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Anybody else really want this feature on their processor?

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My main problem is that I can't see the volume level from my preamp via OSD (my equipment is behind a rack). It would help to know what the volume is when I change it, and to get the visual feedback.


I think my preamp/processor only sends out an OSD video signal when volume is changed or the menu is called. How hard would it be to monitor for changes in this pre/pro signal and overlay it onto the regular video signal temporarily (ie, until it goes away on the pre/pro)?


It would really help in controlling a preamp/processor with OSD, if it could actually be overlaid onto the main output (with the current video feed).


Does anyone else care?!


Thanks,

Mark
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"My main problem is that I can't see the volume level from my preamp via OSD (my equipment is behind a rack). It would help to know what the volume is when I change it, and to get the visual feedback. "


Put up a small LCD monitor in your line of site and feed it from your pre-pro. This is how I took care of it as I didn't want any OSD information being overlayed onto the big picture, far too distracting to me. The LCD monitor was a 7" unit typically used for car video applications. I think I bought it for around $125.


Shawn
Mark,


I actually sent Lumagen a request for this a while ago:

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...A suggestion or idea for a future firmware implementation. Most Surround Sound Processors, Receivers etc. have an onscreen menu for setup for vital processing information, volume information, surround format info etc that is sent via its monitor output. It would be nice to be able to overlay this output without having to switch inputs to see it much the way if you use your receiver or SSP as a video switcher this menu or information is always visible. Is there anyway to designate a composite, s-video, or component input for this function?
The reply was as follows:
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This has been suggested before. Its an interesting idea that we may pursue in a future product. Thanks for the suggestion.



I thought about Shawn's suggestion, but figured the next SSP I buy might have the LCD built in. In the meantime, I am just running the monitor out into a composite input on the Lumagen. It hasn't been a problem as I need to access it so infrequently I just change inputs, and the volume thing is just not that big a deal.
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Thanks Phil. I guess we are on the same wavelength!


I can't use an LCD or any other way to view the volume -- my whole home theater was designed from the ground up to be as invisible as possible (except for the screen, of course). Trying to hide a small screen somewhere would just get me in trouble with my spouse!


Why use a separate screen and spend $125 when I have a 61" monitor I am already looking at? It would just be a nice feature, at least for me. Apparently only a few others want to see it, so I won't hold my breath.


Mark
FYI,


gensynced Overlay can significantly reduce the PQ of an image.
Thanks Ofer. It is interesting that the overlay would cause significant degradation to the quality. I didn't know this.


I think this would be just for a few seconds while changing volume. It would not be something done for the whole movie.
Phil,


"I thought about Shawn's suggestion, but figured the next SSP I buy might have the LCD built in."


If you can see your SSP from your listening/viewing position why do you need the OSD? In my case my equipment isn't in my theater room so I needed to be able to see what was going on with my pre-pro.


Mark,


"Why use a separate screen and spend $125 when I have a 61" monitor I am already looking at?"


I didn't want to have to turn on my projector just to see the volume of my pre-pro when I'm listening to music. And I didn't want the OSD coming up while I'm watching a movie on the big screen. That just totally kills the effect of the big screen IME.


Shawn
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Phil,


"I thought about Shawn's suggestion, but figured the next SSP I buy might have the LCD built in."


If you can see your SSP from your listening/viewing position why do you need the OSD? In my case my equipment isn't in my theater room so I needed to be able to see what was going on with my pre-pro.
It is really about convenience. Yes I can see the SSP, but it is behind a door in a cabinet and is a little hard to read. Like I said above, it is really a non issue for me as the need to go and make a change is so infrequent and would not happen during viewing. I still think it is a neat idea, but not any where being a necessity.
My pre pro (Bryston SP 1.7) doesn't even output OSD since it doesn't have any video switching. Instead it has a two row LCD on the unit. The pre pro is at the back of the room behind the 3rd row of seating so I can't even see the LCD. Very quickly, I got used to not having anything on the screen. I can tell that I am increasing or decreasing the volume by the sound and the flashing light on the xantech IR received positioned high above my screen. I've been doing this for a few years. BTW Some scalers don't even have OSD!


For DVD-A I do have a small LCD monitor that is hooked up to the composite out from my universal so I can choose the tracks. The LCD monitor is discreetly positioned under a drink stand so you wouldn't even know it was there unless I pointed it out.
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Mark,


"Why use a separate screen and spend $125 when I have a 61" monitor I am already looking at?"


I didn't want to have to turn on my projector just to see the volume of my pre-pro when I'm listening to music. And I didn't want the OSD coming up while I'm watching a movie on the big screen. That just totally kills the effect of the big screen IME.


Shawn
OK. I see now. We don't really just listen to music in our theater. It is 95% video related. And some of the music is DVD concerts. You solution makes complete sense to me now.


I wonder how hard it would be to add OSD overlay to a scaler.
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OK. I see now. We don't really just listen to music in our theater. It is 95% video related. And some of the music is DVD concerts. You solution makes complete sense to me now.


I wonder how hard it would be to add OSD overlay to a scaler.
Example of a small monitor for osd:

http://www.submarine.nl/mmbase/danie...s/monitor2.jpg
http://www.submarine.nl/mmbase/danie...s/monitor1.jpg



I also use several touchscreens (15") on a htpc one is located on the couch and is on a 15sec auto turn off. The video (and so the osd) is overlayed by the htpc and i can zoom in and out the video for several ways of use.

http://www.submarine.nl/mmbase/danie...netremote2.jpg
http://www.submarine.nl/mmbase/danie...netremote3.jpg


Daniel.
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My equipment is located in a cellar. It would be very nice to be able to see the OCD of my Parasound.


Dan
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