[Cayenne]

Besides the Sammy HLP sets what else are you waiting to see before you make your buying decision.


For me, I really want to see a comparion between the JVC D-ILA sets and the HLP HD2+ sets, before I make my decision.


It's killing me to wait so long!!


I honestly don't don't have high hopes for the Mits/Toshiba/Panny DLP's, to top the HLP.

 

[RogerDuvernay]

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Originally posted by Cayenne Besides the Sammy HLP sets what else are you waiting to see before you make your buying decision. For me, I really want to see a comparion between the JVC D-ILA sets and the HLP HD2+ sets, before I make my decision. It's killing me to wait so long!! I honestly don't don't have high hopes for the Mits/Toshiba/Panny DLP's, to top the HLP.

Why dont you consider the Toshiba 52HM84 (or other sizes),

they have the hd2+ TI chips, and the 52 inch will be out in July!

Only problem people see is that it has side speakers!... Does not bother me!

 

[cmonsammy]

My handle notwithstanding, I want to see any and all of them. I want to finally be able to compare competing HD2+ DLP pictures side by side, rather than scrolling through reams of pissing contests and idle speculation on these boards. Not that some of it's not entertaining...I guess that's part of what keeps us coming back here...but it's not very productive. 15 mins at Tweeter in September (?hope?) will tell me more than the ### hours (actual number deleted in case my wife comes by) I've spent browsing AVS Forum.


I also want to see prominent manufacturers forced to compete on price and quality, and find out how tight they can shave their margins. Not that I'm patient enough to watch the prices drop...I'm holding off until the HD2+'s come out, but not beyond that.

 

[cmonsammy]

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Originally posted by Cayenne Besides the Sammy HLP sets what else are you waiting to see before you make your buying decision. For me, I really want to see a comparion between the JVC D-ILA sets and the HLP HD2+ sets, before I make my decision. It's killing me to wait so long!! I honestly don't don't have high hopes for the Mits/Toshiba/Panny DLP's, to top the HLP.

Why don't you have "high hopes for the Mits/Toshiba/Panny DLP's?"

 

[soltumar]

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Originally posted by Cayenne Besides the Sammy HLP sets what else are you waiting to see before you make your buying decision...

Since the last 3 months, when I decided to jump into the HDTV hunt, and have been going to every Best Buy, Circuit City, and Tweeter store I could find so I could analize, and re-analize every HDTV out there (the 50"-56" variety), I have been mesmerized by the Sammy DLPs, until.....


I was 'overly' mesmerized this past weekend, when my eyes fell upon the Sony KF-60WE610. Nothing that I currently see right now, can compare to this model IMHO (again, that is my opinion) - and when it comes to PQ, it's all in the technology AND in the eye of the beholder - so pls, no offense to others who may think otherwise.


I am still v. interested in the Sammy HLPs coming out (HD2+), but right now based on the side to side comparisons of the Sammy DLPs on the floor (all HLNs and HLMs), if I have plunk down a few G's, it would go to this Sony 60", primarily because (no burn-in issues like the Sammy) AND to me, it's got the best SD PQ for the non-HD channels - which I was able to compare side by side in the store.


I'm going to make my purchase sometime late August or early Sep, so I can afford to compare and see what comes up, but right now this Sony is in the 'lead'.

 

[bkushin]

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Originally posted by soltumar Since the last 3 months, when I decided to jump into the HDTV hunt, and have been going to every Best Buy, Circuit City, and Tweeter store I could find so I could analize, and re-analize every HDTV out there (the 50"-56" variety), I have been mesmerized by the Sammy DLPs, until..... I was 'overly' mesmerized this past weekend, when my eyes fell upon the Sony KF-60WE610. Nothing that I currently see right now, can compare to this model IMHO (again, that is my opinion) - and when it comes to PQ, it's all in the technology AND in the eye of the beholder - so pls, no offense to others who may think otherwise. I am still v. interested in the Sammy HLPs coming out (HD2+), but right now based on the side to side comparisons of the Sammy DLPs on the floor (all HLNs and HLMs), if I have plunk down a few G's, it would go to this Sony 60", primarily because (no burn-in issues like the Sammy) AND to me, it's got the best SD PQ for the non-HD channels - which I was able to compare side by side in the store. I'm going to make my purchase sometime late August or early Sep, so I can afford to compare and see what comes up, but right now this Sony is in the 'lead'.

Interesting... this set caught my eye at Magnolia the other day. Was comparing the Samsung 43", 46" & 50" & the Sony was beside them. I thought the same thing at first - looked really good & better than the Samsungs. But after watching them all for 20 - 30 minutes, I realized that the Sony was fatigueing to watch. It's too sharp - too "digital" looking. It's sort of the same issue many had with CDs when they first came out 20 years ago - had a digital sound. The Sony had a "digital" look that caused fatigue in a fairly short time. The Samsungs have a softer image, but do not cause that kind of stress - at least in my very limited viewing so far. Hopefully I'll be able to evaluate this more fully soon - waiting for the HD2+ sets...

