[William Mapstone]

I think I made the decision to hold off upgrading untill 1080P LCD is available. I did a search on this forum and there seems to be some hinting to Epson showing their D5 1080P panel at the January 2005 CES, if I'm not mistaken. I also got the idea that this means their should be 1080P projectors available to consumers by the summer of 2005. Honestly I am having a hard time believing that this would be true, especially since I thought I read somewhere that the price would be around $5000. If this is all true then I am indeed very excited. Can anyone confirm or deny this?


Thanks.

 

[DanHouck]

As I understand it, only the 720P D5 chip MIGHT be available to manufacturers in time to show prototypes at CES. Supposedly the 1080P will not be available until next Summer.


I'll confess, I'm more interested at this point in how the significant improvements in fill factor, CR and response time from the D4 are going to translate into actual projector performance. I keep hoping Sanyo will update their LCD light cannon with a D5 and dynamic iris to give us a 2000CR projector that packs serious lumens for around $5K. They do, I buy.


Dan

 

[Digital2004]

I would join Dan in the hope we get at last a pj with native 1920x1080 , a good real 2000:1 contrast AND brigthness capacity, ideally like the new EIKI HT10 1080p 4 lampes (and 4 or 2 lamps mode), which is a clone (who is making it, EIKI or SANYO ?) of the SANYO. love the look of these beast but $80,000 .... (2500-5500 ANSI)


still, lcd remains more fragile than DILA and DLP.

an HD2K from JVC in a larger case with more brigthness (adjustable from 500 to 2500) would be ideal.

 

[William Mapstone]

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Supposedly the 1080P will not be available until next Summer.

Dan,

Do you mean prototypes of a projector won't be available untill next Summer or prototypes of the actual 1080P panel for manufactures to play with?

 

[Souki]

The Epson D5 panels will still be 720p by CES2005. According to their press release in June 2004, the D5 panel resolution is 1284x724, with 20% better fill factor, and 50% increased contrast level. On the same report it also states that Epson owns 55% of the HTPS market. I wonder if this means the LCD HTPS market? I thought DLP was hovering around 60% of the HTPS market?

http://www.epson.co.jp/e/newsroom/news_2004_06_28.htm


We probably won't start seeing any 1080p LCD until late next year/early 2006. Even then it will be expensive. This would come in time for the soon to be implemented mandatory ATSC tuner in all new tv's 30" or larger, the possible NTSC shutdown at the end of 2006, and the mandatory HDTV broadcast in 2007. If they can make it (1080p chips) sellable they'll release it eventually. But right now people (including broadcasters) are satisfied with the results of 720p. I predict that 1080p LCD won't be released until 2006/2007.


Currently JVC's D-ILA has already surpassed that at QXGA (2048x1536).
http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/prod/tech/dila


And Sony's 4K SXRD is even higher at 8megapixels (4096x2160)!!
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200405/04-027E/

 

[rogo]

HTPS? That refers to high-temperature polysilicon -- it's a type of LCD. DLP has 0% of the LCD market, obviously. What's weird is that I can't believe their share of the HTPS market is that low. I guess at the very low end someone else must make very cheap parts (and, of course, there is still Sony).


Overall, DLP projection has ~40% of the projection market, with a much, much, much higher share of the home-theater, $3500-and-up market.


Mark

 

[DanHouck]

William, I believe that is when the panel itself is supposed to be available. The 720DP panel is supposedly available now or very shortly in limited quantities, which might make it possible for some to appear in projectors in time for CES. I would think that very optimistic time schedule would assume that the panels would first appear in updated versions of current projectors (sorta like the HD2 to HD2+ transition).


The D4 to D5 transition looks pretty major to me, which is why I have decided to wait for it. I probably won't wait for the 1080P version, both because of time and because, at least for the first year or so, it appears the 1080P projectors will be more than I want to spend.


I could be engaging in wistful thinking here, however it appears to me that the combination of the D5 with the dynamic iris could allow for much brighter and higher contrast LCD, say in the 2000 CR range with at least 1500 real lumens, without a lot of additional R&D. Looks to me like projector designers have all the pieces of the puzzle once the D5 appears. Another big plus is the faster response time of the D5.


