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Hey there guys/gals,


I am a newb to speakers...and I have found the best way for me to learn is just to throw a question out there and here what the experts have to say.


At first I thought what I needed was a HTIB for ~$500, but the more I read the more I felt that the best way to start a nice setup was to begin with some nice speakers. and get a decent Receiver for around $150(onkyo srs-506 refurb)


Maybe I am wrong, but from what I have read receivers go out of style much faster then a nice speaker setup.


I have a living room that is pre wired with surround sound. I have a 20'ft vaulted ceiling and the room is 20x20. So I need some power in the speakers, I suppose.


If I am wrong and could spend a bit more with a HTIB please let me know.


I currently have a ps3 so I don't need a blue ray player.


Thanks for all of the help you guys can give me!


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Why do people keep pushing the EMPTEK speakers? Have you actually heard them? I haven't, and it seems no one else has either. I spent HOURS researching yesterday and went through every EMP thread on audioholics and other than the Admins. on the site, only 3-5 people had them or had heard them. I have found two reviews from people that have them, and these same people are spamming the boards trying to tell the world about them. I mean, one thread had someone asking about 3-5 thousand dollar speakers and the guy jumps in saying to get the EMPs and save the money. I almost bought these, audioholics saved me, thankfully. After I purchased them last night I did even more research and by the end of the night felt like I had been swindled from the lack of information on them. Seems like snake oil.


Anyway, OP, I am in the same place as you with an Onkyo receiver looking for a good 400-600 set of speakers, and I just want my moneys worth. I am almost sold on some polks, just have to figure out which ones.
 

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Originally Posted by JBjunior /forum/post/15504633


Why do people keep pushing the EMPTEK speakers? Have you actually heard them? I haven't, and it seems no one else has either. I spent HOURS researching yesterday and went through every EMP thread on audioholics and other than the Admins. on the site, only 3-5 people had them or had heard them. I have found two reviews from people that have them, and these same people are spamming the boards trying to tell the world about them. I mean, one thread had someone asking about 3-5 thousand dollar speakers and the guy jumps in saying to get the EMPs and save the money. I almost bought these, audioholics saved me, thankfully. After I purchased them last night I did even more research and by the end of the night felt like I had been swindled from the lack of information on them. Seems like snake oil.

EMP is the very new internet division of RBH Sound which is a well-respected speaker manufacturer. The EMP and RBH lines are pretty much the same except the RBH have nicer cabinets, cosmetics, etc and cost more as a result. Don't worry about your purchase; if you don't like how they sound, simply return them.


OP: EMP, Mirage, and Energy are your best bets. I've seen the Nanosat 5,1 system around for pretty cheap. Check out Vann's.
 

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Oops! Just noticed you need a receiver too. In that case, I'd go with the 5 Nanosats from Vann's, a Dayton sub from Parts Express, and an Onkyo receiver from AC4L or direct.
 

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Originally Posted by JBjunior /forum/post/15504633


Why do people keep pushing the EMPTEK speakers? Have you actually heard them? I haven't, and it seems no one else has either. I spent HOURS researching yesterday and went through every EMP thread on audioholics and other than the Admins. on the site, only 3-5 people had them or had heard them. I have found two reviews from people that have them, and these same people are spamming the boards trying to tell the world about them. I mean, one thread had someone asking about 3-5 thousand dollar speakers and the guy jumps in saying to get the EMPs and save the money. I almost bought these, audioholics saved me, thankfully. After I purchased them last night I did even more research and by the end of the night felt like I had been swindled from the lack of information on them. Seems like snake oil.


Anyway, OP, I am in the same place as you with an Onkyo receiver looking for a good 400-600 set of speakers, and I just want my moneys worth. I am almost sold on some polks, just have to figure out which ones.

EMP as stated by another poster is owned by RBH which is a well respected company. It is a new company. Some even claim that they use similar parts as RBH. That I can't say for sure. But as you stated, EMP should not be recommended to someone who has a larger budget. They are entry level speakers for people with limited budget.


For me, my favorite budget speakers happens to come from Frys.com or their store, which sells the Infinity Primus 362 and Polk Rti8 for very cheap almost every week or every other week. From my research, it's best if you order them seperately to save shipping.


