xxx as my viewing machine and the other two will be in the basement somewhere just capturing conflicting shows.
I was just wondering about Tivo as I have never tried it.
Just curious if I was missing anything.
I have a friend who had Tivo and loved it. I sold him on RTV for the networking features and he is luke warm to them after using his Tivo. He might want to jump back in with Tivo and I was looking to get his two used 5xxx at cost. He is still deciding. If he is sticking with RTV, I am moving forward with two new 55xx.
I have not made the jump to HD yet so the RTV works for now. I know HD opens up a different can of worms for another thread...
Thanks again.
I am adding more boxes no doubt. My source is stand alone digital cable boxes. My original feeling was I needed a 5xxx for the CA for each device. I didn't want to shell out the premium for the 5xxx when I don't have to. The 55xx will work just fine as I will use my 5xxx as my viewing machine and the other two will be in the basement somewhere just capturing conflicting shows.
I was just wondering about Tivo as I have never tried it.
Just curious if I was missing anything.
I have a friend who had Tivo and loved it. I sold him on RTV for the networking features and he is luke warm to them after using his Tivo. He might want to jump back in with Tivo and I was looking to get his two used 5xxx at cost. He is still deciding. If he is sticking with RTV, I am moving forward with two new 55xx.
I have not made the jump to HD yet so the RTV works for now. I know HD opens up a different can of worms for another thread...
Thanks again.
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