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@sage11x, well done. It's clear that you've put a lot of effort into developing your projector reviewing skills. This was not only thoroughly informative but as fair and balanced as the best of the pro reviewers. Pointing out that this was an engineering sample and that some things may change reminds me of the projectorcentral.com review of the HT2550. The initial review was done with an engineering sample and they had to rewrite their review after they got a production sample because the performance was improved. So your follow-up with a production sample will be anticipated to see what might have changed for the better.

Speaking of the HT2550 it's clear now why its street price is falling fast. Once the HT3550 is being sold at the same original MSRP it's just going to kill HT2550 sales.
Thanks, Dave, that means a lot.


Part of my issue is I'm a geek. I get enthusiastic about this stuff. :) I've really tried to parse out my review to make sure I'm communicating my opinions as clearly as possible.


The HT2550 is actually EOL. In Europe they will get an updated version of the W1700 this year but here in the states the TK800 will continue on alone.
 
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You know I just didn’t spend as much time with 3D. Maybe watched an hour or more of content just to make sure the feature worked.

Here are the movies I demoed:

Inside Out
Moana
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Dredd 3D
Pacific Rim

Honestly I didn’t even know Avengers came out in 3D... you can still buy 3D movies? :)

The issue I experienced with Avengers is strictly a firmware bug NOT a hardware issue. Keep in mind this is a VERY early pre-production sample so issues like that are expected. I have every confidence in BenQ to fix the issue. Clearly, the iris worked well the majority of the time. I’ll update everyone when I can.
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Nice review, will like to see a compassion between Iris vs Smart Eco. Iris + Eco Mode and with Wide Color (and vise versa) , just to have an idea lost Lumen or Screen Size and Contrast performance, etc. And of course same for 3D (1080p). I notice in BenQ specs, it have various Color Wheel speed, gave me the impression was capable to do 1080p/120hz, is that incorrect ?
 

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Everyone needs to remember that the Epson 4010, a projector praised for it’s contrast/blacks, measures the same native contrast as an HT2050A. An iris, the smart application of contrast algorithms and quality HDR tone mapping can make all the difference.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of the Epson 4010, how does this BenQ stack up against it? Or even the Epson 5040 UB?
 

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Great review!
Now where can I pre-order, Amazon still has it at $1900 and shipping in 2-3 month :confused:
 
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Great review!

Now where can I pre-order, Amazon still has it at $1900 and shipping in 2-3 month :confused:


Yeah, none of the vendors know when it’s shipping. Don’t worry, it’s on it’s way.
 
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Nice review, will like to see a compassion between Iris vs Smart Eco. Iris + Eco Mode and with Wide Color (and vise versa) , just to have an idea lost Lumen or Screen Size and Contrast performance, etc. And of course same for 3D (1080p). I notice in BenQ specs, it have various Color Wheel speed, gave me the impression was capable to do 1080p/120hz, is that incorrect ?


Eco lamp mode in D Cinema or HDR wide color was too dark for my space. I only have a 100” screen but my room is far from a bat cave. In a better room I think it would be possible but my guess is most people will run the projector in normal with the filter engaged.

SmartEco lamp dimming is a nice option to have but the performance is not nearly as good as the iris and, besides the issue I mention near the end, the iris is no more visible in operation. Once I determined that I left the iris on for the duration of my testing.

1080p @ 120Hz is possible and Scott, another member who got an early look, has shown proof of it in his review.
 

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Everyone needs to remember that the Epson 4010, a projector praised for it’s contrast/blacks, measures the same native contrast as an HT2050A. An iris, the smart application of contrast algorithms and quality HDR tone mapping can make all the difference.


Speaking of the Epson 4010, how does this BenQ stack up against it? Or even the Epson 5040 UB?[/QUOTE]



That’s a good question!

Hopefully Projector central will do a comparison as they’ve shown a proclivity for these kind of shootouts in the past. My only fear is there is too much of a price gap between the two. $500 isn’t THAT much but it is a lot in this price range.

