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eas looking at axiom audio speakers , specifically either a bookshelf or possible one of their on wall speakers for front left and right and center. Would anyone have any experince withthem? Thanks in advance.
 

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If this review is any indication of the current builds, I would steer clear my friend.
https://www.skiingninja.com/Articles.asp?ID=173

I myself was intrigued buy them, almost bought a couple of there big towers.. But I went with my gut and went with paradigm.

You also have too ask if there lack of presence on AVS is any indication of quality (or lack thereof)
 

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Actually, I had done a search on here and could not find much..I wasnt sure if my search was not that well worded ( Searched for Axion Audio) or just not much to say on the speakers. I was intrigued by them simply becasue I could put them on a wall over two doors. I have placement problems in my room for front speakers. Currently I have a a left and right speaker in a wall unit down low where a drawer would be with a cloth covering. Not the best spot. I was thinking of possibly def tech and seeing if they could be hung from ceioling tilted down. (8 foot ceiling). Thanks for the response.
 

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If this review is any indication of the current builds, I would steer clear my friend.
https://www.skiingninja.com/Articles.asp?ID=173

I myself was intrigued buy them, almost bought a couple of there big towers.. But I went with my gut and went with paradigm.

You also have too ask if there lack of presence on AVS is any indication of quality (or lack thereof)
Yikes... Thanks for posting that. Axiom has some explaining to do....
 

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If this review is any indication of the current builds, I would steer clear my friend.
https://www.skiingninja.com/Articles.asp?ID=173

I myself was intrigued buy them, almost bought a couple of there big towers.. But I went with my gut and went with paradigm.

You also have too ask if there lack of presence on AVS is any indication of quality (or lack thereof)
Thanks for the article. I was actually deciding between these and some Paradigm Monitors...looks like Axiom is out of the running.
 

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Lol I love my monitors. Not as flashy as the studios, but everyone who hears them is just as impressed as I.

I am glad I could help, I just do not want someone wasting there, (in my case at least) hard earned money.

But I cannot take full credit for the link, I found it in a post by fellow AVSer mojomike. So he should get props!
 

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Lol I love my monitors. Not as flashy as the studios, but everyone who hears them is just as impressed as I.

I am glad I could help, I just do not want someone wasting there, (in my case at least) hard earned money.

But I cannot take full credit for the link, I found it in a post by fellow AVSer mojomike. So he should get props!

I love the white mid woofer cones, it just makes look so clean. Hopefully I will be going to demo some Titans or Monitor 7's this weekend.
 

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I had some M22Tis for a bit.


As the waterfall plots have shown, confirmed what I heard, and that is the drivers do exhibit extended notes in the midrange and I found this unbearable.
 

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Owned a pair of Axioms and A/B them against a few others. They are ear-splitting bright w/ an ultra thin midrange. I thought my Wilson 5.1s were bright! Not compared to these speakers.


Axiom is up there with AV123 for the most overrated speakers in existence.


-Brian
 

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I was 99% convinced to go with the QS8s for surround duty, but this thread has me backing off a bit. I do like the dispersed sound for the surrounds. How do the QS8s compare to the Definitive Technology BP series (BP1.2x, BP2x, BPX)? I've found some decent deals on those which puts them a little cheaper than the QS8s. But, I don't want to skimp on a few $ if the Axioms are better. I do have highly sensitive fronts (CHT SHO-10), which may factor into which surrounds might work best.
 

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As with everything else on the web .... opinions vary.


It just depends on the weight that you give the few opinions given here versus many satisfied actual OWNERS:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=axiom


In the end it's all up to YOUR ears in your listening environment and AXIOM has a 30 day return policy.


Bill C

Did you read the article? These are not just opinions, they are facts. The measurements are there for all to see. If the measurements were taken inaccurately then Axiom should have disputed them. If the crossover is not as cheap as was found then Axiom should dispute it. Not sure how Axiom can dispute the lack or polyfill or bracing since the proof is in the pictures. The fact that Axiom has not denied the allegations is pretty telling, no?


Does the 30 day return policy cover shipping?
 

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I was 99% convinced to go with the QS8s for surround duty, but this thread has me backing off a bit. I do like the dispersed sound for the surrounds. How do the QS8s compare to the Definitive Technology BP series (BP1.2x, BP2x, BPX)? I've found some decent deals on those which puts them a little cheaper than the QS8s. But, I don't want to skimp on a few $ if the Axioms are better. I do have highly sensitive fronts (CHT SHO-10), which may factor into which surrounds might work best.
Audioholics (I think it was Tom Andy doing the review) said that Emotiva's erd-1 surrounds were much better sounding than the qs8's but I can't find the specific article where he said that now. The erd's are also about $400 per pair, vs I think $550 for the qs8s.
 

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Axiom has a pretty big marketing machine. I see their ads EVERYWHERE on all the AV sites. And the critic reviews all seem universally excellent. However the customer testimonials on this site I've noticed have a lot of people mentioning extended decay of highs...and these are validated by measurements...I don't think this is a coincidence.


FWIW this does not make Axiom speakers a terrible product. I just think in the same price range there are better speakers that objectively measure better.
 

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Axiom has a pretty big marketing machine. I see their ads EVERYWHERE on all the AV sites. And the critic reviews all seem universally excellent. However the customer testimonials on this site I've noticed have a lot of people mentioning extended decay of highs...and these are validated by measurements...I don't think this is a coincidence.


