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Back from CES..

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So I just walked in the door from CES. It was bigger and better than ever, with 2900 exhibitors and an estimated 140,000 visitors. I saw some new stuff, and a lack of showing of stuff I expected (OLED being a no show more or less was a surprise).


I have 256 megs of pix and video clips that I'll be posting on my site soon (I'll start working on it tonight), but it will probably be Monday before it's posted.


Once again there was a lot of stuff that looked atrocious due to lack of setup on the manufacturers' part. The HD DVD setup specifically had bad looking plasmas with a green push.


The most impressive thing to me was the Honda Asuni robot that can run, walk and climb stairs without falling over. If any of you have read anything about robots, that's the biggest stumbling block (pun intended) that seems to finally have been overcome. Very impressive.


The catch phrase of course at the show was 1080p,. but again, (and I've got pix to prove it) there was more than one booth with big signs saying '1080p), but the signal was actually 1080i via the component inputs. LIARS!


I actually thought some of the digital displays were worse than last year. 1080p isn't doing much to improve the pix of some of these displays. The new Sharp 108" LCD was completely horrible. 450 lbs and a complete waste of space. Terrible colors, etc.


The LG and Panasonic 102/103" plasmas were nice, but still to expensive for anyone to really consider.


Anyways, back to work for me. Thanks to David for throwing another very successful AVS bash!
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That's all well and good, but how were the booth babes?
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Fake.


Most of them anyways. Had I stayed another day and had another $75, I would have gone to the AVN. I didn't get a call from them, so I guess my video entry wasn't nominated for a prize... but then again they don't have the awards show until Sat night, so there's still time..
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So, let me guess, digital PJs are so great looking, they've solved all the reliability problems, and their so cheap, you are liquidating your CRT stock and getting out of the biz.


I'll take a 1209s for $1500--thanks!


Dave
There was an LG upconverting 1080p DVD player that showed a side by side comparision of 480i vs 1080p, and wouldn't ya know it, the stairstepping was a lot better on the 1080p display. What was all too obvious, even at 8', was that the 1080p output had SO MUCH video noise in it that I really would prefer to watch the 480i.


There was only ONE video display that impressed me. Really. but you'll have to wait until I post about it. Still, right now it's $70K for a 50" screen.

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There was only ONE video display that impressed me. Really. but you'll have to wait until I post about it. Still, right now it's $70K for a 50" screen.

Four 9500LCs stacked and blended?
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And don't get me started about the audiophile displays that I went to at the Venetian/Sands.


Apparently they don't call some of them audioFOOLS for nothing. I'll post about the cable demonstration that I was witness to.


description of an audiofool from what I saw over there:


(if 3 or more of the following apply to you, you qualify!)


-rich

-over 50, maybe 45 if you're lucky and don't age well

-believe what you're told without question by manufacturer's reps.

-balding

-have a beard (goatees usually don't count)

-listen to obscure pan flute solos or similar from record companies you've never heard of.

-pay no attention to room treatment

-believe that anything a $10 part can do, a $100 part will do better, and a $1000 part will work 100X better than the $10 part.

-got an 'A in creative writing and can apply words like 'focus' and 'fluidity' as pertaining to audio equipment.


(OK, I'll stop now, too many of you are starting to fall into 2 or more categories...
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So far the thing I see from posts is guys who just bought a Pearl a month ago are considering getting the new JVC already.


Art
Well that more or less was my overall impression from the show, funny you bring it up.


THe improvements were minimal (IMHO) in what I saw in PQ. Even from a flat screen (non projection) device, there's only ONE that blew me away, but it's probably a couple of years away from being released. Single chip DLPs that I saw there still have rainbows (all of them), the laser flat screen (shown as an SxRD in the Sony booth) was horrible looking, blah blah.


So you'll have still lowered pricing on stuff that won't last any longer and won't look significantly better than what people had last year. You did it correctly Art. Bought high end right off the bat, bought a mature technology, and bought something that will last for years.
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So far the thing I see from posts is guys who just bought a Pearl a month ago are considering getting the new JVC already.


Art

I concur Art. I posted a thread on the over 3,500 side asking has the ruby lost it's luster ,and they overwhelmingly said they were upgrading because they can and they like to improve with the industry...or something like that.
i hardly thing it's cost effective to buy something for 15k and then sell it for 4k a year later.
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I concur Art. I posted a thread on the over 3,500 side asking has the ruby lost it's luster ,and they overwhelmingly said they were upgrading because they can and they like to improve with the industry...or something like that.
i hardly think it's cost effective to buy something for 15k and then sell it for 4k a year later.

