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Things to know:

  • Apple has a [public beta program] which, while not risk-free, sometimes supports in-demand features (e.g. Match or Sony DV support). Releases are [announced here] (RSS)
  • Assume that if you install a public beta on a machine without a USB port (ATV4K) you cannot roll back to the current production release.
  • Leaving the public beta program is described in the program document linked above and specifically [on this page].
  • The developer heads up display (HUD) will display debug records for apps that support that feature. These records include the source video format. See [this post] for guidance. [This is the referenced Stack Overflow article]. You will need the current Xcode beta release (and a Mac). This display is the only way to determine stream type for most apps.
Please note that the only way to provide feedback to Apple is the Feedback Assistant which can only be installed on an iOS/macOS machine enrolled in the beta program or feedbackassistant via the web. Apple does not provide engineering engagement to public beta enrollees. Apple does not provide "feedback to the submitter" for issues reported regarding public beta releases.

If you have a single ATV and it's your only Homekit gateway do not install beta software if losing the gateway is unacceptable. If you cannot tolerate failed apps or loss of service please do NOT install beta software.

If you do get a apple.com/.../restore error on an ATV4K Apple should replace the device warranty status notwithstanding. Don't just go to a store, you will have to call support and you may have to get it escalated.

Tending updates:
This is nominally the public beta thread and leaving the public beta is as simple as setting Get Beta Updates to Off. If you've loaded the beta profile you'll need to remove that.
I suggest you leave Automatically Update Off and monitor the release updates (https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/) if you want to switch to a commercial (non-beta) release. When you see the GM posted if you are running an earliet release set beta off.
 

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Thanks good idea
 

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Remote App bug in 11.3b2/15L5175d

The remote app will not (reliably) control 15L5175d unless it's running under 11.3b2 /15E5178f.

I won't typically say "or newer". It's always implied.
 

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The remote app will not (reliably) control 15L5175d unless it's running under 11.3b2 /15E5178f.

I won't typically say "or newer". It's always implied.
What does that mean? Are you saying that the remote flat won’t work with 15L5175d? I appreciate your trying to keep us informed, but sometimes your posts are not easy to understand.
 

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What does that mean?
This means (in my experience) that as of b2 you need iOS beta to control tvOS beta. The remote app programs are the same so I assume there's been some low level handshake change. I do expect that this is a simple regression that leaked because everyone testing inadvertently used iOS beta. I would also expect it to be fixed quickly.

I didn't check iOS b1 because I'd already loaded b2 on my iPad before noticed the ATV issue and I didn't want to move back to b1.
 
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This means (in my experience) that as of b2 you need iOS beta to control tvOS beta. The remote app programs are the same so I assume there's been some low level handshake change. I do expect that this is a simple regression that leaked because everyone testing inadvertently used iOS beta. I would also expect it to be fixed quickly.

I didn't check iOS b1 because I'd already loaded b2 on my iPad before noticed the ATV issue and I didn't want to move back to b1.
In your original post, you made no reference to iOS beta software, which is why I didn’t understand what you were saying. I don’t run beta software on my iPad. And I don’t really use the iOS ATV remote, preferring to use my Harmony, so no big deal. Thank you for clarifying.
 

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This means (in my experience) that as of b2 you need iOS beta to control tvOS beta. The remote app programs are the same so I assume there's been some low level handshake change. I do expect that this is a simple regression that leaked because everyone testing inadvertently used iOS beta. I would also expect it to be fixed quickly.

I didn't check iOS b1 because I'd already loaded b2 on my iPad before noticed the ATV issue and I didn't want to move back to b1.
Now I get it. Thanks.
 

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I left Hulu app active until ATV 4K went to sleep on its timeout and turned TV off. This morning I found my Hulu app had signed me out.

Signing in, I couldn't resume an on-demand 24p show from previous pause until above sleep as my power down for the night.

I tried closing Hulu app and all apps with app switcher and even rebooting but couldn't restart that show; I had a prolonged black screen with failure to get back to app or UI each time; finally getting the UI after some time and multiple button presses. Multiple reboots didn't help either.

Finished the episode on the Roku Ultra and came back to the ATV much later; couldn't duplicate the error. All seems normal now.

Seems this has happened before on beta and cleared itself up as before. I know some posters had reported having to fast forward Vudu to get playback to start but that didn't help me with Hulu on-demand.

Maybe I shouldn't leave paid subscription apps active when ATV sleeps? Usually I come back in after some time to Hulu and there's a dialogue about signal lost or similar. I press OK and ATV goes to show I was viewing before before auto sleeping. Hulu app updated too so maybe there's a change brewing there too.

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On B2 here...

TNT app unstable.

Had to use airplay from my iPAD through the Apple V4K to watch The Alienest. Otherwise no sound, lip sync awful when there was sound, etc.
 

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There needs to be a way to back out of a bad beta. You don't know if you're going to have issues until you try it. So the idea that you know the risks so its inconsistent to complain about being stuck with beta FW issues doesn't wash. You don't know until you try it.

Apple needs to have away to let us walk these things back to more stable FW even if its the previous beta.
 

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There needs to be a way to back out of a bad beta. You don't know if you're going to have issues until you try it. So the idea that you know the risks so its inconsistent to complain about being stuck with beta FW issues doesn't wash. You don't know until you try it.

Apple needs to have away to let us walk these things back to more stable FW even if its the previous beta.
Apple does have a documented way to go back to a production ATV4K version but a couple of people in the ATV thread say it doesn’t work. I personally haven’t tried it.
 

