I'm basically asking which TV can be most successfully calibrated with a 3D LUT and an i1D3...
I'm basically asking which TV can be most successfully calibrated with a 3D LUT and an i1D3...
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Best consumer LCD, Plasma for color grading -> calibrating with a 3D LUT
Hi, we are putting together a small post outfit and are considering buying an LCD or a plasma TV set for grading via Resolve. Later on this TV would be delegated as the client monitor. But for now we are on a tight budget and need to make things work for us as best as we can.
We plan on calibrating the monitor with a 3D LUT with either Agryll or Calman. The LUT will be placed in eeColor. We'll be using i1D3. We are from EU (if this makes any difference regarding panels...).
Question goes: what is the best and most sensible purchase to make in the 42" - 50" range? Is it the Panasonic VT or GT or ST series (what's the difference regarding image quality between this series if any?) or is it an Samsung F8000 or something else...? Personally I'm inclined towards LCDs more so than plasmas because of the ABL issue...
I'll appreciate any pointers or advice you can give me!
Thx
Best regards
S
Hi, we are putting together a small post outfit and are considering buying an LCD or a plasma TV set for grading via Resolve. Later on this TV would be delegated as the client monitor. But for now we are on a tight budget and need to make things work for us as best as we can.
We plan on calibrating the monitor with a 3D LUT with either Agryll or Calman. The LUT will be placed in eeColor. We'll be using i1D3. We are from EU (if this makes any difference regarding panels...).
Question goes: what is the best and most sensible purchase to make in the 42" - 50" range? Is it the Panasonic VT or GT or ST series (what's the difference regarding image quality between this series if any?) or is it an Samsung F8000 or something else...? Personally I'm inclined towards LCDs more so than plasmas because of the ABL issue...
I'll appreciate any pointers or advice you can give me!
Thx
Best regards
S
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Hello, there is an interesting Panel for Professional work from FSI, CM500TD , 50 inch 10bit Broadcast monitor, for accurate color work.
You can upload the 3D LUT Table inside the panel, using LightSpace FSI / CalMAN Studio. For Lightspace the id3 oem will work, for CalMAN Studio you have to get SpectraCAL's C6 (id3 oem or retail will not work).
FYI, FSI is using LightSpace to pre-calibrate the displays at factory.
No need for eeColor.
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Originally Posted by KINOKS /t/1518348/best-consumer-lcd-plasma-for-color-grading-calibrating-with-a-3d-lut#post_24369869
I'm basically asking which TV can be most successfully calibrated with a 3D LUT and an i1D3...
Hello, there is an interesting Panel for Professional work from FSI, CM500TD , 50 inch 10bit Broadcast monitor, for accurate color work.
You can upload the 3D LUT Table inside the panel, using LightSpace FSI / CalMAN Studio. For Lightspace the id3 oem will work, for CalMAN Studio you have to get SpectraCAL's C6 (id3 oem or retail will not work).
FYI, FSI is using LightSpace to pre-calibrate the displays at factory.
No need for eeColor.
Hi Ted! We are on a really tight budget. That's why we are considering using TVs. FSI monitors are great - just not within our reach atm.
I can understand, but I don't think plasma will be a good idea, if you will use one monitor for all, because the Resolve's Interface/Windows/Panel's will stay static a lot of hours, so will have problem with Image Retention.
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Originally Posted by KINOKS /t/1518348/best-consumer-lcd-plasma-for-color-grading-calibrating-with-a-3d-lut#post_24370265
Hi Ted! We are on a really tight budget. That's why we are considering using TVs. FSI monitors are great - just not within our reach atm.
I can understand, but I don't think plasma will be a good idea, if you will use one monitor for all, because the Resolve's Interface/Windows/Panel's will stay static a lot of hours, so will have problem with Image Retention.
The monitor will be used as a reference monitor not as GUI. But as I said I am inclined to go the LCD route more so than plasma...
