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Any LED TV's Without the Dreaded "Soap Opera Affect?"

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I went with plasma TV's because of the "soap opera affect" I saw on LCD's when viewing major motion pictures. This year I've owned and returned Panasonic plasmas and now own a Samsung plasma. I like movies to look like movies and not like soap operas or videos shot on camcorders. I went through several plasma TV's this year and each one irritated my eyes to the point it was uncomfortable to watch. My cluster headaches returned after a 2 year hiatus! Unfortunately the plasma technology and its pixel flicker is the problem that has caused my irritated eyes when watching. I turned to my optometrist and neurologist for answers. Got new glasses and tried many other things with adjustments to my tv. After some excellent information and advice from a fellow member, I'm going to look at LED TV's now.


Is there a line of LED TV's you know of that do not display "soap opera affect" that makes movies look like they are shot on a set with a video camera? Thanks
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I went with plasma TV's because of the "soap opera affect" I saw on LCD's when viewing major motion pictures. This year I've owned and returned Panasonic plasmas and now own a Samsung plasma. I like movies to look like movies and not like soap operas or videos shot on camcorders. I went through several plasma TV's this year and each one irritated my eyes to the point it was uncomfortable to watch. My cluster headaches returned after a 2 year hiatus! Unfortunately the plasma technology and its pixel flicker is the problem that has caused my irritated eyes when watching. I turned to my optometrist and neurologist for answers. Got new glasses and tried many other things with adjustments to my tv. After some excellent information and advice from a fellow member, I'm going to look at LED TV's now.


Is there a line of LED TV's you know of that do not display "soap opera affect" that makes movies look like they are shot on a set with a video camera? Thanks
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You simply need to turn off any motion interpolation features on 120Hz or 240Hz sets. 60Hz sets won't have the SOE to begin with.
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Is there a line of LED TV's you know of that do not display "soap opera affect" that makes movies look like they are shot on a set with a video camera? Thanks
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If I only had a dollar for every time a varition of this question has been asked, I could retire a rich man tomorrow.


You shouldn't have the "Soap Opera Effect" if you turn off the motion processing/interpolation.
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If I only had a dollar for every time a varition of this question has been asked, I could retire a rich man tomorrow.


You shouldn't have the "Soap Opera Effect" if you turn off the motion processing/interpolation.
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Maybe just post a giant sticky somewhere defining SOE and how to turn it on, off, or modulate it
Personally, I like it on OTA stuff but do turn it off for movies. God I hope I don't get flamed for that
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Maybe just post a giant sticky somewhere defining SOE and how to turn it on, off, or modulate it
Personally, I like it on OTA stuff but do turn it off for movies. God I hope I don't get flamed for that
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Well boys lets get the flame throwers out guys lol
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Well boys lets get the flame throwers out guys lol
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NOOOOO! what a world, what a world ........
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I think it IS very relevant to ask about what options a particular set has, for turning motion control on and off, and also for "turning it down a bit" in various ways.


Another relevant question is whether a set can deal with 24 fps content, using 5:5 pull-down.


Plus, as someone noted above, some people like some degree of motion control for OTA viewing (for TV sports, for example), but not for movies. So a set's ability to have different motion control settings for different inputs may also be important.


My LG set (55LW5600), which as a 120 Hz. set, has off/low/high settings choices for its motion control (TrueMotion), which can be set differently for different inputs. The TrueMotion settings also have a "user mode" that lets you set de-judder and de-blur separately.


I have my blu-ray player set to play at 24 fps, and I have TruMotion turned off completely on that input. I have what basically amounts to "low" settings on the input that comes from my cable box.


But all of the above is largely a matter of taste. I didn't like the SOE appearance of movies with TrueMotion turned on, but realize that at least part of the issue may be that I'm just not used to movies having that appearance....
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I think it IS very relevant to ask about what options a particular set has, for turning motion control on and off, and also for "turning it down a bit" in various ways.


Another relevant question is whether a set can deal with 24 fps content, using 5:5 pull-down.


Plus, as someone noted above, some people like some degree of motion control for OTA viewing (for TV sports, for example), but not for movies. So a set's ability to have different motion control settings for different inputs may also be important.


My LG set (55LW5600), which as a 120 Hz. set, has off/low/high settings choices for its motion control (TrueMotion), which can be set differently for different inputs. The TrueMotion settings also have a "user mode" that lets you set de-judder and de-blur separately.


I have my blu-ray player set to play at 24 fps, and I have TruMotion turned off completely on that input. I have what basically amounts to "low" settings on the input that comes from my cable box.


But all of the above is largely a matter of taste. I didn't like the SOE appearance of movies with TrueMotion turned on, but realize that at least part of the issue may be that I'm just not used to movies having that appearance....
That's pretty much how I have my LG setup as well, but without the cable box. TV for us is by OTA only.
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You simply need to turn off any motion interpolation features on 120Hz or 240Hz sets. 60Hz sets won't have the SOE to begin with.
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That doesn't always work. I previously had a Samsung LN46C630 LCD. Turning off all the motion features didn't eliminate soap opera affect. I returned it.
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I may be in the minority on this forum but I have really started to like the SOE. I did initially turn off Film Mode and Motion Enhancement on my Sharp TV because the Soap Opera Effect was too radical a change for me. However, after a few days of experimenting with the settings, I have it set back on.


I find myself going back and watching movies that I normally would not watch again, and enjoying the different prospective and clarity. The SOE dramatically increases the set detail and makes me feel like I am in the movie rather than watching it. I find myself looking around at the various objects in the scene in addition to watching the main characters (sort of what I do in real life). In some movies I'm noticing the shoe shines, wrinkles in clothes, and some cheesy props. The best way I can describe the difference is the SOE picture is like being on location and seeing the scene with my on eyes vs a 24fps film that looks like I'm viewing a moving HQ painting inside a picture frame.


