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Without a doubt I agree. I'm just factoring in WAF lol.

Which brought me to the supersat high mounted at an angle.
The SVS Prime Elevation in white should have a pretty high WAF. It's not so much the size of the speaker cabinet, but its shape and finish that determines how well it integrates into a living space.
 

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For anyone still in doubt as to whether Heights work well for Atmos, check out HTG #337 and Scotts comments on the Wolf Cinema demo at CES done with all heights (about 1:07:20), not only did he think it wss very good, later on he puts it in his picks for one of the best sounds at the show.
Seaton showed well with heights at AXPONA or RMAF too.

Do you know of any pics of the Wolf room? I'm curious to see the spacing of the height channels (directly above mains, or?)
 

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Just throwing this out in case others want to try:

On height speakers, I am using 4 height speakers. I have played around with placement. My rears are about 55 degrees behind me if you face them (so technically, 125 degrees behind I guess.) I have them pointed toward the MLP. My fronts are between 25 to 30 degrees. I have found that leaving them in the same place (about 5 inches below the ceiling) but firing them upward into ceiling about 20 inches out works best. At those low angles, firing them toward the MLP is a weaker effect (I guess less separation with my front 3), while firing them into the ceiling creates more of an overhead sound effect. Also, the highs have about the same frequency response either way (response curve in looks about same either way), so I do not seem to be losing any sound clarity or anything by reflecting them off the ceiling.
 

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really useful thread this, help me make my final decision about speakers placement, well almost.

My current setup (I have a 7.2 amp) is a standard 5.1 with front left/right, center but I cant have side surrounds as I've got a small room so my surrounds are on the wall right behind my head. Where this isnt ideal it seems to work ok, I just drop the volume a little and it evens it all out.

I decided to use my spare two speaker slots for some ATMOS love but I really, really didnt want to faff about getting wire up to the ceiling and cutting holes. So after reading this thread I thought it try the easiest option first, two height speakers.

My speakers are Mission M3, before you laugh I have a smallish room and they sound great, where I have my Sub placed I also get loads of lovely low end so I'm super happy with their compact package.

I've positioned my height speakers about 3 inches from the celing on the same wall as my fronts, I have also found that If I point them up slighty the sound travels right along the celing and the overhead effect sounds everywhere and not just top front.

I now wish i'd got a 9.2 amp as I can really hear the benefit of the height speakers on the helicopter demo, its just a shame I cant hear it moving back and forth, front to back or round in a circle, just left to right but like some have said, its a massive extra chunk for a 9.2.

My amp is denon AXR2200, vey happy with it.
 

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front heights instead of ceiling:

Been using these for a few days now, i've noticed that my front left/right/center negate some of my height specifically on my system as my mission M3's have quite a wide dispersal and I have the center above the TV and so its quite high.

I moved the center below the TV and the left and right lower down and the height was even more pronounced, obviously :).
 

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Ok...someone tell me this plz

7.1 with front heights here...

heights 3foot above fronts...

heights facing direct, not angled to me.

Using atmos 5.1.2 .......... is it better to have the amp setting on front heights OR top front.... cant really tell any difference?
 

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Ok...someone tell me this plz

7.1 with front heights here...

heights 3foot above fronts...

heights facing direct, not angled to me.

Using atmos 5.1.2 .......... is it better to have the amp setting on front heights OR top front.... cant really tell any difference?
If you can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter, odds are you have them placed very close to the intersection overlap between the two, so it really won't matter.
 

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If you can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter, odds are you have them placed very close to the intersection overlap between the two, so it really won't matter.
TBF I have only tried it on pseudo atmos yet so may be difference of something like mad max blu ray Il try tmrw.

Basically what Im gettin at is......at what position is it better to use front top instead of front height?
What is the difference anyway with those settings, does it fire out sound better on front top...what is it all about?
 

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TBF I have only tried it on pseudo atmos yet so may be difference of something like mad max blu ray Il try tmrw.

Basically what Im gettin at is......at what position is it better to use front top instead of front height?
What is the difference anyway with those settings, does it fire out sound better on front top...what is it all about?
From experimentation the Top positions have seemed to be more discrete in their movement and placement of sound, but.... This was only tested with 4 overheads, I don't think anyone has tested the difference with only 2.
 

