[Dark7pt1]

I found out that it's not uncommon for the Panasonic 60/80 players to "freeze". By that I mean looking like a pause or layer change on a DVD. Nothing serious but possibly annoying to some.


Do other brands like the new Sony 360 or the new Pioneer's exhibit this? How about Pioneer's Elite xx23? I don't think the new Oppo does.

 

[hifi59]



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Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 /forum/post/16837968


I found out that it's not uncommon for the Panasonic 60/80 players to "freeze". By that I mean looking like a pause or layer change on a DVD. Nothing serious but possibly annoying to some.


Do other brands like the new Sony 360 or the new Pioneer's exhibit this? How about Pioneer's Elite xx23? I don't think the new Oppo does.

The LG 390 layer change is .25 seconds or less! My previous Pioneer took a good 3-4 seconds.

 

[xraffle]

Just get the PS3

 

[graphicguy]



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Originally Posted by hifi59 /forum/post/16843144


The LG 390 layer change is .25 seconds or less! My previous Pioneer took a good 3-4 seconds.

Truth told, I've never seen any sort of layer change delay on either a very recent LG390, nor my two year old PS3. I had a Pioneer BDP51. It froze up on me with a half dozen BDs. And, on DVD, there's a very noticeable layer change delay.


Can't speak to the Panasonics. From what I've read, they suffer from BD delays (like DVD layer changes). Personally, that would make me nuts (as it did with the Pioneer).


Don't know about the Sonys nor the Samsungs, although I did have a Sammy 1600 for a few days that I returned because of operational issues.

 

[erick granato]

I have a bd-55 panasonic, no freeze up yet that I have noticed.

 

[Dark7pt1]

Yep. I know some one with a Panasonic 55. No layer changes (I mean "resembling").


PS3? I have a new Pioneer Elite SC07 receiver...would be a waste not to let it do the decoding. Though I might get a PS3 any how. Does it freeze too? Hoping to hear from Sony 360 owners on this. Or new Pioneer owners of the 320 or Elite 25.

 

[sacplasma]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 /forum/post/16837968


I found out that it's not uncommon for the Panasonic 60/80 players to "freeze". By that I mean looking like a pause or layer change on a DVD. Nothing serious but possibly annoying to some.


Do other brands like the new Sony 360 or the new Pioneer's exhibit this? How about Pioneer's Elite xx23? I don't think the new Oppo does.

I have a Panasonic 35. Sometimes we will see the layer change on both BD's and standard DVD's. Probably less than 50% of the time. It's quick but obvious. Depends on how well hidden the change is within a scene or change in the story, so to some extent that depends on how much effort the studio makes to hide the layer change on the disc. With my previous Panasonic DVD player (before Blu-ray) we never saw the layer change on standard DVD's.

 

[xraffle]



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Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 /forum/post/16843432


PS3? I have a new Pioneer Elite SC07 receiver...would be a waste not to let it do the decoding. Though I might get a PS3 any how. Does it freeze too? Hoping to hear from Sony 360 owners on this. Or new Pioneer owners of the 320 or Elite 25.

Every PS3 owner I've spoke to had zero issues with the PS3.

 

[Jmouse007]



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Originally Posted by xraffle /forum/post/16843760


Every PS3 owner I've spoke to had zero issues with the PS3.

The SONY BDP-S550 also does a good job with the layer change

 

[Dark7pt1]

So likely the Sony 360 should be just as good with the "freezing" (aka layer change). Maybe this isn't a problem at all. Just part of owning BD. Just as there were sometimes noticeable layer changes (or 1 second pauses) with DVD.


With the PS3 are you stuck with PCM or can you set it to bitstream? I have a new Pioneer Elite receiver. Rather have the receiver do the decoding of the BD surround sound formats.

 

[xraffle]



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Originally Posted by Jmouse007 /forum/post/16843939


The SONY BDP-S550 also does a good job with the layer change

Oh, he only meant the layer change freeze. My bad. When I saw the "freeze" in the thread title and the brand Panasonic in his post, I thought he meant BD movies randomly freezing. That's because the Panasonic players suffer from that problem.


