[SileasResearch]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ckelly33 /forum/post/12495604


Sileas are do you have an HDMI reciever in order to test these findings (DTS-MA & TrueHD) over HDMI - here's to hoping that it'll work via HDMI.


Oh, boy. I bet he wishes he had kept the news of his new toy to himself!!

Nope - I do not have HDMI receiver. All separates. Rotel RSP-1068 with Parasound amps. All HDMI switching (all 7 devices) done by the Zektor switches (very very happy with those, by the way, especially the MAS71 which has 3 way switching of 8 channel analog audio).


This is the reason the BD-UP5000 player was the one for me, because I am not upgrading my processor until there is one worth upgrading to (all bitstreams decoded over HDMI), and I'm not aware of one yet.

 

[Brent Madden]

My enthusiasm for this player is quickly dying after your last couple posts. It's going to suck if we've all waited this long for a "dud".

 

[SileasResearch]

Next up.... lets see if the HDi features are more than meets the eye. I have used these transformative features on the xbox360. Let's see if they work better here (hung my 360 a lot, and had to go delete downloaded content after using it once).

 

[haggisbingo]

Sileas,

In addition to confirming (somehow) that it is truly DTS-MA, if you have a spare dvd+R archive dvd, I'd appreciate knowing if it can be played. Thx.

 

[SileasResearch]

I gotta say folks, I am not disappointed. Don't be discouraged. My feeling, knowing Dolby and their quality standards, is that Samsung was behind in the validation, and released only the firmware they had, and I bet they pushed a bit to get this out. Lets wait a bit to see what the response is from both Dolby and Samsung.

 

[unbiased]



Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch /forum/post/12495665


Nope - I do not have HDMI receiver. All separates. Rotel RSP-1068 with Parasound amps. All HDMI switching (all 7 devices) done by the Zektor switches (very very happy with those, by the way, especially the MAS71 which has 3 way switching of 8 channel analog audio).


This is the reason the BD-UP5000 player was the one for me, because I am not upgrading my processor until there is one worth upgrading to (all bitstreams decoded over HDMI), and I'm not aware of one yet.

SileasResearch, great that you were able to get your hands on one and report on it! Thank You so much for this info! One question that is really important for using the analog outputs that I have not seen anyone ask (or re-ask) in the list of questions is whether or not Samsung implemented the speaker distance and channel level adjustments in this unit. Did they? or is it missing? I decided to give this unit a try and ordered one from the BestBuyBusiness site with discount code... hope it turns out to be a winner with the promised firmware update(s) they said would be out in Jan 2008. Please let us know if the speaker management for analog outputs are there?

Thank You!

 

[SileasResearch]

Ok.... Skorponok is getting kicking by our guys in Qatar, and I can see his health meter.


Looks like web enabled features are a go.

 

[edved1]



Out of curiosity, how do you know it's DTS-MA as opposed to DTS-HD? Isn't the core track extracted when DTS-MA is NOT supported? And how would one know over the analogs? Not trying to be a pain, I just don't know so I'm asking. Cheers.


My thoughts exactly, but I didn't want to come-off being anal retentive (not that you are mind you). I suspect that it could be similar to what was reviewed with the LG BH200...


ultimateavmag stated this...According to that table, Dolby TrueHD is output from the player only as two-channel PCM, except when DTS re-encode is selected in the audio setup menu. And even then its output is said to be ordinary multichannel DTS. DTS HD-MA is also played back as standard DTS.

 

[FilmMixer]



Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch /forum/post/12495665



This is the reason the BD-UP5000 player was the one for me, because I am not upgrading my processor until there is one worth upgrading to (all bitstreams decoded over HDMI), and I'm not aware of one yet.

Any of the new Denon's, Pioneer's, Onkyo's or Yamahas.. I would say there are at least 10 models on the market for the past couple of months that do.


I would be willing to bet that you are only hearing the decoded core on the DTS tracks out of the analog outputs.... there are as of yet no players that internally decoding DTS MA.

 

[SileasResearch]



Quote:
Originally Posted by unbiased /forum/post/12495703


SileasResearch, great that you were able to get your hands on one and report on it! Thank You so much for this info! One question that is really important for using the analog outputs that I have not seen anyone ask (or re-ask) in the list of questions is whether or not Samsung implemented the speaker distance and channel level adjustments in this unit. Did they? or is it missing? I decided to give this unit a try and ordered one from the BestBuyBusiness site with discount code... hope it turns out to be a winner with the promised firmware update(s) they said would be out in Jan 2008. Please let us know if the speaker management for analog outputs are there?