They do have ONE big thing in common and that’s that both of them offer filters to enable DCI-P3 color reproduction. So maybe PJC can use that as an excuse. :)
 

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Both are available on amazon











Ah ha! So is it that 3D is more popular in Europe and the UK? I have not seen a 3D Blu-ray on the shelf of my local big box in ages.
 

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Support for SDR/BT2020?

Greetings Sage, thanks for the detail review.


1. I'm currently using a chinese made Lune4K, and wonder if the w2700 would offers significant improvement or if I should wait for the w5700. The Lune4K, like most projectors, don;t do HDR well. The JVC/Panasonic crowd basically has to resort to using SDR/BT2020 mode on the panasonic, and engage the Gamma 2.4 curve on the JVC in order to get decent performance. Does the 2700 have support for such features? Can the HDR mode be turned off manually/
2. It's good to see HLG support. Current the panasonic performs HLG-->HDR mapping, but result is not satisfactory. Does this mean with the 2700, HLG signal can be sent straight to the projector, by passing the panasionic player?
3. Does the projector support 60Hz @4.2.2/12bits?
4. Horizontal lens shift?
5. What's the TI chipset used?


Many thanks and best regards,
 

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Support for SDR/BT2020?

Greetings Sage, thanks for the detail review.


1. I'm currently using a chinese made Lune4K, and wonder if the w2700 would offers significant improvement or if I should wait for the w5700. The Lune4K, like most projectors, don;t do HDR well. The JVC/Panasonic crowd basically has to resort to using SDR/BT2020 mode on the panasonic, and engage the Gamma 2.4 curve on the JVC in order to get decent performance. Does the 2700 have support for such features? Can the HDR mode be turned off manually/
2. It's good to see HLG support. Current the panasonic performs HLG-->HDR mapping, but result is not satisfactory. Does this mean with the 2700, HLG signal can be sent straight to the projector, by passing the panasionic player?
3. Does the projector support 60Hz @4.2.2/12bits?
4. Horizontal lens shift?
5. What's the TI chipset used?


Many thanks and best regards,


1. Never seen the Lune4k but I can definitely tout the HT3550’s prowess with HDR material. BenQ has equipped the HT3550 with their new HDR PRO tone mapping feature— the same one that is debuting on their new, $9000 HT9060– and it does a phenomenal job. Projectors will never have the HDR capabilities of flatscreens which is why effective tone mapping is so crucial. Don’t take my word for it— in his preview of the Ht9060, Chris Eberle of Secrets said: “It’s the first true implementation of “projector HDR” I’ve seen that actually works well. My initial notes are filled with positive adjectives.”

2. HLG can be sent directly to the projector but unfortunately I was not able to test this as I have no HLG sources.

3. It should, yes, but understand this is not a 12 bit display (obviously). I may have a way to confirm this with my PC but it will have to wait until I receive my sample back. Might want to address this to Scott in the other thread.

4. No.

5. Uses a revised version of the DLP47 XPR that eliminates the light border of the first generation DMD.
 

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Speaking of the Epson 4010, how does this BenQ stack up against it? Or even the Epson 5040 UB?


That’s a good question!

Hopefully Projector central will do a comparison as they’ve shown a proclivity for these kind of shootouts in the past. My only fear is there is too much of a price gap between the two. $500 isn’t THAT much but it is a lot in this price range.

They do have ONE big thing in common and that’s that both of them offer filters to enable DCI-P3 color reproduction. So maybe PJC can use that as an excuse. :)[/QUOTE]


Pricing in the US is unbeatable.
Outside we have:
Epson TW9400 (5050UB) $3k (2.5k on sale)
Epson TW9300 (5040UB) 3k ( (2.5k on sale)
Benq W2700 (HT3550) 2k
Benq 1110 (HT2050a) 1k
Cheapest JVC RS440 4k :D

This seems like a very solid entry from Benq, but do you think the pricing would come down still for the HT3550?

