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I have narrowed down my speaker choice to either Axiom or Ascend based on reviews here. Can anyone tell me based on personal experience which actually sounds better? If I go with the Axiom, I will be paying $1440 + $399 for either the VTF-2 or the Adire Audio Rava sub. If I go with the Ascend I will be paying $1308 and that already includes the VTF-2 sub. If the Ascend's sound as good as the Axiom's then I will gladly save the $531. Thanks
 

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So your going to spend upwards of like $1700 on something you've never listened to based solely off of OPINIONS of people on this board? I think you really should find someone that has these personally for a demonstration before making an conclusions. There are A LOT more speakers out there besides the Fabulous Forum Five, that get mentioned over and over and over. Only you are going to know what sounds good to you, do yourself a favor and demo everything within your price range.


Here's my opinion of both of those companies lines, I think they sound terrible. But others think they are great and worth speakers that cost "3 times the amount" , whatever that means.
 

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Hi Ink,


The axioms are supposedly, for a lack of a better word, brighter, probably because of the materials they use in the drivers. I guess it is a matter of taste, and what receiver you have (you don't want to pair a typical 'bright' receiver with 'bright' speakers, normally)


overcast, I have no problem with buying speakers from either companies without listening first. I am actually expecting ascends to arrive on Monday. With all the good feedback people are giving, I am sure they will sound great, and if they don't, both companies have a return policy, so you only pay shipping one way, I believe.


While I landed on the Ascends, due to the larger drivers, and less bright qualities, as well as a hsu relationship, which means I'll probably purchase a vtf3mk2 through them as well, you might find axiom to suit you better. What I like about the axioms is the surround speakers. I wish ascend had some non-direct radiating speakers to choose from as well.
 

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Here's an interesting fact. i spoke with Joe over at Axiom this morning and he said they did a survey of 100 owners asking if they thought they were "bright". Only 6 people said they thought they were. So...brightness is in the eyes and ears of the beholder. If you compare say an original Rocket 750 to say an Axiom M80, sure the Axiom will sound "brighter" since it's designed to be accurate (as in flat on axis), whereas the Rocket is designed to sound "lush". Which is better? Only your ears can decide.


Materials (what the woofers and tweeters are made of) have absolutely nothing to do with this brightness or lack thereof. This is an old husbands' tale (since the wives typically ain't in to audio). :)
 

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Overcast, I too would like to know what about the Axioms and Ascends that you thought sounded "terrible". Instead of bagging on particular speaker companies why don't you make some suggestions as to what "sound" you like...IMO this is more helpfull then simply saying xyz speakers sounded terrible. :cool:
 

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Are there any response graphs availible for the Axioms?
 

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Are there any response graphs availible for the Axioms?
Sure. Check out the Soundstage reviews. Almost all have been measured in Canada's NRC lab along with the listening tests.
 

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Here's an interesting fact. i spoke with Joe over at Axiom this morning and he said they did a survey of 100 owners asking if they thought they were "bright". Only 6 people said they thought they were.
Hmm... owner's are a very biased group, though! If you asked 100 Toyota Prius owners if the Prius was slow... anyhow, your point is taken which is to a lot of people they don't sound bright, they sound right and that's why those people became owners.

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This is an old husbands' tale (since the wives typically ain't in to audio). :)
Ha! So true.


By the way, ink, I think it is perfectly reasonable to solicit opinions and then order on faith, knowing that if they don't live up to your expectations you can return them. I recently heard an Accend/Hsu set up that I would HIGHLY recommend. It delivered great, powerful sound on the LOTR sound track we listened to, but more importantly to me it delivered stereo music and multichannel SACD material just beautifully.


EDIT: You should make every effort to audition them if possible before taking that leap of faith, however, and you should certainly audition whatever you can in your area so that you can have a strong basis for comparison.
 

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Overcast, I too would like to know what about the Axioms and Ascends that you thought sounded "terrible". Instead of bagging on particular speaker companies why don't you make some suggestions as to what "sound" you like...IMO this is more helpfull then simply saying xyz speakers sounded terrible. :cool:
He didn't actually say he heard them. He's just telling you his thoughts.
 

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He didn't actually say he heard them. He's just telling you his thoughts.
How can he have any accurate thoughts on if a speaker sounds terrible or good if he hasn't heard them to know if they are terrible or good?
 

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How can he have any accurate thoughts on if a speaker sounds terrible or good if he hasn't heard them to know if they are terrible or good?
Twas a joke. I forgot the :) !
 

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Overcast, I too would like to know what about the Axioms and Ascends that you thought sounded "terrible". Instead of bagging on particular speaker companies why don't you make some suggestions as to what "sound" you like...IMO this is more helpfull then simply saying xyz speakers sounded terrible. :cool:


While your point is valid, I think it should be applied across the board. Too often on here I see people diss the "crap you get at best buy" and say Ascend or Axiom is better. No one objects to those statements, and just because overcast is not part of the popular majority, I don't think he should be ridiculed for his post.
 

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Axioms are better hands down. Get the Epic Grand Master setup with the VP150 center channel. Best speakers for the money. Oh and if you don't mind pissing the neighbors off throw in an SVS sub in there instead.
 

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If you don't have a certain space contrains (I could only fit QS8s for surrounds), try ordering the main pair of each and whatever sub you decide to go with. Nothing beats an in home test! even the most perfect speaker that sounds wonderful in a showroom can sound not up to par in your room. Placement and room acoustics can made a great speaker sound poor and poor speakers sound passable! :)


Returning one pair of speakers seems worth it to me if you are on the fence.
 