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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD /t/1518348/best-consumer-lcd-plasma-for-color-grading-calibrating-with-a-3d-lut#post_24370282
....the Resolve's Interface/Windows/Panel's will stay static a lot of hours, so will have problem with Image Retention.![]()
The monitor will be used as a reference monitor not as GUI. But as I said I am inclined to go the LCD route more so than plasma...
The 2014 EU Sony Models will start to came out to stores at the end of this month, and the Samsung's are expected to be out at March. (If you can wait)
Sure, we can wait but I have no idea if this new panels will be good for color critical work...
Keep an eye open for the Panasonic TC-58AX800U (around 4.500$ retail price / no price for europe yet.) It's a Direct LED with promising 'Plasma like' picture.
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Originally Posted by KINOKS /t/1518348/best-consumer-lcd-plasma-for-color-grading-calibrating-with-a-3d-lut#post_24370603
Sure, we can wait but I have no idea if this new panels will be good for color critical work...
Keep an eye open for the Panasonic TC-58AX800U (around 4.500$ retail price / no price for europe yet.) It's a Direct LED with promising 'Plasma like' picture.
The F8000 responds very well to 3D LUTs
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Have you already purchased the eeColor Box? If not, then it may not be worth it to buy one if you get a very accurate TV, like Panasonic ZT/VT or even inexpensive ST series plasma. I would go for ST60 - they are not as expensive as ZT/VT series, but are accurate enough to have 1.5 as the highest dE after an optimal calibration, and pack a punch with ~15000/17000:1 CR. VT/ZT TVs though, are considered "reference-like" TVs with incredible accuracy.
I think non-professional, consumer level LCD TV panels are less accurate than consumer level plasma sets and have worse uniformity, but benefit more from a 3DLUT. Thus, for grading I would really go with a plasma TV as no 3DLUT will fix LCD uniformity. At the same time, LCDs are much clearer, making it a tough choice. Let the environment make the final decision for you. Is your TV going to be in a bright or dark setting? Plasmas are best in darker settings, and LCDs are best in brighter settings, but even ST60 will do fine in a brighter environment.
Make absolutely sure to profile your i1D3 with a good spectrophotometer since you want a very high level of accuracy for grading. i1D3 is not the best device for plasma calibration and my experience is that it is not accurate for LED LCDs either. This far my i1D3 was only very accurate for CCFL LCDs, CRTs, rather accurate on plasmas, but still need profiling or mine was from a bad batch.
Have you already purchased the eeColor Box? If not, then it may not be worth it to buy one if you get a very accurate TV, like Panasonic ZT/VT or even inexpensive ST series plasma. I would go for ST60 - they are not as expensive as ZT/VT series, but are accurate enough to have 1.5 as the highest dE after an optimal calibration, and pack a punch with ~15000/17000:1 CR. VT/ZT TVs though, are considered "reference-like" TVs with incredible accuracy.
I think non-professional, consumer level LCD TV panels are less accurate than consumer level plasma sets and have worse uniformity, but benefit more from a 3DLUT. Thus, for grading I would really go with a plasma TV as no 3DLUT will fix LCD uniformity. At the same time, LCDs are much clearer, making it a tough choice. Let the environment make the final decision for you. Is your TV going to be in a bright or dark setting? Plasmas are best in darker settings, and LCDs are best in brighter settings, but even ST60 will do fine in a brighter environment.
Make absolutely sure to profile your i1D3 with a good spectrophotometer since you want a very high level of accuracy for grading. i1D3 is not the best device for plasma calibration and my experience is that it is not accurate for LED LCDs either. This far my i1D3 was only very accurate for CCFL LCDs, CRTs, rather accurate on plasmas, but still need profiling or mine was from a bad batch.
Thx fellas. I see that the f8000 and the panny plasmas are the #1 choices.
Local dimming, is this a big problem?
@SC: the room will be dark. Either totally dark or semi dark, as we wanted it to be. What is the difference between the various Panasonic models? ST, VT, GT, etc... Is the panel and the processing the same?
@Buzzard: those results look nice. Is the lcd uniformly lit and what panel size do you have? Is it back or edge lit?
Plasmas are a hassle but if they are more accurate then that's what we'll go for. Especially if the ST series are as good as the VT because they can be bought for half the price of the Samsung F series LCDs...