 

[bkushin]

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Originally posted by soltumar if I have plunk down a few G's, it would go to this Sony 60", primarily because (no burn-in issues like the Sammy)

I wasn't aware that DLPs were subject to burn-in. Can anyone comment on that?

 

[jbailey895]

They aren't. In fact, I think the previous posters have the Sammy and Sony mixed up. Most people feel the DLP technology is too sharp, thus exposing the limitations of Sat and other analog signals. The LCD projection sets generally have "smoother" images, are a little less sharp. Also, LCD has burn-in issues I believe, but DLP does not.

Good luck, and happy hunting.

Bailey

 

[ninthdragon]

Neither set (DLP, LCD) is subject to burn-in. CRT, in all its iterations, and plasma, utilize phosphors which are subject to burn-in. DLP has better black levels. LCD, like CRT and plasma, has a pronounced screen door effect (SCE).

 

[jsteinmann1]

people keep talking about the HD2+ chips.... but I think you're missing out if you don't consider the HD3 chip TVs out very shortly. Just a personal opinion, but I bet people would be hard pressed to see any differences between the HD2+ and HD3 sets... even if technically theres slightly better contrast. For the differences in price, which is a lot, I don't think it's worth the extra wait or money to get a hd2+ tv

 

[soltumar]

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Originally posted by bkushin I wasn't aware that DLPs were subject to burn-in. Can anyone comment on that?

My apologies for not expressing myself more clear ("no burn-in issue like the Sammy"). I was, in fact, stating that for the Sony LCD 60" set "like the Sammy" there are "no burn-in issues" to worry about.

 

[soltumar]

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Originally posted by bkushin Interesting... this set caught my eye at Magnolia the other day. Was comparing the Samsung 43", 46" & 50" & the Sony was beside them. I thought the same thing at first - looked really good & better than the Samsungs. But after watching them all for 20 - 30 minutes, I realized that the Sony was fatigueing to watch. It's too sharp - too "digital" looking. It's sort of the same issue many had with CDs when they first came out 20 years ago - had a digital sound. The Sony had a "digital" look that caused fatigue in a fairly short time. The Samsungs have a softer image, but do not cause that kind of stress - at least in my very limited viewing so far. Hopefully I'll be able to evaluate this more fully soon - waiting for the HD2+ sets...

I guess this is where 'personal' PQ takes over...

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It's too sharp - too "digital" looking.....The Samsungs have a softer image, but do not cause that kind of stress - at least in my very limited viewing so far.

It's for this very reason ("sharper" image on the 60" size at least) on why I happen to lean more towards the Sony at this point. I'm still 'in love' with the DLP technology (it's got more 'sex appeal' I guess). Seriously though, I believe that DLP is the main direction where HDTV will probably be going.


However, at this point in time, if I have to put 'my' money down today (before knowing how the HD2+ Sammys look), I would take the Sony and be perfectly happy.

 

[Cayenne]

I should not have said that that I don't have high hopes for mits/panny/toshiba. I guess it's just that if the Sammy is close enough to the picture quality of these 3 or even slightly worse I would buy the Sammy, due to their customer service. Having dealt with Toshiba before, I would be leary of buying anything so expensive from them again.


The JVC just intruiges me and is the only one I think that could truly outclass the Sammy.


If none of these improve on the picture quality (black levels) of the current HLN models I am going to go out and buy a 50in Plasma and be done with it.

 

[chriskev]

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LCD, like CRT and plasma, has a pronounced screen door effect (SCE).

As far as I know, CRT technology does not have the screen door effect. Perhaps ninthdragon meant to type DLP.

 

[Auditor55]

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Originally posted by ninthdragon Neither set (DLP, LCD) is subject to burn-in. CRT, in all its iterations, and plasma, utilize phosphors which are subject to burn-in. DLP has better black levels. LCD, like CRT and plasma, has a pronounced screen door effect (SCE).

CRT's have no screen door effect. Plasma is the reigning champion of "screen door effect".

 

[tokerblue]

I've been waiting to see what the Panasonic DLPs look like...

 

[samandbrady]

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Originally posted by tokerblue I've been waiting to see what the Panasonic DLPs look like...

A Waiter . And when they come out and you get to view one under crummy showroom conditions and set up Improperly.


What then will you wait for

 

[TH3_FRB]

They are not

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Originally posted by bkushin I wasn't aware that DLPs were subject to burn-in. Can anyone comment on that?

 

[TH3_FRB]

LCD panels have burn-in issues as do Plasmas...LCD projection I'm not sure about...DLP does NOT have burn-in issues.


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Originally posted by ninthdragon Neither set (DLP, LCD) is subject to burn-in. CRT, in all its iterations, and plasma, utilize phosphors which are subject to burn-in. DLP has better black levels. LCD, like CRT and plasma, has a pronounced screen door effect (SCE).

 

[bkushin]

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Originally posted by soltumar My apologies for not expressing myself more clear ("no burn-in issue like the Sammy"). I was, in fact, stating that for the Sony LCD 60" set "like the Sammy" there are "no burn-in issues" to worry about.

Actually, I should aplologize! I misunderstood - sorry about that. Looks like we agree on the burn-in issue...