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Can you check out motion with sports ? I'm particularly interested in how it looks (ice) and handles a hockey game. Football also.
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I'd be interested in hearing if the fan is quieter in eco and normal than on the HT3550, not that my wife would allow me to spend 1k more to swap out to the HT5550 lol but that would be something I would pay more for.
My first impression is that it is quieter. I will test this weekend with more objective data points.
 

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Off topic: I just changed my avatar pic for the first time in 7 years. I feel I've mellowed out more than my previous avatar of Ronald Reagan riding a velociraptor would suggest.

So naturally, I went with a still shot of a confused Hobbes.

Here's to the next 7 years....
 

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Will do. I will be putting this guy through the ringer.
And after that , can u get Benq on the ringer and get them to add support on this pj for 2.35 CIH mode. :mad:
Since this is squarely going up against the 5050 price wise , the least they can do is turn up the heat a little. Then they can work on motorized lens control,
for next years model, and really compete ! ;):)
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Also I'm not that convinced how those handle 1080p material since the chip is not native 1080p and there would be inevitable scaling always. Even I want to be able to watch 4K material, most of my viewing will be 1080p for a long time, so excellent 1080p is a must feature, as well as native refresh rate (with even multiples) for 24Hz and 50Hz. I'm afraid those had some limitations in that department.


Definitely. That brings another thing about W5700 to my mind. Based on the specifications it seem pretty light for its size. It is almost as big as W5000 but it weight a lot less that that, and hugely less than W11000 or X12000. I guess that is expected considering price, it is much less than even W5000 cost initially (I was lucky to bought one for dirt cheap when they were selling them before new model was introduced).


OK, so I think it will look less sharp than W5000. I wonder how big downgrade with 1080p material that would be. I definitely appreciate sharp optics in my projectors. I know W5000 is not perfect either but it is very sharp with some softening on sides but still I can see every pixel clearly and everything looks very sharp from viewing distance.

I try to see one for myself to be able to determine if I could live with one but I guess I must prepare myself for another disappointment. For quite some time before I saw W5700 introduced I was even considering a huge 85" or bigger flat screen tv as a successor for my W5000 but there are some issues to consider with that kind of approach too. I think watching movie will suffer from loosing that movie theater effect projector in darkened room gives, even picture quality in flat screen would be better but there are other things to consider too...
If you are really concerned about the upscaling capabilities of the projector, I would get a Panasonic UB820 (which arguably offers the best 4k upscaling on the market) and let the player upscale the 1080p and feed 4k into the projector. The HDR optimizer function is also particularly handy for projector owners.

Vincent from Hdtvtest gives a review of the UB9000 upscaling performance - the UB9000 is essentially the same as the UB820 besides better build quality and analogue outputs:

 
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If you are really concerned about the upscaling capabilities of the projector, I would get a Panasonic UB820 (which arguably offers the best 4k upscaling on the market) and let the player upscale the 1080p and feed 4k into the projector. The HDR optimizer function is also particularly handy for projector owners.
Are you saying the UB820 will upscale my Directv 1080P?
 

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Are you saying the UB820 will upscale my Directv 1080P?
It is able to upscale anything that is played through the player which includes obviously Blu-rays, but also streaming services such as Netflix and Amazon Prime which exist as apps on the player. I'm not sure if there is a Directtv app in the Panasonic.
 

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If you are really concerned about the upscaling capabilities of the projector, I would get a Panasonic UB820 (which arguably offers the best 4k upscaling on the market) and let the player upscale the 1080p and feed 4k into the projector. The HDR optimizer function is also particularly handy for projector owners.

Vincent from Hdtvtest gives a review of the UB9000 upscaling performance - the UB9000 is essentially the same as the UB820 besides better build quality and analogue outputs:
So the video performance is identical? ie same menu, same options as the 9000? Just lacking the audio upgrades?

If that's the case then it's probably the cheapest vs most effective way to tone map yeah?
 