As an example, I was watching the old (1958) episodes of Rifleman and a few times I was expecting Lucas McCain to say to me; either move out of the way or give me a hand. Again, this is just me and my "on-scene" viewing experience. I believe I read somewhere that older folks (that's me) have an easier time adjusting to the SOE.
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and another one comes out of the woodwork
be careful my friend, we are a minority here
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and another one comes out of the woodwork
be careful my friend, we are a minority here
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I would anger the professional calibrators because I like slightly over-saturated colors. I would anger the audiophiles because I always turn on Bass Boost (if I had it on my Bose Wave Radio, I would turn it on). And I like condiments on my hot dogs and hamburgers. I may get banded for life on this forum...lol.
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I would anger the professional calibrators because I like slightly over-saturated colors. I would anger the audiophiles because I always turn on Bass Boost (if I had it on my Bose Wave Radio, I would turn it on). And I like condiments on my hot dogs and hamburgers. I may get banded for life on this forum...lol.
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Every one of these sins is permissible, just as long as you never put ketchup on a hot dog....


Actually, I know what you mean about SOE in a movie being interesting to watch. And that's exactly the impression I get from it - that I'm on the set, and watching the MAKING of the movie, versus watching the movie itself. I still think that most of the time I want the illusion that the movie "look and feel" provides, rather than the overly-real feeling of being on the set. But it can still be very interesting to go the other way.


I was watching the old 1938 movie "Robin Hood" the other day, and was amazed by the vibrant colors, especially in the scenes set in Prince John's castle. The banners, the guard uniforms, and even the multi-color sparkle of Prince John's (Claude Rains) tunic, were all a lot more vivid than I remember. I also had armed myself with a list of the flaws and continuity errors in this movie, and so part of the entertainment was to watch for those - including one scene where a car can be seen driving through "Sherwood forest" in the far background. A sharp picture also made it very clear that all of the guys who get hit by arrows in the movie had wooden boards under their tunics, to take the arrow hits. (Still not without some risk, I'm sure...)
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That's pretty much how I have my LG setup as well, but without the cable box. TV for us is by OTA only.
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..hey "o.p." have'nt pulled the trigger yet, but some lg passive is likely. How is the ota picture quality of your panel? Does it scale 720p, 1080i well? How does SD pq look? Do these passives 3d panel displays need an after market processor? Ie. I Hear a.bay, marvel etc.. have some nice chips "onk" even has a new 4k upscale solution, tho, cost is, to me, quite expensive. And I haven't the technical knowledge to know if 3d party "up" processing can even be used on a 3d picture? Any input will be appreciated. Tia
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Every one of these sins is permissible, just as long as you never put ketchup on a hot dog....


Actually, I know what you mean about SOE in a movie being interesting to watch. And that's exactly the impression I get from it - that I'm on the set, and watching the MAKING of the movie, versus watching the movie itself. I still think that most of the time I want the illusion that the movie "look and feel" provides, rather than the overly-real feeling of being on the set. But it can still be very interesting to go the other way.


I was watching the old 1938 movie "Robin Hood" the other day, and was amazed by the vibrant colors, especially in the scenes set in Prince John's castle. The banners, the guard uniforms, and even the multi-color sparkle of Prince John's (Claude Rains) tunic, were all a lot more vivid than I remember. I also had armed myself with a list of the flaws and continuity errors in this movie, and so part of the entertainment was to watch for those - including one scene where a car can be seen driving through "Sherwood forest" in the far background. A sharp picture also made it very clear that all of the guys who get hit by arrows in the movie had wooden boards under their tunics, to take the arrow hits. (Still not without some risk, I'm sure...)
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.. lol, :-D you and vfc's word imagery made my day.. excellent..and enjoyable. What chapter is car/ forest scene? Is there a site link that point out these errors, gaffes and "bloopers? That would be fun watching with friends, and family trying to spot these scenes on this vivid LG Panel.
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You simply need to turn off any motion interpolation features on 120Hz or 240Hz sets. 60Hz sets won't have the SOE to begin with.
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That is incorrect. It is not motion blur reduction, (120/240 Hz) frame rate that creates SOE, it is Motion smoothing which is different and separate from the basic frame rate.
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Every one of these sins is permissible, just as long as you never put ketchup on a hot dog....
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That is just too damn funny
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You simply need to turn off any motion interpolation features on 120Hz or 240Hz sets.
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Turn off all motion smoothing, you need to know what each feature does and wether or not it does any smoothing (On my Sony Cinemotion Auto1 does some extra smoothing as well as MotionFlow (motion interpolation)).
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.. lol, :-D you and vfc's word imagery made my day.. excellent..and enjoyable. What chapter is car/ forest scene? Is there a site link that point out these errors, gaffes and "bloopers? That would be fun watching with friends, and family trying to spot these scenes on this vivid LG Panel.
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Here's IMDB's list of gaffes and bloopers in the 1938 film "Robin Hood", starring Errol Flynn.


It's a pretty long list...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029843/goofs


The scene with a car driving by in the background is somewhat near the end of the movie, when Will Scarlett gets off his horse to help the wounded Much the Miller character. You really wouldn't notice it unless you are looking.


The filming locations for the movie are also kind of interesting (see this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adv...bin_Hood_(film )


Everyone probably knows this already, but the part of Little John is played by Alan Hale Sr., the father of the "Skipper" from Gilligan's Island (Alan Hale, Jr.) They look a lot alike.
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