Dan

 

[noah katz]

"I would think that very optimistic time schedule would assume that the panels would first appear in updated versions of current projectors "


The pixels are smaller, so a 720P D5 can't just be droppped into a 720P D4 pj.

 

[csedaniel]

Dan,


I see you mentioned another big plus would be the faster response time........how important is that to you? What is the major advantage that you see in the faster repsonse time?


Daniel

 

[jschefdog]

Fujitsu was showing a 1080P LCD projector at CEDIA. If I remember right the price was pretty steep (>$20K ???). I don't remember if there was any indication of when it will become available, but you can search this forum for "Fujitsu" to find more.

 

[Tryg]

Quote:

Originally posted by Souki We probably won't start seeing any 1080p LCD until late next year/early 2006. Even then it will be expensive. This would come in time for the soon to be implemented mandatory ATSC tuner in all new tv's 30" or larger, the possible NTSC shutdown at the end of 2006, and the mandatory HDTV broadcast in 2007. If they can make it (1080p chips) sellable they'll release it eventually. But right now people (including broadcasters) are satisfied with the results of 720p. I predict that 1080p LCD won't be released until 2006/2007.

?????


1. Fujitsu and Sanyo already make a 1080p LCD projector (Fujitsu LPF-D711WW, Sanyo PLV-HD10)

2. All projectors are ATSC ready...non issue

3. HDTV is not mandatory

4. You might be satisfied with 720p but I'm not and neither are the 90+ percent of broadcasters that have choosen 1080i instead.

5. 1080p LCD is already released...2004

 

[William Mapstone]

Im not to sure who would pay $20,000 for 1080P LCD?


I can wait a year, as long as I know someone is working on a reasonably priced 1080P LCD (less than $10,000). I am not familiar with the engineering involved in manufacturing panels, but it always seemed obvious to me that the way you tackle the SDE was to simply increase the number of pixels . The improvement of fill factor seems to be moving awful slow. It took way to long for the LCD manufactures to offer 720P, because lets face it, anything much less with the LCD technology is simply not watchable on the typical screen sizes most of us are a custom to.

 

[rogo]

"Im not to sure who would pay $20,000 for 1080P LCD?"


Wait a few months and Fujitsu will have a nice list of customers for you.

 

[Souki]

Quote:

Originally posted by Tryg ????? 2. All projectors are ATSC ready...non issue

I meant with built-in ATSC tuner.

Quote:

3. HDTV is not mandatory

The FCC is still standing by its "tentative analog signal shut-off date of December 31, 2006..."
http://money.howstuffworks.com/frame...mmit_2004.html

Quote:

4. You might be satisfied with 720p but I'm not and neither are the 90+ percent of broadcasters that have choosen 1080i instead.

http://alvyray.com/DigitalTV/Naming_Proposal.htm

http://www.projectorcentral.com/video_signals.htm

 

[Digital2004]

hi

any link to this Futjisu 1080l lcd ? details ?


thanks


still an issue: dust and lcd lifespan. besides, DLP 1080p mono chip will arrive next year too. but LCD is coming from the ashes, this is a certitude !

 

[Brandon B]

Projectors do not have and will not require tuners of any sort. Why are you assuming any requirements for television sets apply in any way to projectors?


BB

 

[Grubert]

According to a rumour posted on homecinema-fr.com the first production model with 1080p D5 Epson panels will come from Panasonic and have a price around €5,000. Expected availability, summer '05.

 

[John Kotches]

Souki says:

Quote:

The FCC is still standing by its "tentative analog signal shut-off date of December 31, 2006..." http://money.howstuffworks.com/fram...ummit_2004.html

You are confusing HDTV with digital transmission.


All the requirement mandates is that the station be broadcasting from their assigned digital channel. While we would all like to see everyone broadcasting 720p or 1080i, the reality is that it will be a lot of 480i material instead.


As long as the station is broadcasting digitally, they have met the requirement, regardless of resolution.

 

[Scott B]

Grubert,

That is great news if correct. SDE should be a non-issue at this resolution, especially if combined with Panasonic's Smoothscreen technology. The big question mark for me would be if the D5 chip will result in a dramatic reduction in vertical banding. Hopefully the projector will have an honest 800-1000 lumens and a 2,000+:1 CR.