[emalkoc]

I have 1121K. I am pretty happy with it, except now I bought an UHD TV w/ HDMI 2.0 inputs.

I would like to upgrade my 1121K but looking for newer models w/ HDMI 2.0 and hopefully HDCP2.2. I know Denon and Onkyo both have pretty good models but I got so familiar with MCACC now. Elite series is an overkill for movie only media room. For music, I already use separates for my upstairs.

Does anyone know when newer model expected to come? I see every Spring Pioneer is releasing newer models. I googled but cannot find any information.

Thanks
Eric

 

[jdsmoothie]

Although generally released in March/April, with the release of the new HDCP 2.2 chip, new releases may be delayed a month or two, although depends on what Onkyo has in mind as the new owner.

 

[emalkoc]

Although generally released in March/April, with the release of the new HDCP 2.2 chip, new releases may be delayed a month or two, only depends on what Onkyo has in mind as the new owner.

That's right. I totally missed Onkyo deal. They might just discontinue lower end models and keep Pioneer as Elite high-end models. Thats how usually done at electronics and computer companies. Yeah maybe last year models were the last ones

I might have to look into Denon or Elite. I could get Atmos system since i got 9.1 (w/FH) setup already to convert it to 7.1.2.

 

[jdsmoothie]

^^
Yes, the Front Height can be used with both Atmos and Auro 3D.

 

[Skylinestar]

^^
Yes, the Front Height can be used with both Atmos and Auro 3D.

Can Atmos work with just the front heights?
I thought the minimum is top heights?

 

[emalkoc]

^^
Yes, the Front Height can be used with both Atmos and Auro 3D.

Thanks!

My layout is little awkward 7.1 with Front heights just above Fronts close to ceiling, 9 speakers. But I could move them closer to sofa. But my Surround L/R are on the ceiling just above the sofa on sides, which makes them ideal for Atmos setup. And surround rears behind the sofa. I get good 7.1 playback especially w/ DTS Master HD. I have yet to run into True HD recently.

As you suggest, if I were to upgrade for Atmos receicer, this could be 5.1.4 layout or 7.1.2. I am looking at Denon X4100W, it has only 7 amps vs my current receiver has 9. It has strange setup requires amp to power Height speakers. SC-85 is a nicer one w/ 9 amps directly supports 9.1 setup as well as .

So, to make it ideal, 7.1 playback (DTS HD, True HD ) and DSU setup.. What receiver and what setup (5.1.4) vs (7.1.2) ? or any other suggestions are welcome

 

[jdsmoothie]

^^
Unless you plan on lowering the raised SL/SR speakers, you're more likely better served leaving the Front Heights in their current location rather than moving them closer to the main listening position. Also if keeping the raised surrounds, you would need to add floor level surrounds as well in order to have a 5.1.4 setup, otherwise, you would be limited to 7.1.2.

Denon has reduced the MSRP on the X4100W thru today so the purchase of it and a 2CH amp (eg. AudioSource 100) to power the Front Height speakers would be roughly the same cost as the SC-85. Either model is Atmos capable. If you want more specific information or pricing on this product, please contact us; if we don’t have the product in stock, we can usually get it very quickly.

 

[jdsmoothie]

Can Atmos work with just the front heights?
I thought the minimum is top heights?

Yes, it can on all but Onkyo Atmos models (although you could simply use the Top Front label for the Front Height speakers on Onkyo models). You can use the same 5.1.2 (Front Height) or 7.1.2 (Front Height) configuration with Atmos, Auro 3D, and DTS Neo:X.

 

[Harmon Fan]

I have 1121K. I am pretty happy with it, except now I bought an UHD TV w/ HDMI 2.0 inputs.

I would like to upgrade my 1121K but looking for newer models w/ HDMI 2.0 and hopefully HDCP2.2. I know Denon and Onkyo both have pretty good models but I got so familiar with MCACC now. Elite series is an overkill for movie only media room. For music, I already use separates for my upstairs.

Does anyone know when newer model expected to come? I see every Spring Pioneer is releasing newer models. I googled but cannot find any information.

