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I apologize for my ignorance, but, I've been wondering... have 3D projectors truly arrived yet?


The last time I checked in here, maybe a year and a half back, the feedback on 3D projectors boiled down to one phrase - "not worth it yet." There were major compromises in picture quality for 2D and the 3D was underwhelming and inconsistent. Has this changed?


I currently has a JVC RS1 and 100" Stewart Film screen, which delivers an exceptionally beautiful picture. If I had 8-10K to spend on a 3D projector, would I get one with an equally excellent 2D picture as well as great 3D? I saw The Avengers last night and I thought, maybe it's time to make the switch.


What's the consensus out there now?


Thanks for any input.
 

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Is there a way to have a two projector set up? One for 2D and the other for 3D
 

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No it sucks. 2D is still the best way to watch movies.

Really interesting. If this is the consensus, I guess I'll hang onto my money for a few more years.
 

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Really interesting. If this is the consensus, I guess I'll hang onto my money for a few more years.

Many love 3D. I'm more of a 2D guy and i watch 2D about 95% compared to 3D at 5%. However, I'm about to watch a lot of 3D the next couple of weeks. I sold my JVC RS55, which is an excellent 2D projector for blu rays and some 3D blu rays. I was 100% satisfied with it, but i got a good offer on it, so i decided to get a Benq W7000 for sports and 3D, then upgrade to a new JVC in December. So, i would count out 3D, but if you have extra to spend and want better 2D, try a newer JVC, you will get ok 3D and great 2D.
 

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Really interesting. If this is the consensus, I guess I'll hang onto my money for a few more years.
That's not the consensus. Some folks hate 3D with a passion, and will never consider it a viable form of entertainment.


There are a number of 2012 models that are very good-to-excellent 3D projectors. The Epson 5010 is probably the best LCD 3D projector. It's insanely bright, features great contrast and deep black level, and has very little 3D crosstalk and ghosting. The BenQ W7000 is the best DLP 3D projector, and throws a bright, razor-sharp image. From all indications, it has zero crosstalk or ghosting.


Neither projector will throw as good a 2D image as your JVC, but they serve as excellent companions as a 3D unit.
 

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Really interesting. If this is the consensus, I guess I'll hang onto my money for a few more years.

Buying a 3D projector is pretty much inevitable if you're curious about it but if you want to avoid wasting money on the chance you don't like it then buy a projector with better 2D than what you already have.
 

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If you have the right projector and content, 3d is a lot of fun. I enjoy it.
 

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Thanks for all the quick replies.


I could never buy a projector with inferior 2D performance to what I have. I could, maybe, talk myself into buying a projector with better 2D performance than what I have that also happens to do 3D (even knowing that the 3D will not look as could as the 2D).


What's the name of the new JVC coming out in December, if it is known?
 
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Is there a way to have a two projector set up? One for 2D and the other for 3D

No. Not a realistic option.
 

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At the present time, the projectors in your reach would be the JVC RS55, RS45, Sony vw 95 or Mitsubishi 9000. The two least expensive of this group is the RS45 and Mits. I see terrific deals on both quite often. If thinking of the vw95, I would opt for the Mits, they use similar panels.
 

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Buying a 3D projector is pretty much inevitable if you're curious about it but if you want to avoid wasting money on the chance you don't like it then buy a projector with better 2D than what you already have.

By the way, I have trouble believing that, even if I spend 8-10K today, I will get noticeably better 2D performance than my RS1 already delivers. This is part of what keeps me from upgrading, even after 5 years.


Would a projector today really be much better? If not, it's really hard to justify for the novelty of less than great 3D.


The only clear improvement I can imagine making on my RS1 would be to get an actual widescreen (2.40:1) and an anamorphic lens. But that's gonna cost a lot more than 8-10K if I also get a new projector.
 

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Well, the newer projectors will be much brighter if you need any extra brightness, and they will be sharper unless you got really lucky on your RS1 and have near perfect convergence. They will also have better blacks, so yes there is a high chance it will be better. How much better will be in the eye of the beholder, so no-one can say for sure what you perceive, for me it would be a sizable improvement.
 