OP,


Receiver as with any electronics get outdated pretty fast, plus speakers play the biggest difference in sound. Your budget is quite limited.


Look into:


Thespeakercompany.com

Fluance.com

Insignia bookshelf speakers at BestBuys. (There is an owner's thread in this forum if you do a research. A lot of people seem to enjoy these low end speakers).


subwoofer:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=300-635


monoprice.com for all wires, cables, and hdmi
 

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Thanks so much for all of your input. I love all of the suggestions and have been looking into all of them.


I guess I have a few questions...


I like the emptek suggestion...but I am weary for two reasons

1)Size - does a bigger speaker mean better sound?

2)Comments that they have not been proven


I am also curious since the price is around the same as the Energy speakers suggested...how do they compare. That is the the emptek HTP-551 vs the Energy C-300.


That said. How do both of these setups compare to the insignia bookself speakers suggested? I went to best buy at lunch to feel them(the display was broke so I didn't get a listen) they felt pretty solid, but wanted $90/pair, which sorta kills the "budget speaker" idea. Since doing the math I might save $100 or so over the Empteks and the energy's suggested.



*****edit #1*

I forgot the nanostats 5.1 on vanns...I found several...they look small how would they compete to the other suggestions around the same price point?


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***EDIT #2**


I want to reemphasize that my room is 20x20x20valted


thanks


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Do I need to match the quality of my center channel with the rest of the speakers? For example, I get the insignias for say $50/pair on sale and then spend $300 on a center since in movies thats your #1 most important speaker, or so I hear. Would it be off balance?





Finally....how much better is the Onkyo sr606 over the TX-SR575? Personally I dislike silver, so I don't know if it's even an option...but would the srs606 with the speaker choices I am looking at really matter all that much? wouldn't that money be better spent on better speakers?



whew thanks so much again for you suggestions....I am learning so much
 

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the Onkyo SR606 will drive anything that has been mentioned so far.


Your basic problem is a very large room that really rerquires a lot of "cone area" to move a considerable amount of air (that is basically what speakers do, small speakers move small amounts, large speakers move much more).


My recommendation (and not necessarily what you originally asked) is to visit the Elemental Designs web site and consider a 3.0 system first....L-C-R - and note please these are NOT small speakers......

Consider using their A6-6T6 towers for L-R and an A6-6T6MTM for the center
http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/...rs/33/144559//
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=616

you can save about $100 using their "package builder" for the 3.0 system
http://www.edesignaudio.com/htpackage.php


when budget allows, add an eD subwoofer, and then add the surround speakers, again when budget allows. In the end, you will be much more satisfied with the final results than buying a small 5.1 system now that is completely undersize for the room.


edit: YES, you do want your center channel speaker to "match" the Left and Right front speakers. You are creating a soundstage where the vocal tracts can move across the stage and NOT change "timbre" as they are passed from speaker to speaker. The surrounds are not as critical because there is far less audio information on the surround channels for movie soundtracts, and rarely is timbre an issue. IF you are playing full surround music however, you do not want the instruments to change timbre as they move to the surround speakers, so more closely matched speakers all around are necessary for music, if that is a high percentage of your listening.


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Originally Posted by m_vanmeter /forum/post/15509883


the Onkyo SR606 will drive anything that has been mentioned so far.


Your basic problem is a very large room that really rerquires a lot of "cone area" to move a considerable amount of air (that is basically what speakers do, small speakers move small amounts, large speakers move much more).


My recommendation (and not necessarily what you originally asked) is to visit the Elemental Designs web site and consider a 3.0 system first....L-C-R - and note please these are NOT small speakers......

Consider using their A6-6T6 towers for L-R and an A6-6T6MTM for the center
http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/...rs/33/144559//
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=616

you can save about $100 using their "package builder" for the 3.0 system
http://www.edesignaudio.com/htpackage.php


when budget allows, add an eD subwoofer, and then add the surround speakers, again when budget allows. In the end, you will be much more satisfied with the final results than buying a small 5.1 system now that is completely undersize for the room.


edit: YES, you do want your center channel speaker to "match" the Left and Right front speakers. You are creating a soundstage where the vocal tracts can move across the stage and NOT change "timbre" as they are passed from speaker to speaker. The surrounds are not as critical because there is far less audio information on the surround channels for movie soundtracts, and rarely is timbre an issue. IF you are playing full surround music however, you do not want the instruments to change timbre as they move to the surround speakers, so more closely matched speakers all around are necessary for music, if that is a high percentage of your listening.


good luck


I like your thinking.....about getting the 3.0 system..