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1/2.I believe HDR mode enables/disables itself automatically when it detects an HDR signal.
2. Not sure if this has 10gb or 18gb:
HDMI 2.0a specifications: https://www.google.com/search?q=hdm...UIDigB&biw=1680&bih=930#imgrc=c65a3GyrVEYQnM:
3. Only Lens Shift Vertical 100%~110%
https://www.benq.com/en-us/projector/cineprime-home-cinema/ht3550/specifications.html
4.TI is Texas Instruments, the DLP chip that is being used.
 

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That’s a good question!

Hopefully Projector central will do a comparison as they’ve shown a proclivity for these kind of shootouts in the past. My only fear is there is too much of a price gap between the two. $500 isn’t THAT much but it is a lot in this price range.

They do have ONE big thing in common and that’s that both of them offer filters to enable DCI-P3 color reproduction. So maybe PJC can use that as an excuse. :)


Pricing in the US is unbeatable.
Outside we have:
Epson TW9400 (5050UB) $3k (2.5k on sale)
Epson TW9300 (5040UB) 3k ( (2.5k on sale)
Benq W2700 (HT3550) 2k
Benq 1110 (HT2050a) 1k
Cheapest JVC RS440 4k :D

This seems like a very solid entry from Benq, but do you think the pricing would come down still for the HT3550?

@qoopy
1/2.I believe HDR mode enables/disables itself automatically when it detects an HDR signal.
2. Not sure if this has 10gb or 18gb:
HDMI 2.0a specifications: https://www.google.com/search?q=hdm...UIDigB&biw=1680&bih=930#imgrc=c65a3GyrVEYQnM:
3. Only Lens Shift Vertical 100%~110%
https://www.benq.com/en-us/projector/cineprime-home-cinema/ht3550/specifications.html
4.TI is Texas Instruments, the DLP chip that is being used.[/QUOTE]



I sincerely doubt it. Only because, honestly, The price is already so aggressive. Eventually, maybe, but I don’t anticipate that happening soon. The most direct competitor for the HT3550 is going to be the Optoma UHD51a and UHD51alv at $1700. That projector adds Alexa but lacks the HT3550’s iris, the DCI P3 filter, and the new tone mapping. It also uses the old DMd with the light border.

Only time (and comparisons) will tell but at it’s price the BenQ is going to be tough to beat. Another thing to consider is in Europe you guys will get a lower priced 4K RGBRGB in the form of the new W1720. So BenQ will ah e a lower priced alternative for those not wanting to spend as much.
 
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I sincerely doubt it. Only because, honestly, The price is already so aggressive. Eventually, maybe, but I don’t anticipate that happening soon. The most direct competitor for the HT3550 is going to be the Optoma UHD51a and UHD51alv at $1700. That projector adds Alexa but lacks the HT3550’s iris, the DCI P3 filter, and the new tone mapping. It also uses the old DMd with the light border.

Only time (and comparisons) will tell but at it’s price the BenQ is going to be tough to beat. Another thing to consider is in Europe you guys will get a lower priced 4K RGBRGB in the form of the new W1720. So BenQ will ah e a lower priced alternative for those not wanting to spend as much.
From Amazon.com: $1,902.74 + $435.36 Shipping & Import Fees Deposit :serious:
I think it's the EU+local taxes that makes things difficult. Don't know what the import fees are for the other stores, but not sure if I want to purchase something like this from abroad.

I want better black levels and was looking at the TW 9300/9400, so I don't think the W1720 will do the trick. I hope someone gets to test the HT3550 in a dark room to get an idea of what it can do in that respect. It's got killer combiation 3D + CFI + 4K HDR + [email protected] + Iris + throw range similar to HT2050 platform, simple swap.

BTW, i recently tested a Sony VPL-HW65ES on a slightly grey matte screen, but the showroom had white walls. The blacks/contrast looked slightly inferior to my W2000(HT3050). I thought I was going to see a difference but was kinda disappointing. The model is missing a lot of features as well.
 

