[Callsign_Vega]

So I've been looking for a decent 4K TV in the 75-85" range for under $10K. Curved or not doesn't matter to me as I like both. Please give me your thoughts:

Sony 75" 940C:
Silly side speakers I don't need
Most likely the best picture quality of 2015 TV sets (LCD not OLED)
Most likely best up-scalar
FALD/HDR?
Quantum Dot?
Best OS, can even stream PS3 games off the net
Smallest of the bunch and also fairly expensive ~$8K?
Specs showing no full 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 ports, could be in error or? Does not support 4:4:4 60 Hz 4K with HDCP 2.2?
Unknown input lag


Samsung 78" JS9500
Second best picture of 2015 sets? (LCD not OLED)
Decent OS
FALD/HDR
Quantum Dot
78" at ~$9500 most expensive 2015 TV in this price range
Contrast/blacks not so amazing?
Unknown release/availability in USA?
Supports 4:4:4 60 Hz 4K with HDCP 2.2?
Unknown input lag?


Samsung 78" HU9000 (last years model)
Decent picture quality?
Upgrade-able one-connect?
Edge lit - glow?
Can be had for $6K or less now
Does not support 4:4:4 60 Hz 4K with HDCP 2.2
Good input lag - 39ms

Then the sets that trade some picture quality for shear size:

LG 84UB9800
Massive 84" - huge boon
Edge lit - glow
2014 model, older OS but good webOS?
IPS panel - good viewing angles
IPS panel - poor contrast and blacks
Good motion clarity
Can be had for ~$6K
Supports 4:4:4 60 Hz 4K but not with HDCP 2.2 at the same time
Poor input lag 55-75ms


Samsung UN85HU8550
Great 85" size
Edge lit - glow
2014 model, older OS?
VA panel, not stellar viewing angles
VA panel, decent blacks and contrast
Can be had for ~$7K
Does not support 4:4:4 60 Hz 4K
Decent input lag - 40ms



Anyone else been considering these sets? Seems like it's coming down to smaller 2015 screens with better image quality and newer features or 2014 screens that are larger. Thoughts?

 

[Viper32]

I would for sure not say that Sony will have the best OS until they come out. I have a 2014 model and the OS sucks and is almost unusable.

 

[sytech]

The Sony does not have QDF. I think it uses special phosphors like the Panasonic to achieve its WCG. It also uses it own version of Xtended Dynamic Range for HDR. If you are looking for WCG/HDR/FALD sets there are not many to choose from right now. Especially in that size range. Here is a list of a few upcomming models. Of the one you have listed I would go with the Samsung 78". If the Sharp B4K does not turn into vaporware, it could be the biggest wildcard for you. There are also rumors of Hisense or TCL releasing 85" WHF displays for around $7000.


Samsung 65" UN65JS9500 (150 zones) $5000
Samsung 78" UN78JS9500 (180? zones) $9500
Samsung 88" UN88JS9500 (Over 200 zones, 21:9) $22000
Panasonic 65" 65CX850 (64-72? zones) $4000
Vizio 65" R65 (384? zone, may have been the 120") $3500
Vizio 120" R120 (384 zone, DolbyVision) $50000?
Hisense 65" 65XT900 (144 zone, DolbyVision) $2500
Sony 75" 75X940C (128? zones) $7000
Sharp 80" Beyond 4K (? zones, faux 8K) $?

 

[kleenex]

I would for sure not say that Sony will have the best OS until they come out. I have a 2014 model and the OS sucks and is almost unusable.

Well if you are going to get a 75" TV you have more than enough money for a ROKU.

 

[westa6969]

Based upon recent pro review in UK the Samsung 78JS9500 should be a winner if you can fin dit below $10K when it arrives soon. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue65js9500-201502234012.htm

You can't really call it second best when you consider the 77" OLED runs $25K and Pro Reviews are nitpicking even it recently.

The Sony is nowhere to be found and not certain of HDR capability or the effectiveness of the "X1" processor. Many uncertainties until Sony gets these out over the next few months.

 

[tdx]

I would buy a 78JS9500 for under 10k tomorrow if it was at that price, but I highly doubt it will, at least for a very long time. The 65" streets for 5K and the 88" for 22K, so as much as it would make sense for the 78" to be priced smack in the middle of these two In have a very strong suspicion it will be way over 10K when released next week.

Of course I have no insider knowledge about this and I could be wrong. In fact I would love to be wrong, because that would mean that the 78" might reach 7K by end of year. Now THAT would be nice.

 

[dsinger]

^ The 78" HU9000 sold for ~ 60% more than the 65" version for much of the year on Amazon and BB. 78" JS9500 should be around $9600 on release.

 

[Callsign_Vega]

I would buy a 78JS9500 for under 10k tomorrow if it was at that price, but I highly doubt it will, at least for a very long time. The 65" streets for 5K and the 88" for 22K, so as much as it would make sense for the 78" to be priced smack in the middle of these two In have a very strong suspicion it will be way over 10K when released next week.