How do the tower speakers you suggested compare to the

Infinity Primus 362 and Polk Rti8


Since I heard you can snag those for $99/ea at frys every once in a while.

If the Infinity Primus 362 and Polk Rti8 are indeed better, which center would I get to go with them.


Also is the onkyo tx-sr606 2 times as good as the tx-sr757?

Since I can get the sr757 for $160 and the sr606 for $300 refurb.



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The Polk Rti8 at Fry's are never $99 each, they're $149. Other lesser polk models like the Monitor 50 have been $99 in the past.


The Infinity P362 comes on sale for $99 from time to time, currently they're $129 each in stores.
 

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For sub $400 get the HTIB solution!


Unless you get REALLY lucky in the used department, you've got no shot at getting anything better.
 

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I just purchased the Boston Acoustics Horizon Series MCS100MDNT 5.1-Channel Speaker System for the bedroom. For just under $200 from Amazon, I am extremely pleased. Comes with an 8" sub. This system, however, is probably too small for your larger area.
 

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RBH sound has been manufacturing fantastic sounding speakers for over 30 years...... If you've been around this industry for awhile.. you would doubtfully question thier products. I will safely assume JB junior has not. The aforementioned EMP deal is an absolute steal. On the other hand...Vanmeter has a valid point. You've got a large room that would probably be served best by larger speakers. The Energy package with towers and no sub for $400 would get my first vote (add a sub later).


Re: the Refurbished Onkyo models. Be advised.. Onkyo both giveth and teketh away with the newer models.... some of the older models had better amps and higher resolution room equalization than the newer versions... while the newer versions may add things like (dynamic EQ). Choose carefully and remember to put more weight on the speakers... as thay are the only part of your system that actually produces sound... and accordingly makes the biggest difference in what you will hear.


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Originally Posted by allanf714 /forum/post/15514090


RBH sound has been manufacturing fantastic sounding speakers for over 30 years...... If you've been around this industry for awhile.. you would doubtfully question thier products. I will safely assume JB junior has not. The aforementioned EMP deal is an absolute steal. On the other hand...Vanmeter has a valid point. You've got a large room that would probably be served best by larger speakers. The Energy package with towers and no sub for $400 would get my first vote (add a sub later).


Re: the Refurbished Onkyo models. Be advised.. Onkyo both giveth and teketh away with the newer models.... some of the older models had better amps and higher resolution room equalization than the newer versions... while the newer versions may add things like (dynamic EQ). Choose carefully and remember to put more weight on the speakers... as thay are the only part of your system that actually produces sound... and accordingly makes the biggest difference in what you will hear.


Allan

you've got me worried I am missing out on the EMP deal....I will get them if they truly are that amazing, but will it work in my room?


you said the Energy would be the best bet without the sub, but the one linked had a sub included and was a total of $515. So was it another energy set you were thinking of?


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AH! I found it! it's actually a better deal to buy the sub later....hrmmmmmm......are they better speakers then the EMP setup?...Should I save and get the EMP 5.1 with two front towers?


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The Polk Rti8 at Fry's are never $99 each, they're $149. Other lesser polk models like the Monitor 50 have been $99 in the past.


The Infinity P362 comes on sale for $99 from time to time, currently they're $129 each in stores.

Interesting....well even if they are $150 each.....the A6 - 6T6 - Tower's are $250 each...how do the ones at frys stack up?
 

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Originally Posted by treepop /forum/post/15514855


you've got me worried I am missing out on the EMP deal....I will get them if they truly are that amazing, but will it work in my room?


you said the Energy would be the best bet without the sub, but the one linked had a sub included and was a total of $515. So was it another energy set you were thinking of?


*EDIT*

AH! I found it! it's actually a better deal to buy the sub later....hrmmmmmm......are they better speakers then the EMP setup?...Should I save and get the EMP 5.1 with two front towers?





