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The only other announcements of models with any of HDMI v2 features (specifically [email protected] video) that I've seen so far are from Pioneer. They didn't mention HDCP v2.2, but there are only a limited number of suppliers of HDMI chipsets, so they might have it but didn't feel that mentioning it was worthwhile.


A handful of high-end receivers (which happen to use HDMI v1.4a) from Onkyo, Denon and Marantz already support separate distance and sound level calibrations for two subwoofers. I have seen no mention of support for more than 7.1 HDMI audio channels as defined by HDMI v2 from anybody. HDMI v2 features are optional: having one of them (e.g. [email protected] video) does not imply that any of the others are present.
 

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Thank you for your comments.

 

I would welcome being set straight if I am missing information, but, I've been looking around, and I think the Onkyo TX-NR636 is the only AV receiver in the known universe spec'ed with 4K/60 and HDCP 2.2.

 

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OK.  The Onkyo TX-NR636 has HDCP 2.2, and the TX-NR535 does not.

 

Suppose I buy a Samsung UN55HU8550 TV.  It supports HDCP 2.2 on one of its HDMI inputs.  So, I'm thinking that the TX-NR535 could pass through the 4K/60 to the TV, and that would work (for copy protected 4K content), right?

 

Same thing if I use one of the new Pioneer/Elite AV Receivers.

 

I mean, if the TV has HDCP 2.2, then I don't really need it in the receiver.  Do I have that right?

 

Thank you.

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No, if the source device requires HDCP 2.2 then the receiver will need to support it. AV receviers need to decrypt the video and then encrypt again in order to support things like volume control overlays. They also need to be able to decrypt the audio if necessary, but I don't know how common that would be with 4K content.


If the source device supports HDCP 2.2 but doesn't require it then neither the TV nor the AV receiver need to support it.


If support for future 4K devices is important to you then I'd hold off getting a new AV receiver until you have an actual 4K player and TV so you can be sure your new receiver is compatible with it. There's no guarantee that HDCP 2.2 won't be quickly replaced with something else, or that some other requirement will make your new 4K receiver just as incompatible with 4K content as one of last year's models.
 

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How important is HDCP 2.2?


Are there other looming candidates for copy protection on HDMI 2.0 (future) commercial products?


Thank you.


DG


Edit: I mean future (commercial) content.
 

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At this point, I don't think anybody knows except for the few people who're actually planning to use it. My personal guess is that it might be an option in the not-yet-ratified-or-revealed 4K Blu-ray standard.
 

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OK.  I admit that I am unfamiliar with this.

 

There are some new Pioneer AV receivers that support (portions of) HDMI 2.0.  Specifically, 4k/60.  However, they don't support HDCP 2.2.  So, rather than being stupid, they, too, don't know the future, and don't know what content protection system will ultimately be used for UHD content, and don't want to add to cost by including a feature of uncertain utility..  Is that a more accurate way to view the situation?

 

For receivers, such as the new Pioneer models, that dupport 4K/60, but do not have HDCP 2.2... should it turn out that HDCP becomes the accepted mechanism for UHD copy protection, is that something that could be added, after the fact, via new firmware?

 

Thank you.

 

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Thats a great question, and I've done hours of research on the internet trying to find a good answer myself. In my opinion, I think the safe bet is to find one that supports HDCP 2.2, rather than taking the chance that you might be left out in the cold later on. There are a number of articles on the net saying that HDCP 2.2 should be a requirement if you're going to buy HDMI 2.0 in hope of enjoying 4k.


Right now, I'm looking at getting the samsungUN55HU8550, with the Onkyo TXNR636. Options right now of course are limited.

I corresponded with Marantz, and they have no plans, according to the email i received, of any 2014 receiver supporting HDCP2.2/HDMI2.0.

I can't find any info on Denon (I currently have a Denon 4308CI).

Yamaha never wrote back...


Hope that helps at least a little
 

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For the past several years, Denon and Marantz equipment have used the same digital circuit boards. i.e. if Marantz isn't going to have it, then Denon won't either. On the other hand, D+M never have been very forthcoming about the details of their unannounced products. We'll find out more when Denon announces this year's mid-range models.
 

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Originally Posted by pemarsh  /t/1524191/av-receivers-supporting-4k-60-and-hdcp-2-2#post_24561163


Thats a great question, and I've done hours of research on the internet trying to find a good answer myself. In my opinion, I think the safe bet is to find one that supports HDCP 2.2, rather than taking the chance that you might be left out in the cold later on. There are a number of articles on the net saying that HDCP 2.2 should be a requirement if you're going to buy HDMI 2.0 in hope of enjoying 4k.


Right now, I'm looking at getting the samsungUN55HU8550, with the Onkyo TXNR636. Options right now of course are limited.

I corresponded with Marantz, and they have no plans, according to the email i received, of any 2014 receiver supporting HDCP2.2/HDMI2.0.

I can't find any info on Denon (I currently have a Denon 4308CI).

Yamaha never wrote back...


Hope that helps at least a little
Makes sense.  I'm thinking that, at the moment, the TXNR636 is the only 4K/60 HDCP 2.2 receiver out there.  I ordered a Samsung UN65HU8550 today, so I guess I'm going to spring for the 636, too.

 

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I think the High End fair in Frankfurt that starts next weekend will have a lot of new 4K AVR's, I have heard from people at Marantz/Denon that they will release some models then, that will begin to sell in June in Europe.
 

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It looks like the TX-NR636 only supports HDCP 2.2 on HDMI main out and HDMI3. Does this mean that the receiver will only be able to support one HDCP 2.2 device? Or will we be able to use other ports as well to pass through the video/copyright protection?
 

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Originally Posted by SeraphX17  /t/1524191/av-receivers-supporting-4k-60-and-hdcp-2-2#post_24583128


It looks like the TX-NR636 only supports HDCP 2.2 on HDMI main out and HDMI3. Does this mean that the receiver will only be able to support one HDCP 2.2 device? Or will we be able to use other ports as well to pass through the video/copyright protection?


Really??? I would like to know this too.....
 

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An AV receiver can't normally pass through protected content, it needs to decrypt it and reencrypt it so it can do things like video processing, overlays and quick video switching. Onkyo and other AV receiver manufacturers in the last year or two have upgraded the HDMI decoders in their receivers to ones that have dedicated HDCP decryptors for each HDMI input. In the past one decryptor was shared for all the inputs. This was cheaper and simpler but it ment that it took much longer to swtich inputs as HDCP handshaking need to be done each time the input changed. Dedicated decryptors allows input switching to be nearly instaneous but apparently Onkyo's HDCP 2.2 solution only provides the newer decryptor for one input.


So it looks like you'll only be able to watch HDCP 2.2 protected content from sources connected to the HDMI 3 input. Other inputs would only support HDCP 1.x.


This shouldn't be a big problem since there aren't any HDCP 2.2 sources right now, and there aren't likely to be many in the near future. You're not likely to want more than one anytime soon.


If your outlook is longer term then I wouldn't recommend buying a new receiver this year. As I mentioned before, this year's models could just as easily enough become as obsolete as last years models for watching protected 4K content. Wait until the new 4K media format emerges so you can have some certainty that they've settled on what all of the requirements will be.
 

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I woudn't expect the next Apple TV to be cutting edge. It didn't get 1080p support until its third generation. Probably going to be a while before anyone can make a 4K media player with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support at the $100 price point..
 
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