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There's a way for previous gen's with the port to do so. I've not found anyway for the 4K's. VUDU has issues, now TNT.

Something's not right, I know rocket science, and I'd like to go back one beta. We'll see if a b3 is coming soon.
 

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There needs to be a way to back out of a bad beta. You don't know if you're going to have issues until you try it. So the idea that you know the risks so its inconsistent to complain about being stuck with beta FW issues doesn't wash. You don't know until you try it.



Apple needs to have away to let us walk these things back to more stable FW even if its the previous beta.


Yep. I had to swap mine out for a new one at the Apple store. No questions asked. PITA though.


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You don't know if you're going to have issues until you try it. So the idea that you know the risks so its inconsistent to complain about being stuck with beta FW issues doesn't wash.
You argument only makes sense if you're being forced to use beta software. It's your choice and the consequences are your responsibility.
 

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“Only makes sense...”

Nope, you are wrong.

You don’t know the risk until you try it. No way to make an informed decision as a result. Needs to be a way to back out of it when it becomes clear that a FW is turd. Once you have the information and you figure out its a turd, we need One Wipe Charlies to mitigate the mistake.

B2 seems to be a turd.

Please fire away with the you’re big and I’m small if you’d like. You’re still wrong.
 

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You argument only makes sense if you're being forced to use beta software. It's your choice and the consequences are your responsibility.
Hard to buy that argument. If any manufacturer provides you with an optional way to use their product, you make that choice and then it no longer works; they don't come back and say it was your choice and the consequences are your responsibility. Apple apparently agrees and that's why they will "swap it out" if you take your ATV to the store.
 

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I remain conflicted as to how much of a beta tester I want to be for Apple.

There are a ton of things they never fix despite direct member feedback in THEIR forums. I stopped giving them free advice since they have never fixed anything based on that advice. They are a FOR PROFIT company and therefore it doesn't make sense or us to test for "free". They would get a lot more beta testers if they sent out itunes gift card codes for participating.

Generally in medical studies, the patients don't pay for treatment drugs and this should be no different.

Anyway... back to the original topic...

has anyone seen new info about Dolby Atmos coming to ATV more recently? This is the big "hole" in their offerings besides DTS X or even routine 7.1. If they at least got a ton of Dolby Atmos content, I would be pleased.
 

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I remain conflicted as to how much of a beta tester I want to be for Apple.

There are a ton of things they never fix despite direct member feedback in THEIR forums. I stopped giving them free advice since they have never fixed anything based on that advice. They are a FOR PROFIT company and therefore it doesn't make sense or us to test for "free". They would get a lot more beta testers if they sent out itunes gift card codes for participating.
I'm on the beta program for only one reason (and it's the only reason I bought the ATV4K). I want the "low latency" version of DV for my Z9D. Once it's available on Apple's regular public firmware, I'm out of here!

However, I'm pleased that I found another reason to own the ATV4K. For us, iTunes Movies provides an excellent selection, reasonable prices, and high quality place to obtain entertainment.
 

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You argument only makes sense if you're being forced to use beta software. It's your choice and the consequences are your responsibility.
Until the ATV4K came out Apple allowed me for a user to restore back to a production image via the USB-C port via iTunes. All other Apple devices allow for a restore the same way. I have read various reasons as to why they removed it (mostly related to protecting their IP) but wouldn’t it have made sense if they would have set aside a partition that contained the original FW so people wouldn’t be stuck? I’m in the dev program so I know what I got into but the public beta people are different.
 

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You don’t know the risk until you try it. No way to make an informed decision as a result.
Apple makes the risk clear. "Please note that since the public beta software has not yet been commercially released by Apple, it may contain errors or inaccuracies and may not function as well as commercially released software."
Hard to buy that argument. If any manufacturer provides you with an optional way to use their product, you make that choice and then it no longer works; they don't come back and say it was your choice and the consequences are your responsibility.
In fact that's exactly what they say.
Until the ATV4K came out Apple allowed me for a user to restore back to a production image via the USB-C port via iTunes. All other Apple devices allow for a restore the same way. I have read various reasons as to why they removed it (mostly related to protecting their IP) but wouldn’t it have made sense if they would have set aside a partition that contained the original FW so people wouldn’t be stuck?
They could have preserved the ability for the ATV4K to roll-back. They didn't. That's that. The excerpts from Apple below make it pretty clear.

What is the Apple Beta Software Program?
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Install the beta software only on non-production devices that are not business critical. We strongly recommend installing on a secondary system or device, or on a secondary partition on your Mac.

What's the difference between this programa and the Apple Developer Program?

The Apple Beta Software Program collects feedback on pre-release software. The Apple Developer Program allows developers to test and build applications. Participants in the Apple Beta Software Program may receive different beta software from participants in the Apple Developer Program.


How do I stop receiving public betas and install the next shipping iOS, macOS, or tvOS release?
When your device is enrolled in the Apple Beta Software Program, you will automatically receive new versions of the public beta from iOS Software Update, the Mac App Store, or tvOS Software Update. At any time, you may unenroll your device so that it no longer receives these updates. Then, when the next version of commercial software is released, you can install it from... tvOS Software Update.


Unenroll Your Devices to Stop Receiving Public Betas
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Once your setting has changed, your Apple TV will no longer receive tvOS public betas. When the next commercial version of tvOS is released, it will automatically install if you have Automatic Software Update turned on. Or, you can install it from Settings > System > Software Updates > Update Software.
 
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