Local dimming, is this a big problem?
@SC: the room will be dark. Either totally dark or semi dark, as we wanted it to be. What is the difference between the various Panasonic models? ST, VT, GT, etc... Is the panel and the processing the same?
@Buzzard: those results look nice. Is the lcd uniformly lit and what panel size do you have? Is it back or edge lit?
Plasmas are a hassle but if they are more accurate then that's what we'll go for. Especially if the ST series are as good as the VT because they can be bought for half the price of the Samsung F series LCDs...
KINOKS - I specifically obtained the F8000 for testing work with 3D LUTs. For that purpose it is very responsive. It is, however, a typical edge lit LCD and suffers from the usual suspects, panel uniformity among them. You can't miss the cloudiness when you display a black pattern. Not ALL black as this shuts off everything. I use a black pattern with one white pixel in each corner and the panel's shortcoming is obvious. It's a 55" screen.
I also have both a 65VT50 and a 65VT60. They are everything mentioned in previous posts. ABL may or may not be a problem but it seems that plenty of studios and other professional companies are using PDP. You might check with the people at Creative Cow and see what they think.
I also have both a 65VT50 and a 65VT60. They are everything mentioned in previous posts. ABL may or may not be a problem but it seems that plenty of studios and other professional companies are using PDP. You might check with the people at Creative Cow and see what they think.
If you intend to grade to DCI P3, a ZT would be an asset since it does 98% of P3...if it's only rec.709 output, there is no need for anything more expensive than an ST60...
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Hello, the 98% of DCI colour space Panasonic is adverticing is a marketing joke, that set can't do more that 74-80% of P3, and 98-99% of the REC.709.
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If you intend to grade to DCI P3, a ZT would be an asset since it does 98% of P3...if it's only rec.709 output, there is no need for anything more expensive than an ST60...
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Hello, the 98% of DCI colour space Panasonic is adverticing is a marketing joke, that set can't do more that 74-80% of P3, and 98-99% of the REC.709.
OK...tested and proven?...my ST60 definitely does much more than rec.709 in native mode...
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Personally for post work I'd steer clear of domestic displays, I'd be looking at the pro line of Panasonic's or similar. They are not much dearer than domestic models, in fact can be sort cheaper, also can have alternative input boards like SDI saving on external conversion which can be flawed.
Nice. How does the IQ directly compare between the VT60 and F8000? once they are calibrated?
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 /t/1518348/best-consumer-lcd-plasma-for-color-grading-calibrating-with-a-3d-lut#post_24371467
KINOKS - I specifically obtained the F8000 for testing work with 3D LUTs. For that purpose it is very responsive. It is, however, a typical edge lit LCD and suffers from the usual suspects, panel uniformity among them. You can't miss the cloudiness when you display a black pattern. Not ALL black as this shuts off everything. I use a black pattern with one white pixel in each corner and the panel's shortcoming is obvious. It's a 55" screen.
I also have both a 65VT50 and a 65VT60. They are everything mentioned in previous posts. ABL may or may not be a problem but it seems that plenty of studios and other professional companies are using PDP. You might check with the people at Creative Cow and see what they think.
Nice. How does the IQ directly compare between the VT60 and F8000? once they are calibrated?
Well just for starters a cheap consumer plasma will have to do. The price isn't really all that similar. Anyway if or when things start up we will delegate the plasma to the client and will buy an FSI for the reference but for now this will have to be it...
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Originally Posted by Smokey Joe /t/1518348/best-consumer-lcd-plasma-for-color-grading-calibrating-with-a-3d-lut#post_24373388
Personally for post work I'd steer clear of domestic displays, I'd be looking at the pro line of Panasonic's or similar. They are not much dearer than domestic models, in fact can be sort cheaper, also can have alternative input boards like SDI saving on external conversion which can be flawed.
Well just for starters a cheap consumer plasma will have to do. The price isn't really all that similar. Anyway if or when things start up we will delegate the plasma to the client and will buy an FSI for the reference but for now this will have to be it...
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