I have stated before and will state again........purveyors of home series lamp driven products don't give a crap about the users being satisfied.....all they care about is how many boxes did Tokyo ship last week. Buy a lamp device today and start saving for bulbs and the next projector to replace it in five years; planned obsolescence, sports fans; and not the most compelling image quality either. I can acquire, retube, modify, update and service Marquee projectors from twelve years ago, and many users can swap the board when needed, with very little concern about not finding parts in the next ten years, and have a dreamy 3D image that pulls you right into the movie or event, distractionless viewing........ thanks for listening.
I though the 3-D flat screens looked cool. No glasses needed, had to be in the right place for the effect too work. Do not think I could watch alot of TV off one, not sure if it just takes getting used to or what.


The little tiny flat and small as a credit card OLED displays were something that looked interesting, now if they could make the whole device as large as a credit card they would have something that would be in everyones wallet.


There was a million flat panel displays everywhere, was getting sick of seeing those.


LG and Pioneer had Drives for the computer, BR and HD DVD and all, asked questions about the drives and most of the people were dumb as rocks.


Did not see anything new in the Screen section. Did not know that Vutec had done away with the 13 gain curved screen. Saw one screen that did not look very good that they had set up as a undarkened theater, lots of sparkels, very distracting from the image they had up, made my homemade screen look stellar.


Went to hear the high end audio stuff, my buddy that is into it said the stuff sucked, sounded pretty good to me though, they stayed away from any music with bass in it. My HT system that I use with stereo recordings has way better imaging, the only thing I liked about their systems was the music was more defined, most I believe being the recordings they used, going to buy one CD (Beatles remastered songs) they were using to see how it compares to my system.


One thing I learned, I going to make sure I plan out what I will see as there was just way too much stuff just to graze through.


Deron.
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Too bad I didn't meet up with you there!


I hvae a lazy left eye, so 3D stuff doesn't work for me, although I tried it at the Sanyo booth.

The big (old) news is the LG BR/HD DVD combo player, although I swear I heard a sales pitch once that said they'd play the two versions SIMULTANEOUSLY.


I agree, many of the people there couldn't answer a tech question in the slightest, which is really too bad. Two people did direct me to people that could. I underdressed this year which seemed to make a HUGE difference if sales reps took you seriously or not. I dressed in a sweatshirt and jeans and runners. I was comfy while walking around, and pretty much got ignored. Except by Sam Runco. He and I had a good conversation..
(and no, I'm not being sarcastic either!).


Oh, XM radio killed off all of their live entertainment which was a drag. Reading between the lines, I don't think they are doing very well. Apparently Sirius is catching up in subscribers. When will the two formats merge into one?
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And don't get me started about the audiophile displays that I went to at the Venetian/Sands.Apparently they don't call some of them audioFOOLS for nothing. I'll post about the cable demonstration that I was witness to.description of an audiofool from what I saw over there:

(if 3 or more of the following apply to you, you qualify!)


-rich

-over 50, maybe 45 if you're lucky and don't age well

-believe what you're told without question by manufacturer's reps.

-balding

-have a beard (goatees usually don't count)

-listen to obscure pan flute solos or similar from record companies you've never heard of.

-pay no attention to room treatment

-believe that anything a $10 part can do, a $100 part will do better, and a $1000 part will work 100X better than the $10 part.

-got an 'A in creative writing and can apply words like 'focus' and 'fluidity' as pertaining to audio equipment.


(OK, I'll stop now, too many of you are starting to fall into 2 or more categories...

LOL, your getting funny in your old age.
I haven't heard a single mention of turntables. If no one was runng a nice TT then I consider that to be ZERO Audiophile displays.
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Curt, did you see the JVC RS1, by any chance? If so, what did you think?

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(OLED being a no show more or less was a surprise).

Did you miss them in the Sony booth?
There is something about consumer electronics that I dont care for. I would rather see Pro Systems then being a constant beta tester which seems to be accepted now as normal.


I dont need to be reprogramed. Doug
I heard about the OLED at Sony, went back in to see it as I had a few minutes, problem was a few minutes was not enough time to make it through the mass of people, so I just turned around.


Deron.
Curt


I though about meeting up with other AVS'ers, but I figured I would be going crazy as it was with all I was taking in. The white noise that was being generated by all the people talking was pretty intense, if I was smart I would have popped a few asprins before I made the plunge. Did manage to hold onto my wallet and camera.


Deron.
I didn't see the OLED at Sony, sorry!


I did see the JVC along with many other projectors. I didn't see that the JVC was much better than the others there. Seems to me it's all about hype. I see people selling their Pearls already for it, and to me, what's the point? It was the same old same old. The digital guys jump onto the bandwagon of the latest, rave all about it, then dump it 6 months later for the next one.


I saw lots of sets that were poorly set up, bad color balance, green and red pushes, and even misconvergence! How that happens on an LCD flat screen is beyond me.


Oh, and the one booth that ran a boom car really loudly, but had NONE of the subs working for some reason was looking (sounding) pretty lame.
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