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I had the rs40 before the rs55, i thought it was a major upgrade. I would think the rs40 would outperform the rs1. If you not sold on 3d, then i would wait to see what improvements JVC make to their projectors in September. Or go for a rs65 if you have 8k to spend
 

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I just upgraded from an almost a 5 year old Sony vpl vw60 (black pearl) to a JVC rs40 b stock from AVS and I definetly see a major improvements from similar priced projectors almost 5 years apart. Although not a night and day difference from the Sony, which I thought was great the newer JVC is brighter, sharper, better contrast and I still can't get over the blacks. If I had to put a number on it I would say about a 35% to 40% overall improvement. I originally paid $3800.00 for the Sony & just sold it on EBAY for $850.00 & I paid $1749.00 for the JVC so in the end the JVC came out to $899.00. If I can keep doing the B stock every 4 years or so I think it makes good economic sense, whatever I get at the time will should be a pretty good improvement. BTW I have a Panamorph 380 anamorphic lense & a 120 curved screen I would highly recommend going 2:35 for your upgrade. Good luck in your search.
 

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Recently upgraded my Sony HS20 to the Epson 6010, great image upgrade with excellent 3D to boot, and installed was $100 less than what I had paid for my older pj a few years back. Your upgrade isn't going to be as much an improvement as mine was, and maybe worth waiting to see next years improvements. However, I think if you can get the added 3D feature that performs well, with an excellent 2D image on a new pj, then why not? I've been very pleased with my upgrade. Even though I haven't watched a lot of 3D content, it's been a very enjoyable experience when I do. I'm sure if we wait a few years, we'll be asking if holograms have truly arrived.
 

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By the way, I have trouble believing that, even if I spend 8-10K today, I will get noticeably better 2D performance than my RS1 already delivers. This is part of what keeps me from upgrading, even after 5 years.

Would a projector today really be much better? If not, it's really hard to justify for the novelty of less than great 3D.
The only clear improvement I can imagine making on my RS1 would be to get an actual widescreen (2.40:1) and an anamorphic lens. But that's gonna cost a lot more than 8-10K if I also get a new projector.


You should give us a call.
 

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A modern JVC/Sony will blow an RS1 out of the water in 2D and you'll get 3D to boot as a bonus. IMHO


Sharper, better colors, higher contrast, better motion, brighter - these are all 2D improvements.
 

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I don't get all the 3D bashing. Most new PJs and flat screens include 3D, so it's your choice to add glasses and buy the 3D BDs. Movies like Avatar and Prometheus were made for 3D. Why would you want to watch them any other way. Granted, Avatar is still not out for general release, but that will change soon. Too much money to be made to wait past this Holiday season. Prometheus will make it to BD on Oct. 9th. Tons of other good 3D material too like IMAX stuff, animation, and action flicks.


Most people are negative towards 3D because they haven't really experienced it done right in a home theater. You need the right projector and glasses. They're not all the same. Some projectors do 3D better than others. There's a long shootout thread comparing the newer 3D projectors. I'd start by reading the begging section. The bottom line is that the best overall 2D/3D values are the Epson and Sony. Each has it's benefits, but I like my Epson because it produces bright 3D which is a must IMHO. The MonsterVision Max 3D glasses are also very good and lighter/more comfortable than most, which helps. I'd avoid the newer JVCs if the upgrade is just for the 3D.
 

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If you've got the money I'd highly suggest doing a 2 projector set up. DLP is really the way to go for 3D. For the most overall clean, bright and noise free 3D it's by far the best technology. For 2D, unless you want to spend a bunch of money on a higher end DLP, LCOS is the way to go. JVC puts out one heck of a value with their RS45 and 55.


Something like Optoma's HD33 or BenQ's W7000 for 3D and something like JVC's DLA-RS45 for 2D would make for a killer setup.
 
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