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Would you mind sharing your Sony X700 settings that you used with this Projector? This is the player that I plan on purchasing. When I borrowed my friend's X700 to test 4K movies down converted to the 2050a, I realized I wouldn't know if I should use the 4:4:4, 4:2:2, etc. Afraid I get to a point I'd end up just using a 2x4. :D
 

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From Amazon.com: $1,902.74 + $435.36 Shipping & Import Fees Deposit :serious:
I think it's the EU+local taxes that makes things difficult.

I want better black levels and was looking at the TW 9300/9400, so I don't think the W1720 will do the trick. I hope someone gets to test the HT3550 in a dark room to get an idea of what it can do in that respect. It's got killer combiations 3D + CFI + 4K HDR + Iris + throw range similar to HT2050 platform, simple swap.

BTW, i recently tested a Sony VPL-HW65ES on a slightly grey matte screen, but the showroom had white walls. The blacks/contrast looked slightly inferior to my W2000(HT3050). I thought I was going to see a difference but was kinda disappointing. The model is missing a lot of features as well.

Go read my review! :) All my viewing was done in a dark room with moderate light control.

The HT3550 is not going to compete with LCOS projectors from Sony/JVC in terms of contrast/blacks. My guess is that 65ES was hampered by some combination of bad room, bad screen or bad setup. Maybe all three.

The HT3550 has excellent black levels for a DLP. Some people might take that as faint praise as DLP has never been known for having deep blacks. But here’s the thing: cost plays a role here.

The HT3550 has DCI-P3 color, a massively sharp 4K resolution and 4K MEMC — those are features that even multi thousand dollar projectors couldn’t match even a year ago. The difference is contrast/blacks. That’s what you are paying for these days and that is going to be the single biggest difference between a projector that costs 4 grand versus one that costs 2 grand. The other tough thing about projectors is the room plays a BIG role in the quality of picture you are able to achieve. In a poor room, even a hero projector is just going to look ‘OK’. That’s why you don’t see too many people putting JVCs in their living room. :) In that environment the advantages over a lower cost projector are going to be significantly reduced.

The HT3550 should represent a step up over your HT3050. Again, I expect that native contrast measurements (iris off) will fall behind the HT2050/HT3050. But with the iris on and watching HDR content the HT3550 is going to have a big advantage.
 
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Would you mind sharing your Sony X700 settings that you used with this Projector? This is the player that I plan on purchasing. When I borrowed my friend's X700 to test 4K movies down converted to the 2050a, I realized I wouldn't know if I should use the 4:4:4, 4:2:2, etc. Afraid I get to a point I'd end up just using a 2x4. :D


Thanks to the HT3550’s improved performance and handling of HDR material I have returned my X800 to it’s default settings. Output resolution is at 4K, HDR is on auto, display type is TV (the Sonys offer a projector output that compresses HDR— I used that with the HT2550 but don’t need it anymore). I run picture mode ‘direct’ with no reduction in contrast or other image processing. Until I encounter material the HT3550 has issues with I just want the x800 to be a transport. I’ll keep you posted.
 

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Thanks to the HT3550’s improved performance and handling of HDR material I have returned my X800 to it’s default settings. Output resolution is at 4K, HDR is on auto, display type is TV (the Sonys offer a projector output that compresses HDR— I used that with the HT2550 but don’t need it anymore). I run picture mode ‘direct’ with no reduction in contrast or other image processing. Until I encounter material the HT3550 has issues with I just want the x800 to be a transport. I’ll keep you posted.
Super. And sorry I mixed up the model. For some reason I thought you had the X700. As far as settings go, I figure they are similar.
 

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Thanks to the HT3550’s improved performance and handling of HDR material I have returned my X800 to it’s default settings. Output resolution is at 4K, HDR is on auto, display type is TV (the Sonys offer a projector output that compresses HDR— I used that with the HT2550 but don’t need it anymore). I run picture mode ‘direct’ with no reduction in contrast or other image processing. Until I encounter material the HT3550 has issues with I just want the x800 to be a transport. I’ll keep you posted.
I have the x800 as well, but wouldn't you want to use original resolution?
 

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I have the x800 as well, but wouldn't you want to use original resolution?


Either way. Both do a fantastic job of up conversion.
 
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