Thank You!

Speaker setup completely blows. All you get is large / small / off on channels, and you can't even set a 6.1 configuration. No channel level or distance as far as I can tell. I will keep hunting for more options. I bet all of this is fixable with a firmware update.


Do other Samsung players have those settings?

 

[SileasResearch]



Quote:
Originally Posted by FilmMixer /forum/post/12495721


Any of the new Denon's, Pioneer's, Onkyo's or Yamahas.. I would say there are at least 10 models on the market for the past couple of months that do.


I would be willing to bet that you are only hearing the decoded core on the DTS tracks out of the analog outputs.... there are as of yet no players that internally decoding DTS MA.

Two things:


1) Those are receivers, not processors. I don't need amps. I do separates only.


2) You may be right - I did not know the difference. Is there a way to test this? Is there some sort of core-less stream I can use?

 

[unbiased]



Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch /forum/post/12495722


Speaker setup completely blows. All you get is large / small / off on channels, and you can't even set a 6.1 configuration. No channel level or distance as far as I can tell. I will keep hunting for more options. I bet all of this is fixable with a firmware update.


Do other Samsung players have those settings?

Shucks! That blows... my heart has a sunken feeling now! I was hoping that Samsung would have been wiser than that to release a crippled analog section. Oh well, only can hope it is firmware fixable and not a hardware update issue...


But Hey Thanks for the info! My order status is still saying "in process"... I still cannot wait to get it to test it out even with the crippled analog outputs.

 

[FilmMixer]



Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch /forum/post/12495737


Two things:


1) Those are receivers, not processors. I don't need amps. I do separates only.


2) You may be right - I did not know the difference. Is there a way to test this? Is there some sort of core-less stream I can use?

Onkyo and Integra are your two choices today.. missed your processor qualifier.


It's kind of a weird side effect of the core+extention tech, but there really is no way of knowing whether or not a player is passing decoded DTS-MA, in either PCM or analog form.


PS.. don't you have a film to catch at the Bridge

 

[circumstances]



Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch /forum/post/12495722


Speaker setup completely blows. All you get is large / small / off on channels, and you can't even set a 6.1 configuration. No channel level or distance as far as I can tell. I will keep hunting for more options. I bet all of this is fixable with a firmware update.


Do other Samsung players have those settings?

and there you have it.


CES, less than a month away. :|

 

[haggisbingo]



Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch /forum/post/12495737


Two things:


1) Those are receivers, not processors. I don't need amps. I do separates only.


2) You may be right - I did not know the difference. Is there a way to test this? Is there some sort of core-less stream I can use?

If it were me, I'd try playing the DTS-MA dts track thru optical/digital and compare it to what you heard out of the analogs. If it's truly DTA-MA, it should sound ALOT better...

 

[gweempose]



Quote:
Originally Posted by orfny /forum/post/12493509



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[Rygar]



Quote:
Originally Posted by SileasResearch /forum/post/12495722


Speaker setup completely blows. All you get is large / small / off on channels, and you can't even set a 6.1 configuration. No channel level or distance as far as I can tell. I will keep hunting for more options. I bet all of this is fixable with a firmware update.


Do other Samsung players have those settings?

forgive me for the stupid question guys but why would you need speaker configuration in the player dont you adjust all those settings with your amplifier anyways?

 

[circumstances]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Rygar /forum/post/12495787


forgive me for the stupid question guys but why would you need speaker configuration in the player dont you adjust all those settings with your amplifier anyways?

for people like me who need 5.1 analog in order to receive the lossless formats, if the player does the speaker management it can output the signal via analog to the processor, and you can set the processor to passthrough out to the speakers.


if you need the processor to do the speaker management, it needs to do so with its Digital Signal Processor (DSP), which involves another Analog to Digital, then Digital back to Analog conversion. Plus, with the crossover set to 100hz and non-adjustable, forget bass management from the get-go.

 

[Brent Madden]

So, will this player output multi-channel TrueHD through HDMI even though it's only 2-channel through the analogs?

 

[martin1406]

u are the lucky one. let me know how it works