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BBC article points out that much work still needs to be done by BDA

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oolitic

Discussion Starter · Jan 15, 2008

Another day. Another article pointing out the long path ahead of BD to supplant SD-DVD. The article has key insights from a Frank Simonis (European Chairman of BDA) and how even having one format in Blu Ray might still not be enough to push the consumer to upgrade.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7187179.stm

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anotheraviator

· #2 · Jan 15, 2008

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/650...-disc-features

"Blu-ray execs say that the HD DVD format war is responsible for the rush to get Blu-ray out, and why it was shipped in what was basically an unfinished state. (Those Internet features in Profile 2.0 were used as one of Blu-ray's big selling points before it was ever released, remember?) BetaNews asked the developer of BD Live if they were worried about a backlash from early adopters. The response: "They knew what they were getting in to."

See, it's your fault, in the end. "

oolitic

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by anotheraviator /forum/post/12819608

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/650...-disc-features

"Blu-ray execs say that the HD DVD format war is responsible for the rush to get Blu-ray out, and why it was shipped in what was basically an unfinished state. (Those Internet features in Profile 2.0 were used as one of Blu-ray's big selling points before it was ever released, remember?) BetaNews asked the developer of BD Live if they were worried about a backlash from early adopters. The response: "They knew what they were getting in to."

See, it's your fault, in the end. "

DAMN YOU BLU RAY!!!

Is nothing ever your fault?!

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spa

· #4 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by oolitic /forum/post/12819544

Another day. Another article pointing out the long path ahead of BD to supplant SD-DVD. The article has key insights from a Frank Simonis (European Chairman of BDA) and how even having one format in Blu Ray might still not be enough to push the consumer to upgrade.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7187179.stm

And the road to match HD-DVD in features, which is my greatest disappointment at the moment. I won't buy a BD player right now because stuff that is important to me is not available on current models (BD Live esp). I love the HD-DVD interactivity and networking features. So I wait.

JAC6

· #5 · Jan 15, 2008

I will certainly wait to buy my second player. I'm curious about the new Panasonic, but might wait to see what others do. My "old" Sony BDP-DS1 is working fine for me. Waiting seems like a good idea for many.

v1rtu0s1ty

· #6 · Jan 15, 2008

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Originally Posted by anotheraviator /forum/post/12819608

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/650...-disc-features

"Blu-ray execs say that the HD DVD format war is responsible for the rush to get Blu-ray out, and why it was shipped in what was basically an unfinished state. (Those Internet features in Profile 2.0 were used as one of Blu-ray's big selling points before it was ever released, remember?) BetaNews asked the developer of BD Live if they were worried about a backlash from early adopters. The response: "They knew what they were getting in to."

See, it's your fault, in the end. "

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Originally Posted by oolitic /forum/post/12819638

DAMN YOU BLU RAY!!!

Is nothing ever your fault?!

THIS IS THE BEST LINE I'VE SEEN! oolitic, awesome post!!!

If a president gets assassinated, trust me, it's still going to be HDDVD's fault! LOL

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dsmith901

· #7 · Jan 16, 2008

The irony is that HD-DVD could easily replace SD-DVD because the format, players, and movies would be only marginally more expensive than SD-DVD within a year or so, and highly desirable as most households buy larger HDTVs as the deadline approaches next year. That is exactly why the DVD Forum selected HD-DVD to be the next format for HDM and not BR! So blame the greedy studios, Warner especially, for grabbing a short term payout from Sony when they and the rest of Hollywood could have had a huge bonanza replacing SD-DVD with HD-DVD. But for now the biggest losers are consumers.

JAC6

· #8 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by dsmith901 /forum/post/12827496

The irony is that HD-DVD could easily replace SD-DVD because the format, players, and movies would be only marginally more expensive than SD-DVD within a year or so, and highly desirable as most households buy larger HDTVs as the deadline approaches next year. That is exactly why the DVD Forum selected HD-DVD to be the next format for HDM and not BR! So blame the greedy studios, Warner especially, for grabbing a short term payout from Sony when they and the rest of Hollywood could have had a huge bonanza replacing SD-DVD with HD-DVD. But for now the biggest losers are consumers.