Of course I have no insider knowledge about this and I could be wrong. In fact I would love to be wrong, because that would mean that the 78" might reach 7K by end of year. Now THAT would be nice.

TV prices don't work like that. It's more exponential than linear. I'd expect the 78" JS9500 for ~$9500. The question then would be is it worth that considering you can get last years 84-85" models for over three grand less.

 

[tdx]

If the 78 retails for less than 10K that will be great. As far as last year's models being cheaper that's a valid point but I feel the new tech for 2015 is more than worth the price difference (for me at least). So if the 78" is not too high priced I'll def spring for it.

 

[kenoh89]

You may want to add the Vizio m80-c3, Sharp lc80uh30, JVC dm85uxr and Samsung UN85JU7100 to the list, maybe in the future the Seiki pro 85" and Hisense 240 zone 4K QDF 85"


Both Sharp and Vizio models are available for preorder on Best Buy. The Vizio can be had for $3999 and the Sharp I've seen going for around $4499. the other bigger 85"inch display's won't come out till later in the year, so we're stuck with Samsung, LG and JVC for now, JVC being the best out of those three since it has FALD. Sony's 85"incher is way out in price to even be mentioned....

 

[x3sphere]

The JS9500 has 21ms input lag in Game mode. Granted only the 65" has been tested but no reason it would be different on the 78".

I'd go with the JS9500 unless the Sony has full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 ports.

 

[rlb]

Crutchfield is showing the 9500 at $15K.

 

[kenoh89]

Crutchfield is showing the 9500 at $15K.

That's strange because every other website even Sears has it for 6k, with it going for as low as $5700 on Amazon. Anybody who buys it for that price is getting ripped off very badly!


Edit: I forgot you're talking about the JS model....never mind...

 

[Verbow]

That's strange because every other website even Sears has it for 6k, with it going for as low as $5700 on Amazon. Anybody who buys it for that price is getting ripped off very badly!

He's talking the 78" - you're talking the 65"

 

[rlb]

That's strange because every other website even Sears has it for 6k, with it going for as low as $5700 on Amazon. Anybody who buys it for that price is getting ripped off very badly!


Edit: I forgot you're talking about the JS model....never mind...

Plus, I was talking about the 78JS9500 (78" is the major difference) which others were expecting to be around $10K.

 

[kenoh89]

Plus, I was talking about the 78JS9500 (78" is the major difference) which others were expecting to be around $10K.

Yeah, that's definitely a rip off! You could get an 85" TV like the JVC dm85uxr, or the new Samsung UN85JU7100 and still have cash left over for other things

 

[rlb]

Yeah, that's definitely a rip off! You could get an 85" TV like the JVC dm85uxr, or the new Samsung UN85JU7100 and still have cash left over for other things

That's like saying a BMW is a rip off because you can get a new Chevy and still have lots of money left over for other things. The others you cited aren't FALD, HDR capable, expanded colors, native 10 bits, etc. Even if the JVC includes some of these, it's a JVC, (still a Chevy and not a BMW).

 

[kenoh89]

That's like saying a BMW is a rip off because you can get a new Chevy and still have lots of money left over for other things. The others you cited aren't FALD, HDR capable, expanded colors, native 10 bits, etc.

Maybe not HDR capable, but the Samsung model I mentioned has 8 to 10 zones and has a 10-bit panel with expanded color. The JVC also has expanded color and 64 zones, so....

BTW, Your analogy is wrong because it's more like comparing a lesser BMW model, then to a Chevy

 

[rlb]

Maybe not HDR capable, but the Samsung model I mentioned has 8 to 10 zones and has a 10-bit panel with expanded color. The JVC also has expanded color and 64 zones, so....

BTW, Your analogy is wrong because it's more like comparing a lesser BMW model, then to a Chevy

Definitely isn't FALD; and doesn't have nano crystals, or HDR. Also, lacks the octa core processor and they don't advertise it as 10 bit (only the suhd models are advertised as native 10 bit).


Suggested MSRP for 65" 9500 is $7999. For 65" JU7100 it's less than half that amount ($3499).


Do you really think they are even close to comparable sets?


I'll agree somewhat with the analogy issue. How about comparing a Cadillac to a Chevy (they are both GM)?

 

[kenoh89]

Definitely isn't FALD; and doesn't have nano crystals, or HDR. Also, lacks the octa core processor and they don't advertise it as 10 bit (only the suhd models are advertised as native 10 bit)

Well, seeing as the UN85HU8550 had 8 dimming zones, and the JU7100 is a model that replaces it, I'm going to assume it has something similar. Not full Array, but better than nothing! As far as I can tell, the JU7100 does have a 10-bit panel with support for 4:4:4 Chroma, and the processor itself can be upgraded with the evolution kit if it's not Octo-core already. It also supports expanded color when UHD color mode is enabled.

For better clarafication, read the review as it explains in detail - http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/samsung/ju7100