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If you are really concerned about the upscaling capabilities of the projector, I would get a Panasonic UB820 (which arguably offers the best 4k upscaling on the market) and let the player upscale the 1080p and feed 4k into the projector. The HDR optimizer function is also particularly handy for projector owners.
Yes, I know that but I was more concerned about actual optical performance of these smaller than 0.95" chips. As we know the smaller chip requires even more higher quality lens than larger one to be able to resolve as much detail (optically), and then realizing the fact that especially W5700 is at pretty low price range already. So how high quality optics can be? Then of course the fact that smaller chip compared to larger chip has less actual mirror surface. Anyway, I'm looking forward for detailed reviews with measurements and hope to see comparison or comments from those owning 0.95" 1080p projector.
 

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I will test this weekend with more objective data points.
Great. I'm looking forward to read you findings.

Few things would be very interesting to hear about.
1. Does lens shift has a big effect on image sharpness, sharpness uniformity or other aspects like distortion? In my setup, I would be using the projector right side up with lens shift almost all the way down.
2. How much zoom effects the same as above? In my setup I would be using almost the smallest picture due to quite long throw distance. Basically that is usually good thing, at least for contrast.
3. Could you take a photo of the lens where it shows what kind of aperture the lens has? Is there any kind of cats eye iris build in already, since the dynamic iris on not place inside the lens?
4. Also could you comment more how lens cap works, is it snap on type with some kind of claws holding it or does it only go around the lens and how tight it is? I mean it is easy to take off and put on without messing the lens adjustments?
5. How does the lens quality seem? Can you see the pixels clearly when looking screen from close distance and is it uneven (softer or chromatic error) on the sides or edges?
 

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It is able to upscale anything that is played through the player which includes obviously Blu-rays, but also streaming services such as Netflix and Amazon Prime which exist as apps on the player. I'm not sure if there is a Directtv app in the Panasonic.
It needs an hdmi input like on the Oppo 203 to play Directv and scale it. However, if it has Directv Now streaming service that would suffice. Probably doesn't.
 

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Also, can you please comment on the remote? I assume it's a hard press/click button remote like the 990 I have here? which is a bit annoying. The soft press buttons like on the previous e-shift JVCs and current Sonys would be great. The new jvc is awful, hard press click with buttons side by side no gap. Oh and can you bounce it off your screen? That's very important.
 

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Also, can you please comment on the remote? I assume it's a hard press/click button remote like the 990 I have here? which is a bit annoying. The soft press buttons like on the previous e-shift JVCs and current Sonys would be great. The new jvc is awful, hard press click with buttons side by side no gap. Oh and can you bounce it off your screen? That's very important.
Have you considered a universal remote? I wouldn't pick my projector based on its remote ;)
 

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Also, can you please comment on the remote? I assume it's a hard press/click button remote like the 990 I have here? which is a bit annoying. The soft press buttons like on the previous e-shift JVCs and current Sonys would be great. The new jvc is awful, hard press click with buttons side by side no gap. Oh and can you bounce it off your screen? That's very important.


The remote is identical to the HT3550 but is in black. Yes you can bounce off screen. Backlit. Buttons are soft and do have a little audible ‘click!’ to them

 

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So the video performance is identical? ie same menu, same options as the 9000? Just lacking the audio upgrades?

If that's the case then it's probably the cheapest vs most effective way to tone map yeah?
Yes. I will note that the UB9000 has 1 more HDR optimizer function compared to the UB820 - you are able to select between low and high luminance projector whereas the UB820 has one category for "Basic Luminance LCD and Projector"

 

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Great. I'm looking forward to read you findings.



Few things would be very interesting to hear about.

1. Does lens shift has a big effect on image sharpness, sharpness uniformity or other aspects like distortion? In my setup, I would be using the projector right side up with lens shift almost all the way down.