Since we're constructing imaginary worlds, Blu-Ray could easily have been the sold HD format had Toshiba and Microsoft and Universal joined all other CE companies and the majority of studios behind a single Blu-Ray format.

Rambler358

· #9 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by JAC6 /forum/post/12827568

Since we're constructing imaginary worlds, HD DVD could easily have been the sold HD format had Sony and Disney and Fox joined all other CE companies and the majority of studios behind a single HD DVD format.

There, fixed that for ya.

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kevivoe

· #10 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by JAC6 /forum/post/12827568

Since we're constructing imaginary worlds, Blu-Ray could easily have been the sold HD format had Toshiba and Microsoft and Universal joined all other CE companies and the majority of studios behind a single Blu-Ray format.

... and postponed launch at least 2 more years ....

we all know downloading movies is fast approaching. Someone pointed me to www.apple.com to look at their $229 solution. 1280x720p @ 24fps with DD 5.1 surround. I am afraid people will think this is good enough. Waiting on blu profile 2.0 just opens the door to these downloads.

chipvideo

· #11 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by JAC6 /forum/post/12822907

I will certainly wait to buy my second player. I'm curious about the new Panasonic, but might wait to see what others do. My "old" Sony BDP-DS1 is working fine for me. Waiting seems like a good idea for many.

I would definitley hold off on buying any bd machine for a long time. At least until BD 2.0 is mainstream.

watsonte

· #12 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by kevivoe /forum/post/12827667

... and postponed launch at least 2 more years ....

we all know downloading movies is fast approaching. Someone pointed me to www.apple.com to look at their $229 solution. 1280x720p @ 24fps with DD 5.1 surround. I am afraid people will think this is good enough. Waiting on blu profile 2.0 just opens the door to these downloads.

I'm really opposed to a download style of purchasing movies and hope nothing too promising is released in the next year or so. Whether it be Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, never really cared which won, I am much happier with a collection of discs and a player.

I current have a PS3, hopefully soon to be a 2.0 profile player, and an HD-A3 so I have invested in both and actually didnt mind having two formats. I just wish movie studios on both sides would start releasing titles worth buying...

Jiffylush

· #13 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by chipvideo /forum/post/12827878

I would definitley hold off on buying any bd machine for a long time. At least until BD 2.0 is mainstream.

Or you could join the vast majority of HDM consumers and buy a PS3, that is currently 1.1 compatible and will be 2.0 compatible before the first BD-Live title is released.

kevivoe

· #14 · Jan 16, 2008

The PS3 is not a viable stand alone movie player for me.

jvillain

· #15 · Jan 16, 2008

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I would definitley hold off on buying any bd machine for a long time. At least until BD 2.0 is mainstream.

But you would buy an HD DVD player at the drop of a hat, with limited movie availability. Shows where your priorities are at.

watsonte

· #16 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by kevivoe /forum/post/12828115

The PS3 is not a viable stand alone movie player for me.

If you dont mind me asking, Why?

PS34VER

· #17 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by dsmith901 /forum/post/12827496

The irony is that HD-DVD could easily replace SD-DVD because the format, players, and movies would be only marginally more expensive than SD-DVD within a year or so, and highly desirable as most households buy larger HDTVs as the deadline approaches next year. That is exactly why the DVD Forum selected HD-DVD to be the next format for HDM and not BR! So blame the greedy studios, Warner especially, for grabbing a short term payout from Sony when they and the rest of Hollywood could have had a huge bonanza replacing SD-DVD with HD-DVD. But for now the biggest losers are consumers.

I have been browsing these forums for quite sometime everyone. I really appreciate how much useful insight is brought here by all of this forums' members.