But anyways, I'm still sticking to my original suggestion. Buy a PS3. If I had the time to play video games and wasn't such a cheapskate, I would've bought one instead of a standalone.

 

[xraffle]



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Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 /forum/post/16844738


With the PS3 are you stuck with PCM or can you set it to bitstream? I have a new Pioneer Elite receiver. Rather have the receiver do the decoding of the BD surround sound formats.

PS3 cannot bitstream Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. It will internally decode those audio signals and pass them to your receiver via PCM. Not a big deal, but many make a big fuss about it.

 

[18 Brumaire]

Dark7pt1, i think you are a tad confused about the "freeze" on the Panasonic players. It is not a layer change. It is a momentary freeze that can occur anywhere in a film. The picture freezes, and then resumes. It has been likened to a layer change on a DVD because the experience is much the same, but the freezing on the Panasonics has nothing to do with a layer change.


The only other players I know of that freeze a lot are Sony S300s. That is according to posts at the Home Theater Forum.

 

[Dark7pt1]

No 18B,


No confusion. Typo perhaps.

I know the "freezes" are 1-2 second pauses that "resemble layer changes". Read my first post.

Any how, as I also said, because I have a new avr I would prefer it do the decoding of the BD surround formats. Not the PS3. But I do like the fact that it has worked flawlessly. If I had an old avr that couldn't decode the new formats then I would have bought a PS3 first. To be used as my main BD player and game console (not that I'm a serious player by any stretch).


Would still like to know which brands/models don't "freeze". The new Oppo? Sony's (360)?

 

[wmcclain]



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Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 /forum/post/16845388


Would still like to know which brands/models don't "freeze". The new Oppo? Sony's (360)?

I haven't seen what you are describing on the OPPO, and I don't recall reports of it on the threads.


-Bill

 

[Foxbat121]

The freeze you mentioned is unique to Panny 60/80s. Other players don't have this kind of issue. But that doesn't mean other players don't have other issues at all. For example, some Samsung and Pioneer players often totally lockup on certain BD discs and require unplug the power cord.


There is no perfect player out there. It's just matter of what type of issue you can live with and what you can't live with.

 

[graphicguy]



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Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 /forum/post/16845388


No 18B,


No confusion. Typo perhaps.

I know the "freezes" are 1-2 second pauses that "resemble layer changes". Read my first post.

Any how, as I also said, because I have a new avr I would prefer it do the decoding of the BD surround formats. Not the PS3. But I do like the fact that it has worked flawlessly. If I had an old avr that couldn't decode the new formats then I would have bought a PS3 first. To be used as my main BD player and game console (not that I'm a serious player by any stretch).


Would still like to know which brands/models don't "freeze". The new Oppo? Sony's (360)?

Here's your tally so far (for non freezing/delay BD players)....


No issues....


-PS3

-Oppo 83

-Panasonic BD55 (discontinued)

-Sony 550

-LG390

 

[Dark7pt1]

Thanks Bill. I don't recall coming across it either in the Oppo thread. Seems to be a good player. Their beta testing must have really helped. Even if it's not 100%. What player is any how?


Will see how I feel about the freezing with my new Panasonic 60. Does it happen often? The duration. If it ends up annoying me enough (shouldn't) then I might buy an Oppo. Was considering it any how. One of my top 2 choices. I just bought the 60 because of the great deal, and because it's a good performer (didn't know it "freezes" till after I bought it).


As I said. If it's just a 1 second pause then it wouldn't be a big deal. Just a fact of owning a BD player. A Panasonic in this case.It never bothered me when I noticed the occasional pausing when playing DVD's.


Strange this freezing is happing on the 60/80 Panasonic models but not on older models like their 55. Panasonic has to know about this and should be offering a fix.

 

[xraffle]



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Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 /forum/post/16845388


Any how, as I also said, because I have a new avr I would prefer it do the decoding of the BD surround formats.

By bitstreaming Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, you lose secondary and effect audio. So, you don't get those fancy sounds when navigating the menu on the BDs.

 

[xraffle]



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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 /forum/post/16846057


There is no perfect player out there. It's just matter of what type of issue you can live with and what you can't live with.

The PS3 is, with the exception of the remote and bitstreaming HD audio downfalls. Other than that, it's a flawless machine.