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Would anyone be interested in automating the show sharing capability in Poopli? I think it could be done using DVArchive to start the 'send' function with a little work.


If this is a stupid idea, please have mercy. I am completly new to any of this.
 

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Please, please, please DO NOT USE DVA for this.


DVA is for local LAN use. If you start using it to assist in extra-LAN show sharing, you risk making it become a target of the RIAA/MPAA/Networks/DNNA and having it shutdown. A precursor to DVA had this exact thing happen when it started adding extra-LAN show sharing abilities.


If you value DVA and want to see it continue, please do not use it this way (or at least, do not speak of it in that context in a public forum)
 

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But I thought show sharing was "legal" again since that settlement last week..no? Automating the "send show" function would be a tremendous help.


My 2 cents.
 

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No one said it wasn't legal, I'm just asking that if you respect and appreciate DVA, you do not use it, at least publically, for these functions.


Legal status is not a shield to prevent a developer from being sued to the point where it's not economical to pursue. It has happened before and I really am trying to prevent it from ever happening again.


Remember, just one threat of a lawsuit, depending on it's severity and source, could be enough to shelve this project.
 

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Gerry,

I understand where you are coming from, and I respect you and your awesome invention. I guess I just don't quite understand why automating a show to be sent to someone else at a certain time (instead of doing it manually) would be treading on lawsuit grounds.


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Because the RIAA/MPAA/Networks do not like it and are scared. And when they are scared, they lash out. And when they want to lash out, they litigate people into oblivion.


Check out the history of SwapDV - a precursor to DVA that was shutdown due to this exact cause.
 

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I'm new to all this, and haven't followed the history of the lawsuits, but as I understand it, the legality of these features was not decided. Instead, the lawsuit was dropped with a promise that the individual ReplayTV owners will not be sued (at least not the ones involved in this particular case). This does not mean, for example that IVS is OK, and will come back in future ReplayTV models, or that there won't be additional lawsuits in the future against developers of other products (hardware or software).



excerpt below from
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/Newmark_...nd_case_pr.php

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EFF had asked the court to give affirmative relief to all owners of ReplayTV DVRs with the "commercial advance" and "send show" features. The court declined to do so on the grounds that the entertainment companies promised not to sue here and had indicated no intention to sue any of the other owners. The court did, however, leave open the possibility of relief in the event that the entertainment companies change their position and seek to sue owners of ReplayTV DVRs.
Also more discussion no slashdot and the PVRBlog at http://pvr.blogs.com
 

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But I thought show sharing was "legal" again since that settlement last week..no?
No, they have choosen not to continue the suit, because DNNA has removed the features from newer RTVs. But, there isn't anything that would prevent them from launching a suit against us at a later date.


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I had already thought of this...


DVArchive code should not be used from a file sharing perspective, but from a "remote commands" perspective. A client application should receive incoming show requests and tell the replay to send the show automatically.


Things like prefixing the remote command macro with "Exit Exit Exit" and other stuff would have to be worked out, but it seems possible to me.


Bottom line is poopli needs to be automated on the sender's side.
 

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Originally posted by AndrewF
I had already thought of this...


DVArchive code should not be used from a file sharing perspective, but from a "remote commands" perspective. A client application should receive incoming show requests and tell the replay to send the show automatically.


Things like prefixing the remote command macro with "Exit Exit Exit" and other stuff would have to be worked out, but it seems possible to me.


Bottom line is poopli needs to be automated on the sender's side.
there's still a double select bug though, even when I try to send a show through IVS manually (but through a remote command), I can't do it.
 

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Originally posted by AndrewF
I had already thought of this...


DVArchive code should not be used from a file sharing perspective, but from a "remote commands" perspective. A client application should receive incoming show requests and tell the replay to send the show automatically.


Things like prefixing the remote command macro with "Exit Exit Exit" and other stuff would have to be worked out, but it seems possible to me.


Bottom line is poopli needs to be automated on the sender's side.
Poopli's plans are to automate as much as possible. I also am going to tread lightly with this one and, when the time comes, request the support and permission of DNNA. I also have no intention of ever using anything from current or past versions of DVArchive.


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There are other issues as well.


I don't want to send shows I recorded on Premium channels. Right now, Poopli doesn't give you a way to remove shows from their database.


There is also the issue of sending too many shows at once, severly cutting your transfer rate. Right now, I send 1 show at a time and it's really slow. I couldn't imagine how many weeks it would take if I suddenly started sending 10 shows at once. Not to mention there isn't a status on shows sent on the ReplayTV.


Finally, maybe I don't want to send shows to certain people. Perhaps they are ones that only take shows and don't send them or I've already sent 14 copies of a certain show to people and I want to save the 15th for a particular person.
 

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Hey everyone...


Gerry made DVArchive - and it's free for us. Don't do anything that makes him regret it, like get the "Movie Studios" (read - godzilla) to go after "him" (read tiny little japanese guys running around in jumpsuits).


IF poopli can be automated, so be it. But let's respect Gerry and STOP (umm, yeah, I did mention extra-lan sharing myself, once) talking about new and 'unintended' ways to use his software.


Just my 0.02, but...he deserves our respect. And that means not arguing with him when he says 'Don't'.



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Ditto.


GDupree is DVarchive and/or has much of bodily parts sticking out. Not giving RIAA/MPAA/CNN/FBI/CIA/TBS/MSNBC/CBS/RCMP/ABC/FOX/Micro$oft/PTA/Sony a reason to remove those parts sticking out thus killing DVarchive is a good thing.


If I ever meet Mr. Dupree, I would buy him a drink/coffee/etc.


Good work Mr. Dupree. I hope I can return the favor possibly by helping with the next version (after I get my act together and my job stays in America).


Two thumbs up for DVarchive.


Cheers!
 
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