However, I do want to state how Sony nor any of the other blu-ray studio's handed out any cash to anyone.

From Bill Hunt:

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Finally, as to these rumors about Fox... does anyone REALLY believe Fox would have flipped to the HD-DVD camp after all their talk about how important Blu-ray's added BD+ copy protection was? As some of you might recall, Fox actually delayed releasing titles on Blu-ray for a period of many months last year in order to wait for BD+ to be finalized. And all this was happening while AACS decryption keys were being extracted from HD-DVD releases and posted online. Fox has been one of the most vocal supporters of Blu-ray. The idea that they would suddenly flip to HD-DVD exclusivity, when software of their preferred format is not only more protected in their eyes but has also been outselling HD-DVD for over a year now, is completely absurd.

As it happens, I've actually spoken about this today with Fox's senior VP of corporate and marketing communications, Steve Feldstein, who echoed something Warner's Ron Sanders has also said in recent days: "The kind of money they're talking about [in these stories] isn't worth jeopardizing a multi-billion dollar business." In other words, payoffs would not have impacted Fox and Warner's decisions. Feldstein also told me that when The Pittsburgh Post Gazette piece broke, he contacted Lindich immediately to let him know that he was being misled by someone. When Don posted the same piece on his own blog, it was edited to reflect this. Specifically, the references to $120 million and $500 million payoffs were gone - something that's worthy of note.

Source: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

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oolitic

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by watsonte /forum/post/12828181

If you dont mind me asking, Why?

IMHO. A gaming console (primarily that is what a PS3 is) is hardly the choice for a home theater setup.

Secondly, in most homes it is used for gaming and is confined to kid's rooms and never sees the light of a living room/theater setup turf.

JAC6

· #19 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by chipvideo /forum/post/12827878

I would definitley hold off on buying any bd machine for a long time. At least until BD 2.0 is mainstream.

To each his own. My player works fine for me and I think it has been worth it watching 1080p movies for the last 6-8 months considering it plays every Blu-Ray out there and will continue to play future releases. Why everyone is so focused on the profile issue is a mystery to me. The notion that I can somehow "future proof" my CE purchases is sort of silly to me. My cell phone is old. My iPod is old. My laptop is old. But they do what I need them to do.

Jiffylush

· #20 · Jan 16, 2008

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Originally Posted by oolitic /forum/post/12828239

IMHO. A gaming console (primarily that is what a PS3 is) is hardly the choice for a home theater setup.

Secondly, in most homes it is used for gaming and is confined to kid's rooms and never sees the light of a living room/theater setup turf.

He asked why it wasn't a good choice for you, why not just say 'Because I am emotionally invested in HD DVD'.

The PS3 is a wonderful multifunction device, it plays blu-rays as well as any player on the market, it streams music, video, and pictures, and it plays games, if you are so inclined. You can also use it download 1080p movies trailers, and in the near future you can use it to download TV shows and movies.

There are three potential problems (you should write these down so you can voice a valid well-reasoned complaint later)

1 - No native IR support - won't work with your multifunction unless you buy an unofficial add-on, and only one of those will allow you to power on but you have to use a psp once... you get the point, no native IR support (I have hopes that the Vave100 from Ricavision will support the PS3 via bluetooth).

2 - No 5.1 or 7.1 analog output, non-hdmi receivers can't get to the lossless tracks, optical is fine for most, but for the new hd stuff you need hdmi or analog.

3 - Heat - The ps3 puts off more heat than any other BD player (correct me if I am wrong). This can be an issue if you have your other HT stuff in an enclosed space and want to add the ps3, or if you have it near you, and can hear the fan.

That's it, those are the potential problems that could give an advantage to a standalone player, if you can get around those, the PS3 is easily the best device.

Now, when player prices fall well below the price of the PS3, and have support for BD-live, it might be time to seriously consider a standalone.

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