Interesting....well even if they are $150 each.....the A6 - 6T6 - Tower's are $250 each...how do the ones at frys stack up?


Let me know what yo uend up doing. I am in the same boat as you. College budget need speakers. I would love to hear another opinion on the EMP speakers if that is what you are getting. I would call and ask about the 351T which was on sale for I think $689 a few weeks ago maybe you can get that deal again. Bigger speakers more for more "cone area" on the 351T compared to the 551T or 351. The 351T have 8" woofers on the towers in adition to the two front speakers.
 

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Let me know what yo uend up doing. I am in the same boat as you. College budget need speakers. I would love to hear another opinion on the EMP speakers if that is what you are getting. I would call and ask about the 351T which was on sale for I think $689 a few weeks ago maybe you can get that deal again. Bigger speakers more for more "cone area" on the 351T compared to the 551T or 351. The 351T have 8" woofers on the towers in adition to the two front speakers.

You would think that the 551T would be better then the 351T...Just because it's a larger number. Also the "standard" price of the 551T is greater. I guess I am wrong.
 

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I like your thinking.....about getting the 3.0 system..

I think this is a way to get much better speakers.


Get 3.0, then add either sub or rears, then get the las piece.


I highly recommend what I bought:


- a pair of Kef iQ1's and a KEF iQ2 for centre


They can be had from Vann's for less than $400.


Another pair of iQ1's for the rear would be nice. I ended up with 2001.2 from accessories4less.


Go to the subwwofer subforum when you gigure out what your budget for it is for suggestion in the
 

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Originally Posted by allanf714 /forum/post/15514090


RBH sound has been manufacturing fantastic sounding speakers for over 30 years...... If you've been around this industry for awhile.. you would doubtfully question thier products. I will safely assume JB junior has not. The aforementioned EMP deal is an absolute steal. On the other hand...Vanmeter has a valid point. You've got a large room that would probably be served best by larger speakers. The Energy package with towers and no sub for $400 would get my first vote (add a sub later).


Re: the Refurbished Onkyo models. Be advised.. Onkyo both giveth and teketh away with the newer models.... some of the older models had better amps and higher resolution room equalization than the newer versions... while the newer versions may add things like (dynamic EQ). Choose carefully and remember to put more weight on the speakers... as thay are the only part of your system that actually produces sound... and accordingly makes the biggest difference in what you will hear.


Allan

I will say yet AGAIN, have you heard the speakers? This has nothing to do with my experience. These speakers have been on the market for over a year and I challenge you to find anything on google, here, or any other legitimate source of information on the quality of these speakers. If you are going off of what audioholics says, then good for you. I searched every EMPTEK thread on audioholics and it was the administrators on the website and TWO people who had the system who were touting its greatness. There are roughly TWO people on this website that have the system. So, in one year 4 people have heard the system and found it noteworthy enough to post about it. All of the connections between RBH was proposed by audioholics, and the EMPTEK website was changed to not note that connection. Someone even said that their speakers arrived produced by a third "sister" company. If this is such a steal why has no one with the internet posted about them, even on audioholics? Are they so enthused with them they can't tear themselves away to post about it? Or even say they have them? The one "unbiased" review I read spammed every thread asking about it with the same verbage in every thread, probably a copy and paste. I was going to buy the system because I thought I had seen many people recommending them, then when I went back I saw it was all the SAME PERSON. If you can find some good information of people who have them, have heard them, and recommend them at ANY price that are reliable sources (not audioholics) then jump on it.


ETA: Everyone always says there isn't any BAD reviews for these, but there is on audioholics. One guy said his fronts were horrible and were muffling things. The administrators on the website were trying to convince him he got a faulty pair, which he may have. Search for the thread, as I said I was hoping this was the greatest deal ever and was planning on jumping on it. If you spend HOURS searching for information (my googlefu is strong) see what opinion you get. If you don't want to spend the hours, then hopefully they accept the return if you don't like them. Also, I wasn't doubting the connection to RBH, just the quality compared to RBH and all of the stuff from audioholics of "All of the same internals." If I just bought RBH, I would be angry.
 
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