FWIW this does not make Axiom speakers a terrible product. I just think in the same price range there are better speakers that objectively measure better.
Reminds me a little of Bose if you ask me
 

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Audioholics (I think it was Tom Andy doing the review) said that Emotiva's erd-1 surrounds were much better sounding than the qs8's but I can't find the specific article where he said that now. The erd's are also about $400 per pair, vs I think $550 for the qs8s.

The ERD's are a great value. Just keep in mind that these are rated at 4ohms (although I would think a receiver that is not rated to handle 4ohm would be okay since these are surrounds vs mains).
 

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This is Brent from Axiom Audio. Though we rarely interject in forums, even our own; it seemed relevant in this case to explain a bit of the background with Skiing Ninja.* Skiing Ninja first came to our attention when they showed up on the Axiom Forum trying to sell an “upgraded” cross-over for our M22 model for almost the cost of the entire M22 speaker.* Even though this is a blatant violation of one of the few Axiom Forum rules we decided not to dwell on that point but rather to get involved and asked them to send us a pair of their “upgraded” x-overs for testing.* This offer was met by an initial acceptance then followed by many various excuses as to why they could not follow through.* As would be expected this laundry list of excuses piqued the interest in some of our board members and one of them sent us a pair of these x-overs they had purchased.* We were hoping that these x-overs would show some sort of benefit or at worst not be a detriment as it was sort of cool to have aftermarket products available for our products.* (It also meant the purchaser of the Skiing Ninja x-overs would also have to be the purchaser of a pair of M22s which is always a good thing)


We conducted a series of measurements on the Skiing Ninja x-overs and also subjected them to a double blind listening test.* Both the measurements and the double blind listening tests revealed some basic flaws with their “upgraded” design.* As a result the Skiing Ninja x-overs lost the double blind listen test to the production x-overs.*


After this incident Skiing Ninja became quite belligerent towards Axiom and started bashing us at every opportunity, which is apparent in earlier referenced Skiing Ninja “review” of our M80s.* This “review” contains numerous factual errors and unfounded conclusions.* One of their major complaints is centered around what is known as comb filtering.* This is a subject we understand thoroughly as we design speakers that exhibit this exact phenomenon; on purpose.* We have published a few articles on the subject of comb filtering and have done extensive research into it.*

I invite you to read for yourself:

Axiom newsletter article by Alan Lofft on comb filtering:
http://www.axiomaudio.com/archives/may2009.html


Forum post by Ian Colquhoun on comb filtering:
http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubb...=284865&page=4


Axiom owners’ comments on their M80s:
http://www.axiomaudio.com/customreviewstowers.html#m80
 

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I was always interested in the fact that Axiom owners stated that Axioms were comparable with the Paradigm Studio line.

I recently went from the Monitor line to the Studio line and I fell in love with the studio's the first time I heard them. I've now completed my home theatre system with the Studio line and was thinking about running a pair of bookshelves in another room with a stereo receiver. Not being a rich man I decided to give the Axioms a try. So I ended up ordering a pair of M3's as I thought they would compare to the Studio 20's. It says on the Axiom site that they recommend the M3's if you are not running a sub. I bought a Cambridge Audio stereo receiver for my secondary system in another room. My Axioms arrived on Friday and I was anxious to get them hooked up and listen to them.

Anyway, I took them out of the box and I thought they are not too bad looking, obviously not compared with the Studio 20's, but not bad.

There is a major weight difference between the Studio's and the Axioms, 12.7 lbs. for the Axioms versus 24 lbs for the Paradigm. That is a big difference.

I hooked them up in my livingroom so I could compare them side by side with the Studio 20's ( Picture attached), I started playing the Axiom first which were set as B speakers. I played a couple of songs, and I thought not too bad. Then I made the mistake of hitting the A button, wow, what a difference, they were no where near comparable, you could do a sighted test a blind test, wouldn't matter, no way Axioms could beat Paradigm. I then thought maybe I needed a second opinion, and asked the wife to listen to both. Her response was "I told you not to buy into the hype". I asked her what she thought we should do at this point and she said send them back and get another pair of Studio's for the secondary system.

I sent them back Monday, the following Thursday I went to my local retailer and ended up purchasing the Studio 10's. It was easily the right move.

The M3's really sounded like they had a blanket over them. I am not sure how to explain the bass, it was there, but very weak. The Paradigm definately have some oomph to them.

It really goes to show you when you compare something side by side in your own home you really hear the truth.

Anyway, I am not here to put down Axiom, just giving my opinion. If you find my comments negative toward the Axioms, it is only negative when in comparison to the Studio's.

I have never paid full price for my Paradigm products from my local retailer, but I did have to ask myself if it is worth the extra money for the Studio's, the easy answer for me is absolutely yes, worth every extra penny.

My wife still calls me an dumbass for buying into the "similarly good" premise. To sum it up, I love my Paradigm Studio's and I learned a lesson.

Once you find the perfect speaker for you, stop looking!
 

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Interesting design choice regarding the comb filtering. Thank you for posting Brent.


John1400, the I heard the M3s and I thought they had the same issue as the M22s I owned. They are described having no crossover for the woofer and allowed to roll off naturally. This sounds very strange indeed, as I understand aluminum mids typically exhibit ringing in the higher registers if not crossed over properly.
 
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