It's still there, thanks!Hi Davesworld,
Regarding separating FM, @WileyOne1 tracked down where to order one about six months ago, per this post in a separate thread:
My motorhome is a 2017 Thor Freedom Elite 24' Class-C built on a Ford E450 chassis. It came with a King Jack, which is a directional over-the-air rooftop antenna with a preamp and two outputs. I have two digital TV's connected to it. I'm disappointed with the performance of the antenna, but...www.avsforum.com
Good Luck! ~~ Statmanmi
I received an Avant X about a week ago. I have been somewhat successful setting it up but I have some questions and would also like to share some of my experience.Hi, this is Javier with Televes. I am happy to respond any questions about the Avant X unit. It's a pretty straightforward device, basically just program the channels to be filtered from antenna connected, configure the output channel desired for each and the overall level, and automatically adjust. Example below:
IF you are expecting the signal meter on the tv set, and the signal meter on your Tivo to correspond, that likely will NOT happen.Using the rabbitears.info link I posted above, I set dBmV for the Units and sorted by Signal Power. The weakest station I am getting most of the time is RF25 at about -37 dBmV. The strongest station is RF3 at about 4 dBmV.
The KT-500 amplifiers add 35 db so the range would be roughly -2 dBmV to 39 dBmV for my weakest to strongest stations.
I know rabbitears is only an estimate, some channels are off axis for the antenna plus other local factors affect things too. However, as long as I include only channels that are in that range the Avant should be able to process them yes?
And it appears to be doing just that because I see in the adjustment tab that almost always the channels are all adjusted to whatever level I set. But even when they are all at the same level on the adjustment tab, the channels register different signal levels at the TV or the tivo.
I am just a layman so not sure if there is something I am not considering or not doing. Thanks.
I see what you mean across devices. I was just referencing the only type of signal levels I can access besides the Avant unit itself. The thing I don't understand is whether I should get different signal levels on the tivo for different channels after the Avant has done its magic. For example, Channel 13 might be at 52% while Channel 21 is at 72%. From what I can gather, if I get that, I have probably done something wrong.IF you are expecting the signal meter on the tv set, and the signal meter on your Tivo to correspond, that likely will NOT happen.
There's NO standard for manufacturers to say that the rf signal level setting is the same between devices at any particular level.
For instance, your tv set may show a channel to come in at 100%. Your Tivo at the same time, may show that channel is 72%. That's just the way it is.
Make a chart of your channels. Now, write down the average signal levels you are getting on each one. Now, correlate that with your Rabbitears report. Are they showing the kind of average that the weaker ones have the lowest level? (as I would expect)I see what you mean across devices. I was just referencing the only type of signal levels I can access besides the Avant unit itself. The thing I don't understand is whether I should get different signal levels on the tivo for different channels after the Avant has done its magic. For example, Channel 13 might be at 52% while Channel 21 is at 72%. From what I can gather, if I get that, I have probably done something wrong.
It doesn't seem to be the 75 ohm terminating thing. Based on my poor analysis of dBmV levels it doesn't seem to be too much of a gap between weakest to strongest signals. So I am just trying to isolate what could be giving me those differing signal levels. Mind you the reception is improved, it just isn't registering like I expected. Also want to make sure that my expectations aren't what is flawed!
I agree there's room for improvement in the documentation. The clientele of this device has traditionally been more on the professional antenna installation side, and that seems to be the right balance for that demographic. For end customers the manual could be clearer.@TelevesTech, I do have to say the manual that comes with this unit needs to be rewritten. This discussion, as well as others, is required to set this amplifier up properly. The discussion that got me the information I need to configure my setup is over on the satellite guys forum. As this amplifier is shipped, most people are going to connect the antennas, follow the manual, and conclude this unit does not work very well when really the problem is poor documentation.
1. Put the warnings upfront - Tune the amplifier with the supplied 75-ohm terminator on the output. I read the manual as the amplifier has to have a 75-ohm load, don't try and tune it with the output open and unloaded. So I installed the amplifier in my system, believing I have it properly loaded for tuning. I did not.
2. Put the recommendations upfront.
3. Explain what each item does in the A Suite software. As much as it says it is intuitive, it's really not. Explain all the buttons and options. I still don't know what the equalizer does. I have external power injectors for my antenna because they require more power than this unit supplies. The buttons on the top of the A-Suite configuration page say nothing about external power to your antennas. I falsely assumed that off / on / auto meant just that. The input is off or on or using automatic tuning. Not that the input is injecting power to drive the antenna preamplifier.
4. Explain the technical limitations discussed in the various forums around the internet, including this one.
I'll leave you with this note. I was a professional that engineered and built out one of the largest terrestrial backhaul broadcast signal networks in the U.S. for a major satellite provider. And as the documentation is written I was stumped. I knew enough to go looking for answers. I'm going to add some notes to this thread later for other people to find at a future date.I agree there's room for improvement in the documentation. The clientele of this device has traditionally been more on the professional antenna installation side, and that seems to be the right balance for that demographic. For end customers the manual could be clearer.