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From experimentation the Top positions have seemed to be more discrete in their movement and placement of sound, but.... This was only tested with 4 overheads, I don't think anyone has tested the difference with only 2.
cool, I defo need to try some experiments.....

I suppose if my speakers are actually in a front height PLIIz position, I should put it on front height and not front top on 5.1.2

Just years of AV make me always play around.....example...I never use audio mic to adjust levels, I use my ears.

Another note, Im not to chuffed with DTS Neural compared to Dolby surround 5.1.2 /5.1.4


Still got to try DTS X on blu ray...

Pseudo so much better on atmos amps....compared to non atmos amps, so worth it all round to upgrade not just for atmos tracks.
 

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cool, I defo need to try some experiments.....

I suppose if my speakers are actually in a front height PLIIz position, I should put it on front height and not front top on 5.1.2

Just years of AV make me always play around.....example...I never use audio mic to adjust levels, I use my ears.

Another note, Im not to chuffed with DTS Neural compared to Dolby surround 5.1.2 /5.1.4


Still got to try DTS X on blu ray...

Pseudo so much better on atmos amps....compared to non atmos amps, so worth it all round to upgrade not just for atmos tracks.
any one else care to input on the front high vs top front sito on a 5.1.2
 

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I suppose this is a good time/place to ask...


I am debating some front heights when I upgrade my AVR this year. My "theater" area is in my basement with a drop ceiling that's about 7'6". Im wondering if the ceiling is too low to benefit from height speakers? I have a pair of SM450s Id like to set up once I build some floating shelves for them. The way my seating is laid out they are overkill as surrounds.


Thoughts?
 

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any one else care to input on the front high vs top front sito on a 5.1.2


Try both than use the one that you like.


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I suppose this is a good time/place to ask...


I am debating some front heights when I upgrade my AVR this year. My "theater" area is in my basement with a drop ceiling that's about 7'6". Im wondering if the ceiling is too low to benefit from height speakers? I have a pair of SM450s Id like to set up once I build some floating shelves for them. The way my seating is laid out they are overkill as surrounds.


Thoughts?


I use Front and Rear Heights in my basement theater with pretty much the same ceiling height,sounds great.


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I'm using front and rear height with a Denon X6300. It sounds way better than it did without it and I do have height presence, but if you have the ability to do ceiling speakers, do it.

Height as Atmos is a compromise; a good one, but still a compromise. You don't need to spend crazy amounts of money, Polk Audio RC80i ($75 each) would work great for 99% of people.

If you can, spend the time and do it right.
 

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I'm using front and rear height with a Denon X6300. It sounds way better than it did without it and I do have height presence, but if you have the ability to do ceiling speakers, do it.

Height as Atmos is a compromise; a good one, but still a compromise. You don't need to spend crazy amounts of money, Polk Audio RC80i ($75 each) would work great for 99% of people.

If you can, spend the time and do it right.


If I stay in my current home for a few more years Ill end up adding ceiling speakers eventually. Id just rather get my 9.1 operational before I head down that rabbit hole.
 

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I use Front and Rear Heights in my basement theater with pretty much the same ceiling height,sounds great.


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All the confirmation I needed. How far from the ceiling are you...? Id imagine you don't want to be too close...Perhaps 18" from the ceiling tiles? Or should I split the difference between the ceiling and the top of my towers?
 

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All the confirmation I needed. How far from the ceiling are you...? Id imagine you don't want to be too close...Perhaps 18" from the ceiling tiles? Or should I split the difference between the ceiling and the top of my towers?
I have a low ceiling and there's a soffit over half the left half of my room so I couldn't do ceiling speakers. Further, because of that soffit I had to push my front and rear heights out further than recommended.

I'd put the height speakers as high on the wall as you can, after all, they *should* in the ceiling.



Side note: If you really have ceiling tiles in your home theater room, you have no excuse. :p
 

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All the confirmation I needed. How far from the ceiling are you...? Id imagine you don't want to be too close...Perhaps 18" from the ceiling tiles? Or should I split the difference between the ceiling and the top of my towers?


Mine are mounted where the ceiling and wall meet,but they are on brackets so I can aim them exactly as needed. I have a sheetrock ceiling. Figure out what you want to spend and if you want to cut holes in your ceiling,I could've put them in the ceiling but I like the ability to aim and position my speakers just right for me. What Happens if you move the seating? Like I said these are my preferences. I like Pro type gear in my room so in ceiling speakers are not going to cut it for me.


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