Thanks
Eric

Pioneer has just announced two new elite models with Dolby Atmos and HDCP 2.2 compliance. The VSX90 and the VSX45. See their website. These are also in their traditional line.

 

[htpcforever]

Elite Models:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/VSX-90 - 7.2 and Atmos
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/VSX-45 - 5.2 NO Atmos


Standard Models:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1130-K - 7.2 and Atmos
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-830-K - 5.2 NO Atmos


I have to say, pretty pathetic all in all. They are all HDCP 2.2 and full HDMI 2.0 though.

 

[dftkell]

Elite Models:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/VSX-90 - 7.2 and Atmos
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/VSX-45 - 5.2 NO Atmos


Standard Models:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1130-K - 7.2 and Atmos
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-830-K - 5.2 NO Atmos


I have to say, pretty pathetic all in all. They are all HDCP 2.2 and full HDMI 2.0 though.

Why do you think the new line is pathetic?

 

[darknite9099]

Elite Models:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/VSX-90 - 7.2 and Atmos
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/VSX-45 - 5.2 NO Atmos


Standard Models:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1130-K - 7.2 and Atmos
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-830-K - 5.2 NO Atmos


I have to say, pretty pathetic all in all. They are all HDCP 2.2 and full HDMI 2.0 though.

Seems like the only 'pathetic' thing is how long they took to include wi-fi instead of gouging $100 for the add-on wi-fi adapter. Now that its included on all 2015 models I will be updating the theater and TV room systems!

 

[htpcforever]

Why do you think the new line is pathetic?

They top out at a scant 7.2. I hope this is just the beginning and that they do not stop there. 7.2 with Atmos gives you basically nothing. A 5 surround setup with only 2 on the ceiling. Might as well not bother.


I have nothing against Pioneer - I have owned and loved them - but Atmos with only 7 amps is silly.

 

[toddman36]

With the Elite 90 at 700.00 and only 7 channels of amplifacation, and no flip down front panel. I doubt seriously, its the only Elite Atmos capable avr!

 

[darknite9099]

With the Elite 90 at 700.00 and only 7 channels of amplifacation, and no flip down front panel. I doubt seriously, its the only Elite Atmos capable avr!

To think for a moment that they would 'top out' at 7.2 is kinda ridiculous. If this is like last year(s), the low end ELITE models get introduced in March, with the high end Elite models (9.2, 11.2) following in June.


The weird thing is the standard VSX line naming, jumping from xx24 to xx30
Before it was a year thing, 2011 = 521, 821, 1021, 1121 2012 = 522, 822, 1022, 1122 2013 = 523, 823, 1023, 1123 2014 = 524, 824, 1024, 1124

Now, 2015 = 530, 830, 1030, 1130??!! 30 = Onkyo Atmos?

 

[Enitime]

As others have pointed out, the VSX line never had more than 7 channels of amplification. Pioneer only have more with their class D amplifiers that get announced a month or two later.

The weird thing is the standard VSX line naming, jumping from xx24 to xx30
Before it was a year thing, 2011 = 521, 821, 1021, 1121 2012 = 522, 822, 1022, 1122 2013 = 523, 823, 1023, 1123 2014 = 524, 824, 1024, 1124

Now, 2015 = 530, 830, 1030, 1130??!!

Pioneer also had intermediate models with the model number +5.. 824/829, 1024/1029, etc.

The problem with that is that back in 2010 they had 920/925, 1020/1025 etc. so in 2015 they would start overlapping.

 

[darknite9099]

As others have pointed out, the VSX line never had more than 7 channels of amplification. Pioneer only have more with their class D amplifiers that get announced a month or two later.


Pioneer also had intermediate models with the model number +5.. 824/829, 1024/1029, etc.

The problem with that is that back in 2010 they had 920/925, 1020/1025 etc. so in 2015 they would start overlapping.

Thanks for the 2010 number +5 info, didn't know that. And then there was 2012 and 2013 when the 'regular consumer' VSX line hosted some higher end type SC models....

And the Elite line with its two VSX models......

Don'tcha love marketing?