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Since, many feel the same way about Ascend that fubar does about Axiom. I would get a pair of each and see which you prefer. Send the losing pair back and get the rest. That way if it is the Ascends you can save the money. If it is Axiom it will cost you only an extra $20 to not wonder about Ascends. Also Ascend has the 340 in a L/R version that isn't on their web site yet. I believe 340s across the front is still less than the Axioms.


EDIT: If you go to the Axiom site's forum, www.axiomaudio.com , there is a thread to see if there is someone in your area that will let you listen. Same thing for Ascends at www.ascendforum.com . Not quite as good as listening in your house on your system for 30 days.
 

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I also have the Axiom Epic Grand Master w/ a VTF2 and love it. I found the recommendation via this board and the Axiom boards.


Did I drink the "kool aid" and believe the hype? Maybe, but my ears told me that the opinions here and on the axioms boards were true. I like the sound, period. Over the course of 4 months, I auditioned various speakers from Paradigm, Wharfedale, JM Labs, Monitor Audios (Gold), MK, B&W, etc. at various stores. I also respect that others may not like the sound and may be happier w/ other companies. So be it, that's the beauty of choice.


Now overcast made, what appears to be, a blanket statement w/o direct knowledge of Axiom or Ascends. And he/she did so on a thread that specifically said Axiom or Ascends. Don't expect to NOT be blasted when you drop a bomb like that and then disappear. Of course us Axiom and Ascends owners are going to strongly defend our choices because we are happy. In addition, overcast did not indicate what system, he/she owns that could be better. If you think A is bad, tell us system B which can be better. That's more productive for this board and thread.


Granted I can also understand that there are several manufacturers that get a lot of praise (Axiom, Ascend, HSU, SVS) while others get blasted a lot (Bose). I suppose that's the nature of the beast and the members on the board. If you like Bose, hallelujah. It's up to our ears to decide. But try to be respectful and try to offer good points for discussion. And that's something that should be done across all forums, not just this one.


OK, I'm off the soap box...
 

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I have narrowed down my speaker choice to either Axiom or Ascend based on reviews here. Can anyone tell me based on personal experience which actually sounds better? If I go with the Axiom, I will be paying $1440 + $399 for either the VTF-2 or the Adire Audio Rava sub. If I go with the Ascend I will be paying $1308 and that already includes the VTF-2 sub. If the Ascend's sound as good as the Axiom's then I will gladly save the $531. Thanks
You need to state not just the make but the model of the speakers you are considering. I know there have been several threads regarding listening sessions with both Ascends and Axioms in the mix. Perhaps the models you want were compared in those threads.
 

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I have not heard the Axiom but have the Ascend w/VTF2. They sound (and measure) very acccurate. Somewhere at Sounstage on line magazine site is the Canadian research labs measurements on the Ascend (and the Axiom I believe). The Ascends measurements are VERY VERY impressive even up against some of the most expensive speakers in the world.


Found it here it is:


http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/speakermeasurements/
 

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Here's my take.


When looking for speakers I asked here and other places and had a LOT of suggestions.


Lets take for example, Paradigm Studio's 100 v2. A lot of people said this and that about it, but in the end they were supposed to be neutral and good sounding.


I had a very good deal on them. But after listening to them, well, I didn't like them. I found them bright & a little something in the lower end...


Same for a lot of other speakers: Titus Triangles, Boston, for example, or Kef's. I just hated those speakers. Not because they're bad or anything, just because they didn't fit my tastes. Others just LOVED them, they were exactly what they were looking for.


So what overcast was trying to say, is thats its a bit silly to buy speakers unheard when its basically a matter of personnal taste.


If you buy hyped speakers, well.. You'll get hyped speakers, maybe not the speakers you'd have preferred. Maybe you'll love them... Maybe you won't...


Something I'm wondering: How much of the hyping of X brand of speakers are really totally honest and not 'fanboyism'. (What I own is the best!)


Many have bought Axioms and seem to be very happy. Personnaly I didn't want to take the chance to be stuck with a pair of speakers I wasn't totally satisfied with. Sure they give a 30 day return warranty or whatever, but are you gonna spend I dunno like 150$ to ship them back and deal with all that hassle? (getting them, unpacking, setting up, unsetting up, repacking, callin, getting an RMA, goin to postoffice to send the probably huge ass box, check if they reimboursed, etc...) Or are you just gonna keep them eventhough you're not totally happy with them?


Anyhow, you're taking a gamble if you buy unheard and that might not give you the best results.

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So your going to spend upwards of like $1700 on something you've never listened to based solely off of OPINIONS of people on this board?
I think its a good question. If you really care about speakers (sound), you should really look around to see what fits your taste, if you don't really care, aren't into music/audio/whatnot and just want a pair of good speakers, basically any speakers mentionned here from time to time should satisfy you. In that case, I'd go with the lower priced speakers. In this case the Ascends: "If the Ascend's sound as good as the Axiom's then I will gladly save the $531. Thanks"


How do you know if the sound difference is worth 530$ if you haven't heard it yourself? Again, if you don't really care for auditionning speakres yourself, Ascends are probably good enough for you.


But then again, maybe you should make a trip to your local audio dealer and see what he has to offer. That way you know what you'll be spending your money on.. If you can't tell the difference between a 600$ set and a 2000$ one, why waste your money on the 2000$ set? Maybe you'll be more than happy with a 500$ set!


But if you absolutely want to go online wiht Ascends or Axioms, I say get the Ascends, they probably won't disappoint you. Especially if you're not into speakers, as your first real speakers they'll probably blow you away.


Oh, and I haven't heard either Ascends or Axioms... So what do I know :p
 
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