2. How much zoom effects the same as above? In my setup I would be using almost the smallest picture due to quite long throw distance. Basically that is usually good thing, at least for contrast.

3. Could you take a photo of the lens where it shows what kind of aperture the lens has? Is there any kind of cats eye iris build in already, since the dynamic iris on not place inside the lens?

4. Also could you comment more how lens cap works, is it snap on type with some kind of claws holding it or does it only go around the lens and how tight it is? I mean it is easy to take off and put on without messing the lens adjustments?

5. How does the lens quality seem? Can you see the pixels clearly when looking screen from close distance and is it uneven (softer or chromatic error) on the sides or edges?

This isn’t first impression post but wow. This is an incredible projector. I’ll share more tomorrow and Monday.

1. Not that I notice. Seems to be uniform. Quick note - The HT5550 projector I am testing right was their event road show projector. I think between the airline carriers, people fiddling in event settings, and multiple Fedex trips, a slight misalignment of one of lens elements happened. The anomaly isn’t preventing me from other testing. It isn’t that bad to be honest. I have learned to never issue judgment on sharpness on pre production units with BenQ. This is my fourth time that sharpness is a bit off in a sample unit but the later production unit was perfect.

2. At first glance zoom, shift, etc isn’t effect the uniformity of focus. But see #1 and let’s wait a bit to learn more.

3. Small cat eye


4. Lens cap was taped on when it arrives. Is slides off and on easily so as to not adjust lens settings if you were to take it off. No claw.

5. Uniformity is consistent but has that slight misalignment I mentioned. What I see is unlike anything I’ve seen from BenQ so I’m confident that it is an anomaly with my unit. I’ll keep you updated as I learn more.

In the meantime this is a snap I took with my iPhone. The flesh tone is so good while maintaining detail in the clouds in a very bright background. HDR brightness was set to +1 and wide color mode is on in this picture. On the flip side color and detail in shadows is most impressive. Gradation is very good. I’ll share more soon.

 

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This isn’t first impression post but wow. This is an incredible projector. I’ll share more tomorrow and Monday.
Excellent, many thanks. So far looks very promising.

1. Not that I notice. Seems to be uniform. Quick note - The HT5550 projector I am testing right was their event road show projector. I think between the airline carriers, people fiddling in event settings, and multiple Fedex trips, a slight misalignment of one of lens elements happened. The anomaly isn’t preventing me from other testing. It isn’t that bad to be honest. I have learned to never issue judgment on sharpness on pre production units with BenQ. This is my fourth time that sharpness is a bit off in a sample unit but the later production unit was perfect.

2. At first glance zoom, shift, etc isn’t effect the uniformity of focus. But see #1 and let’s wait a bit to learn more.
OK, lets hope so that productions units are better. However there is little doubt in me telling that usually manufacturers seem to "cherry pick" demo units and they can be much better than what actual products sold are. I hope this is not the case here, considering there might be some shipping damage in the sample unit even packaging is usually designed to handle normal drops during shipping so that product should not be damaged easily.

3. Small cat eye
Good, there seem to be slight cat eye shape. Light from the lamp maybe effecting, is it even smaller opening that what appears on the photo?

4. Lens cap was taped on when it arrives. Is slides off and on easily so as to not adjust lens settings if you were to take it off. No claw.
Very nice. Save a lot of trouble when I don't need to make my own cap for this one. I actually made one for my W5000 (that does not come with any kind of lens cap) from cutting a piece from lamp shade and them my wife sewed from cotton fabric actual "cap" with handle over it. Very easy put on and take off but very hard to make. :p

5. Uniformity is consistent but has that slight misalignment I mentioned. What I see is unlike anything I’ve seen from BenQ so I’m confident that it is an anomaly with my unit. I’ll keep you updated as I learn more.
In the part of the picture that you can focus sharply in this unit, can you easily see the pixels when looking screen from close distance? I mean the crisp way they appear in 0.95" DLP's?
 

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